Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-18 Thread seanadams
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-18 Thread alekz
egd;260094 Wrote: > They'd be even more stunning if you popped your index finger into either > nostril to change your mind... Do I understand correctly that you claim that cleaning and makinng better contacts and removing ground loops does not change the sound? -- alekz ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-18 Thread egd
alekz;259877 Wrote: > All these little tweaks (whether they work or not ;-) even not "heard" > alone could make a big difference if used together. > > Here's an example: > > o- replace not one but all stock power cables with shielded ones > o- turn the informational displays off on all devices

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread slimkid
Kurt;259973 Wrote: > Why did you just quote yourself? Is that one of the adverse effects of > jitter? > > Are you the mastermind behind this gem? > > http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm If you didn't get 'discernible difference' with those, it's only because you didn't allow enough t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread Kurt
alekz;259965 Wrote: > WOW! Cool feature! Why did you just quote yourself? Is that one of the adverse effects of jitter? -- Kurt SB2 connected to really expensive electronics, placed really close to the floor that makes it really hard to control. Am I cool or what?!

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
Dear GuyDebord, Thank you very much for your fruitful participation in the discussion. I'm glad that you have found my modest input useful. Also, I'm happy to notify you, that: o- your posts have been reported o- I have added you to the ignore list. Best regards, Alekz -- alekz -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread GuyDebord
alekz;259939 Wrote: > > To prevent our well educated visitors from posting big funny pictures > (to keep the traffic low, not that I don't like the pics), and to give > an example, I'm pasting an abstract from '\"Electrical noise generated > from the microphonic effect in capacitors\"' > (http:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
haunyack;259938 Wrote: > Spend enough time here and you will develop the myopic sense of humor > that this forum oozes. > Thanks for warning ;-D -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
opaqueice;259942 Wrote: > I have two guesses: > > 1) English is not your native language, and when you say "dump" you > mean "damp"; and > > 2) you don't know what "dump" connotes. > > > Because it's certainly true that overdumping can cause major problems > with your room, or really your who

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread opaqueice
alekz;259939 Wrote: > > The problem with dumping is that you can "overdump" a component or your > room. In this case the sound will be dull, lifeless and "closed". I have two guesses: 1) English is not your native language, and when you say "dump" you mean "damp"; and 2) you don't know what "

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
chill;259930 Wrote: > OK, but what's the mechanism that allows the ringing case to influence > the sound coming from the speakers? Or is it simply extraneous noise - > you can hear the box itself ringing some feet away from the speakers. The mechanism is easy - microphonic effect. This is why pe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread haunyack
alekz;259935 Wrote: > To be honest, I lost my sense of humour in this forum. Spend enough time here and you will develop the myopic sense of humor that this forum oozes. . -- haunyack Transporter -> Box-O-Wires (audiophile grade) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature . ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
Robin Bowes;259928 Wrote: > > It's really not a good idea to fill electronic equipment with it. > To be honest, I lost my sense of humour in this forum. Do you want me to explain that you can put sugar in a bag on top of the equipment, or was it a joke? -- alekz -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread chill
OK, but what's the mechanism that allows the ringing case to influence the sound coming from the speakers? Or is it simply extraneous noise - you can hear the box itself ringing some feet away from the speakers. -- chill

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread Robin Bowes
alekz wrote: > chill;259924 Wrote: >> - A "ringy tin can"? - do you mean that? > Yes. Unfortunately, the case does ring. Just tap it lightly with your > nail. That should not happen. I experimented with "mixing sugar" with > other devices (preamps, CD-players) but the additional weight only made

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
chill;259924 Wrote: > > - A "ringy tin can"? - do you mean that? Yes. Unfortunately, the case does ring. Just tap it lightly with your nail. That should not happen. I experimented with "mixing sugar" with other devices (preamps, CD-players) but the additional weight only made the things worse,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread chill
Alekz You've fought an honourable fight in this thread, but your sarcasm is starting to confuse me now! - "polite, well educated, experienced and open-minded visitors" - I know you don't mean that. - A "ringy tin can"? - do you mean that? -- chill

