richardw;533955 Wrote:
have any of you listened to the mit oracle ma-x digital cable? if not,
how could you possibly know how it sounds?!
If your wires are making noise, there's -definitely- something going
on!
Mice, maybe?
--
opaqueice
I have a Transporter and love it. I recommend buying a Transporter.
Then buy a Duet or a Touch or an iPod Touch to control it. You'll love
it. Use the DAC in it for other sources with your MIT cable. Win-Win.
--
Celeritas
What can't be controlled with the remote that comes with the
Transporter?
--
dminches
Modwright Platinum Signature Truth modified Transporter Modwright SWL
9.0 SE Aragon 8008BB Vandersteen 3A Sigs w/ Vandersteen WQ (2 channel
system)
dminches;540684 Wrote:
What can't be controlled with the remote that comes with the
Transporter?
It is not that the Transporter can't be controlled with its included
remote but rather the ease of the control. I've got a Duet controller
and selecting music and building a playlist for the
CFoote;530908 Wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I finally entered the digital world last year. I'm an avid Squeezebox
fan, and have a Duet setup for my stereo. It's great and I love it.
My system consists of Krell electronics and BW 802 speakers. It's all
good quality, fairly high end stuff.
I'm
michael123,did the end result justify the means?...in a better
Transporter and in what way would you describe it compared to my
original TP?.
dennis
michael123;534763 Wrote:
If you're OK with the 96/24 limitation and Squeezebox Software,
Transporter is the perfect *transport* you
dennis55;534773 Wrote:
michael123,did the end result justify the means?...in a better
Transporter and in what way would you describe it compared to my
original TP?.
dennis
I think it is not better but just better :-)
--
michael123
richardw;533736 Wrote:
to my ears there is a significant difference, for the better, in the
digital outputs of the transporter vs sbx. i think there are many
reasons for this, some being indirect like the ability to use upgraded
power cords with the transporter, but just the power supplies
chesterdad;534095 Wrote:
I immediately noticed the difference in my system with the Transporter
and bass response using the digital outs vs the SB3. I can't tell you
the reason, but I was expecting no change in this, but was stunned that
I could hear much better bass clarity and tightness.
Phil Leigh;534121 Wrote:
The TP has somewhat less jitter than the SB3 and if you have a
jitter-sensitive DAC...
But the jitter of the SB3 output is already pretty low - very probably
beneath the threshold of audibility. Jitter gets trotted out as the
explanation for everything these days, and
cliveb;534165 Wrote:
But the jitter of the SB3 output is already pretty low - very probably
beneath the threshold of audibility. Jitter gets trotted out as the
explanation for everything these days, and I just don't buy it.
It seems much more likely that things like grounding issues and/or
audiomuze;534079 Wrote:
If it's backed by science I'm all for it, otherwise the differences are
between the ears...
this is a broad statement and in a way you are supporting my own
position. this is the very reason i use mit cables and am hesitant to
use most of the other cable manufacturers.
On 13/04/10 13:42, richardw wrote:
audiomuze;534079 Wrote:
If it's backed by science I'm all for it, otherwise the differences are
between the ears...
this is a broad statement and in a way you are supporting my own
position.
So you agree that the differences you are hearing are
no, i do not think the differences are psychological but i do think your
position is rooted in more of an emotional response than scientific.
blinded by science?? not even sure what you mean by that but i was
trying to convey that if you think you understand it all you are vastly
mistaken.
and
On 13/04/10 14:06, richardw wrote:
no, i do not think the differences are psychological but i do think your
position is rooted in more of an emotional response than scientific.
Out of interest, what do you think my position is? I have an audio
background - B.Eng(Hons) Electroacoustics, worked
Robin Bowes;534242 Wrote:
Do *not* under-estimate the suggestive powers of your grey-matter.
R.
Two fascinating books on the subject:
1. A Mind Of Its Own by Cordelia Fine
2. The Hidden Brain by Shankar Vedantam
Both offer excellent insight in to the subconscious and background
i read your position as seeing my reaction to the changes i hear from my
cable as primarily placebo or the result of some deficiency in the
design of the dac. i also read that you believe the spdif interface
should sound better than the aes3 interface. the other side of your
position seems to be
richardw wrote:
sorry you struggle reading my lack of interest in the shift key.
I share Robin's view that your words would be easier to read if you took
a nanosecond to use proper capitalization. But then, perhaps you are not
really interested in communicating.
--
Pat Farrell
Without getting into details I agree with Robin and Phil:
1st, if an AES/EBU cable (MIT or whatever, I have already tried the
MIT) sounds