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
Yes Kurt, this is exactly what make SlimDevices forum unique among the other Hi-Fi, Hi-End audio forums: polite, well educated, experienced and open-minded visitors ;-D -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread Kurt
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
chill;259895 Wrote: > I don't read German, so I can't see why the fuses are supposed to be > better for my musical enjoyment than regular circuit breakers. > A regular automatic circuit breaker consists of a coil with a metal rod (electromagnet) and a circuit breaker. If the current exceeds 10

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread chill
OK, I'll bite. Sorry, you've lost me. I don't read German, so I can't see why the fuses are supposed to be better for my musical enjoyment than regular circuit breakers. I've also missed the need for the sugar. Care to explain? -- chill --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
If you don't mind, I would change your post into: sfraser;259760 Wrote: > If a dollar makes his music listening experience better > good for him. > All these little tweaks (whether they work or not ;-) even not "heard" alone could make a big difference if used together. Here's an example:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread sfraser
Ah let the original poster be. If a $50 dollar ethernet cable makes his music listening experience better good for him. Personally a little bit of west carleton wild wood weed loosely rolled (not tight) in zig zag papers does if for me. And it's repeatable! -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
Ralph, if you are still here. Some questions. Ralph 411;257415 Wrote: > Here are some enhancements that, taken together, make the Squeezebox a > source to be taken seriously, even in the context of a highly evolved > system (Esoteric, Tact, Edge, Martin Logan). > o- What cables do you use? o-

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-16 Thread GuyDebord
All this manly manifestations of quoted knowledge and still you cannot arrive to more USEFUL conclusions than the first modest posts. YOU JUST KEEP UP GIVING TO FORUM USERS MORE SNAKE OIL +---+ |Filename: snakeoil553.jpg

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-16 Thread alekz
SuperQ;259300 Wrote: > There are no real-world performance gains for CAT* ethernet networks > that would necessitate shielded cables. Probably in a very noisy environment or near the high current/voltage machinery. And the other example you mentioned is high-speed interconnects. The bottom line

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-16 Thread GuyDebord
All this manly manifestations of quoted knowledge and still you cannot arrive to more conclusions than the first modest posts -- GuyDebord Reference 3A Royal Master monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata 5 sub. AMP: Pathos Classic One MKIII. ANALOGUE: Michell Gyro SE, Te

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-16 Thread SuperQ
alekz;259297 Wrote: > This is not quite correct. > > "While electrical services, telecommunications equipment, and all other > low voltage systems are required to be bonded to ground per national and > local electrical codes and industry standards for safety reasons; the > specific need to groun

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-16 Thread alekz
SuperQ;259291 Wrote: > It's also completely stupid to buy shielded CAT5 cable for ethernet use. This is not quite correct. "While electrical services, telecommunications equipment, and all other low voltage systems are required to be bonded to ground per national and local electrical codes and i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-16 Thread SuperQ
m1abrams;259281 Wrote: > Ok maybe I am a bit confused, but wrapping Cat5 with foil is not going > to do a damn thing for shielding if that foil is not connected to a > ground. And as anyone who is familiar with making a cat5 cable > connection, you do not have any way to connect the shield to a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-16 Thread m1abrams
Ok maybe I am a bit confused, but wrapping Cat5 with foil is not going to do a damn thing for shielding if that foil is not connected to a ground. And as anyone who is familiar with making a cat5 cable connection, you do not have any way to connect the shield to a ground. You gif you posted even

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread Apparition
Well, I guess I see why Alekz has a point (in theory) although I have to say while I appreciate why the question is at least worth asking, I think in practice it is a non issue. However, just for grins, because the original post was extolling the merits of shielded cable, I downloaded this descri

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
GuyDebord;259106 Wrote: > Could you please focus on the questions? if you dont like the section of > this wire, please pick any shielded one you fancy. I will edit my post > above so you dont cover in the wanted misinterpretations. OK, I have edited my post above. Does it answer your question now

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread GuyDebord
alekz, who cares about all this copy pasted jargon, it doesnt answer nor defend your assumptions. Could you please focus on the questions? if you dont like the section of this wire, please pick any shielded one you fancy. I will edit my post above so you dont cover in the wanted misinterpretations

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread Kurt
kolding;259049 Wrote: > How about which disk drives sound better? Personally, I prefer the hum > of a Western Digital to the Seagate myself. I find my SATA cables impart a warm, almost tube-like quality esp. when coupled to a Western Digital. -- Kurt SB2 connected to really expensive el

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
You picture is an example of the 150 ohm twisted pair cabling defined by the IBM Cabling System specifications for use with Token-Ring networks. The twisted pairs in 150 ohm STP are individually wrapped in a foil shield and enclosed in an overall outer braided wire shield. The shielding is designe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread GuyDebord
Ok Alekz, your incredible stubbornness makes me want to jump back again. The attached image is a section of a typical shielded ethernet cable, GIGA-STAR Cat. 6 4x(2x23 AWG) U/FTP Data cable. Can you please explain me how the jacks (connectors) on both ends connect to the ground you discussed befo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
Phil Leigh;258989 Wrote: > Fair enough. > The Transporter has a pretty hefty supply. I doubt it will be troubled > by the extra draw of the wi-fi card. > How hefty is hefty? The Transporter's rear panel says 10W. A wireless card can draw up to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (full transmit) or 330mA (full re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread kolding
amcluesent;257577 Wrote: > >Utter rubbish.< > > Best not open the debate on whether a Linux or Windows hosted > slimserver sounds better then...:) How about which disk drives sound better? Personally, I prefer the hum of a Western Digital to the Seagate myself. -- kolding --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread Phil Leigh
alekz;258982 Wrote: > I don't mean your electricity bill :-), but the Transporter power > supply. > > > I haven't measured the RFI, but logically thinking, can a source of a > very high frequency located IN the unit and very close to the other > audio equipment (the aerial) positively affect t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread andy_c
Alekz, I just dragged my spare computer over here next to my main one and connected it to the main computer by only a CAT-5e ethernet cable I got from Home Depot. I didn't plug the power cord of the spare computer in, so its chassis was not connected to earth ground. The resistance between the t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
Phil Leigh;258976 Wrote: > I understand the extra power consumption point...although my system is > already capable of drawing 3Kw at full volume so a few watts are > neither here or there. > I don't mean your electricity bill :-), but the Transporter power supply. Phil Leigh;258976 Wrote: >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread Phil Leigh
alekz;258961 Wrote: > Yes > > > > True, but wireless has its own drawbacks. From RFI to extra power > consumption. I removed the wireless card immediately after the unit had > arrived. I understand the extra power consumption point...although my system is already capable of drawing 3Kw at ful

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
Phil Leigh;258959 Wrote: > Ah - so the ethernet shield is connected to the ground plane within the > SB - you tested with the other end of the ethernet unplugged? > Yes Phil Leigh;258959 Wrote: > > In that case I have to agree - there is a theoretical potential for > ground issues in some sy

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread Phil Leigh
Ah - so the ethernet shield is connected to the ground plane within the SB - you tested with the other end of the ethernet unplugged? In that case I have to agree - there is a theoretical potential for ground issues in some systems. Of course - this wouldn't happen with a wireless connection...

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread Phil Leigh
alekz;258924 Wrote: > Exactly! > > The shielded Ethernet cable will create that second path, because the > shield is directly connected to the equipment cases on both ends. > > If you agree with that, then you should agree that using shielded > Ethernet cable vs unshielded may "sound" different

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
Phil Leigh;258922 Wrote: > You may get ground loops or stray currents between the ground paths... Exactly! The shielded Ethernet cable will create that second path, because the shield is directly connected to the equipment cases on both ends. If you agree with that, then you should agree that u

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread Phil Leigh
alekz;258921 Wrote: > OK, step by step... > > What happens if your audio equipment has two connections to the ground > via different paths and of different length? You may get ground loops or stray currents between the ground paths... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
GuyDebord;258916 Wrote: > Alekz, Im sorry to be so rude OK, step by step... What happens if your audio equipment has two connections to the ground via different paths and of different length? -- alekz alekz's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread GuyDebord
cliveb;258847 Wrote: > Considering the Transporter's stunningly low noise floor, I'd hazard a > guess that the reason it's not done "properly" is more likely because > it's not needed. Aleks, Im sorry to be so rude but I dont think you have a clue of what your saying, you are not impressing anyo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
cliveb;258847 Wrote: > Considering the Transporter's stunningly low noise floor, I'd hazard a > guess that the reason it's not done "properly" is more likely because > it's not needed. OK, saying "not properly" is probably, indeed, not quite adequate, buy taking the fact that the Klimax sounds a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread cliveb
alekz;258817 Wrote: > Good electrical shielding between the components does help, however it's > not done properly in the Transporter for the obvious reason - to to keep > the price down. Considering the Transporter's stunningly low noise floor, I'd hazard a guess that the reason it's not done "p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
Robin Bowes;258701 Wrote: > alekz wrote:[color=blue] > The point you seem to fail to grasp is that, for ethernet, it doesn't > matter whether the S/N is 80 or 85dB - as long as the packets can be > transmitted and received accurately. It simply doesn't matter. Period. Would you be so kind to re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread alekz
andy_c;258686 Wrote: > alekz, ethernet interfaces are transformer coupled, so you get galvanic > isolation between the devices on the network = no added ground loops. Yes, this is what I said earlier: alekz Wrote: > > o- a fiber cable "sounds" better than a copper one. Despite the > transform

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-15 Thread Robin Bowes
egd wrote: > Robin Bowes;258701 Wrote: >> alexz, >> >> The point you seem to fail to grasp is that... > > Robin, it's pointless entering into a battle of wits with an unarmed > man... Heh, I had already come to that conclusion. R. ___ audiophiles ma

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread egd
Robin Bowes;258701 Wrote: > alexz, > > The point you seem to fail to grasp is that... Robin, it's pointless entering into a battle of wits with an unarmed man... -- egd Thecus N5200PRO >> Transporter >> ATC SCA2 >> ATC SCM100SLAT -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Bowes
alekz wrote: > Yes, it all began with cables. But my point was that the analogies do > not always work. In a $1M DB server you do not care if the S/N is 80 or > 85dB. But in the high-end audio 85dB is not a good ratio. And you are > trying to squeeze extra decibels out of everything. alexz, The p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread andy_c
alekz, ethernet interfaces are transformer coupled, so you get galvanic isolation between the devices on the network = no ground loops. -- andy_c andy_c's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3128 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread alekz
Yes, it all began with cables. But my point was that the analogies do not always work. In a $1M DB server you do not care if the S/N is 80 or 85dB. But in the high-end audio 85dB is not a good ratio. And you are trying to squeeze extra decibels out of everything. -- alekz --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread Apparition
alekz;258661 Wrote: > You are talking digital again. OK, if you like the data centers, let's > use them as an example. > > What sound will you get if you use one of the 750W power supplies > taken from a $1M server in a 250W amplifier? Or a preamp? > > Havent got a clue. :) > > Do you use sp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread alekz
Apparition;258651 Wrote: > And in a data centre, it would likely be surrounded by 100 other > ethernet cables. So I understand what you are saying, I just don't buy > it. And I understand you are driving at an impact on the signal once it > becomes analog, but heck, memory is switched by an elect

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread Apparition
alekz;258639 Wrote: > Apparition, you misunderstood my post. I'm not talking about digital > domain. I'm talking about cables introducing ground loops and noise > into the analogue signal via RFI, shared ground, etc. No, I got you, I just don't believe it. Not even remotely. :) For all the reaso

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread alekz
Apparition, you misunderstood my post. I'm not talking about digital domain. I'm talking about cables introducing ground loops and noise into the analogue signal via RFI, shared ground, etc. -- alekz alekz's Profile: http:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread mvalera
harmonic;258382 Wrote: > Enyone that spends there time posting and reading on hifi forums are > more or less infected with audiophila. > > > Some beleive in cables,mods,tweaks,or Linn and some only beleive in > adam slim and that enything else is a wast of time. > > But all still audiop

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread Apparition
alekz;258577 Wrote: > > Properly broken-in LSD might work better then Shiraz. You don't even > need the cables. > > > > > I wonder if: > o- a shielded ethernet cable can create ground loops. > o- a fiber cable "sounds" better than a copper one. Despite the > transformer coupling and differe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread alekz
Properly broken-in LSD might work better then Shiraz. You don't even need the cables. I wonder if: o- a shielded ethernet cable can create ground loops. o- a fiber cable "sounds" better than a copper one. Despite the transformer coupling and differential schemes the "copper" brings noise dir

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Bowes
opaqueice wrote: > Robin Bowes;258412 Wrote: >> A question: if I send you two copies of the same CD, one in a blue >> envelope and the other in a yellow padded envelope, which one will >> sound >> better? >> >> The answer is, of course, that as long as the CD makes it to you >> through >> the p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread opaqueice
Robin Bowes;258412 Wrote: > > A question: if I send you two copies of the same CD, one in a blue > envelope and the other in a yellow padded envelope, which one will > sound > better? > > The answer is, of course, that as long as the CD makes it to you > through > the postal system undamaged

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread funkstar
morris_minor;258417 Wrote: > A nice Aussie Shiraz works wonders with my gear . . . A good Islay malt whisky. Or some Gin :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread haunyack
morris_minor;258417 Wrote: > A nice Aussie Shiraz works wonders with my gear . . . For me it's Deschutes Mirror Pond Pale Ale. The highs are higher. . -- haunyack Transporter -> Box-O-Wires (audiophile grade) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature . ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread morris_minor
A nice Aussie Shiraz works wonders with my gear . . . -- morris_minor morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 __

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread gw43
SuperQ;258380 Wrote: > > > You know what makes the best difference for sound in my audio system? > My vacuum cleaner. I can understand that! For me, it's cupping my hands behind my ears. It gives a massive improvement. Makes me look a bit of a prat though... -- gw43

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Bowes
harmonic wrote: > Enyone that spends there time posting and reading on hifi forums are > more or less infected with audiophila. > > Some beleive in cables,mods,tweaks,or Linn and some only beleive in > adam slim and that enything else is a wast of time. The thing is, *some* of this stuff is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread morris_minor
Rub yourself liberally with snake oil and bow down before the great gods of exotic gear with stratospheric price tags. Do this enough times and any commonsense you may have had flies out the window, along with all sense of proportion . . . :o/ Seriously tho' - the sad thing is how many people g

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread harmonic
Enyone that spends there time posting and reading on hifi forums are more or less infected with audiophila. Some beleive in cables,mods,tweaks,or Linn and some only beleive in adam slim and that enything else is a wast of time. But all still audiophils none the less. The irony is many o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread SuperQ
morris_minor;258361 Wrote: > Is audiophilia a communicable disease? Or a psychological condition? It's a condition that can be solved with implants of science and logic, or the more traditional method of electro-shock therapy. So many times I see posts like the original poster in this thread an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread morris_minor
Is audiophilia a communicable disease? Or a psychological condition? -- morris_minor morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-14 Thread funkstar
haunyack;258224 Wrote: > Telefunkens are very rolled off in the highs. Don't you just hate it when that happens? Those damned Telefunkens! -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-13 Thread haunyack
Eric Seaberg;258216 Wrote: > Preach it, Preacha!! Is it time to speak in tongues yet? The valves do have some remoteness. The immediacy and presence The highs are a bit sweeter The lows are incredibly lush and defined The midrange has lost most of its focus Hateful tizzyness in the top end

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-13 Thread Eric Seaberg
Preach it, Preacha!! -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-13 Thread funkstar
wr420;258180 Wrote: > Can I get an Amen?! Amen!! :D -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-13 Thread wr420
seanadams;258150 Wrote: > There you go... fixed that for ya. :) Can I get an Amen?! -- wr420 wr420's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1040 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthre

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-13 Thread seanadams
Ralph 411;258142 Wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Each modification I outlined has been tried and retained for only one > reason: *I am imagining* it sounds better! > > Some would say many things we take for granted in high-end audio don't > work, can't work, or may even be harmful (for example, int

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-13 Thread Ralph 411
Dear Friends, Each modification I outlined has been tried and retained for only one reason: it sounds better! Some would say many things we take for granted in high-end audio don't work, can't work, or may even be harmful (for example, interconnect, power cords, and isolation). In the last ana

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread seanadams
GuyDebord;257668 Wrote: > > SO I GUESS YOU ARE RIGHT BUT ALSO WRONG: NOT ALL CAT 5 OR CAT 6 CABLES > ARE SHIELDED, BUT IM SURE THE CAT 6 I RECENTLY INSTALLED IS, SORRY FOR > THE GENERALIZATION. Actually, the overwhelming majority of CAT6 is unshielded too. -- seanadams --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread GuyDebord
cliveb;257645 Wrote: > CAT5 cable is NOT shielded. My entire house is wired up with CAT5e, and > I ran the cable and made all the RJ45 connections myself, so I think I > would have noticed if there had been a shield. (I've never used CAT6, > but I would imagine that it too is unshielded). > > NB

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread Phil Leigh
:o) I know - I work for a very large bank... And we use Rubidium master clocks to ensure accurate timestamping...I can feel a mod coming on... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/U

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread cliveb
GuyDebord;257620 Wrote: > Any CAT 5 or 6 ethernet cable is super shielded... CAT5 cable is NOT shielded. My entire house is wired up with CAT5e, and I ran the cable and made all the RJ45 connections myself, so I think I would have noticed if there had been a shield. (I've never used CAT6, but I w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread Apparition
GuyDebord;257620 Wrote: > Any CAT 5 or 6 ethernet cable is super shielded, its standard is made > for critical networks with runs in the hundreds of feet and where > critical data with serious bandwidth is passing through (unlike music), > audible RF/EMI would be a joke. If this is the case, then

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread GuyDebord
Phil Leigh;257621 Wrote: > Oh God...never, ever forget the smiley face :-) ... -- GuyDebord Reference 3A Royal Master monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata 5 sub. AMP: Pathos Classic One MKIII. ANALOGUE: Michell Gyro SE, Technoarm & Lyra Helikon SL car

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread Phil Leigh
Oh God...never, ever forget the smiley face -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)-

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread GuyDebord
Phil Leigh;257580 Wrote: > Rats - you mean those sorbothane feet under my server are not helping? > > There is one possibility (which should be measurable) - RF/EMI could > leak from the ethernet cables into the Hi-Fi...but it's very low > level... Any CAT 5 or 6 ethernet cable is super shiel

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread amcluesent
>Utter rubbish.< Best not open the debate on whether a Linux or Windows hosted slimserver sounds better then...:) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread Robin Bowes
Ralph 411 wrote: >  A quad-shielded home-run DSL line – improvement in > connectivity, detail, and dimensionality. >  High-quality Ethernet cable (Audioquest) from router to SB3 – > a faster connection with further improvements in detail. Utter rubbish. There is no way on earth that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread zanash
I'll second that from my experience -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthrea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-12 Thread GuyDebord
Pardon Ralph, but I cannot believe in your ethernet tweaks, the digital signal that gets transmitted via ethernet is at SECTOR LEVEL, 1's and 0's by sectors (data blocks), nothing more and nothing else. Its not an analogue signal yet nor a single digital stream, therefore the only purpose the cabl

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!

2008-01-11 Thread Ralph 411
Here are some enhancements that, taken together, make the Squeezebox a source to be taken seriously, even in the context of a highly evolved system (Esoteric, Tact, Edge, Martin Logan). Improvements to date include: Aberdeen power supply and cable – dramatic decrease in hash and improve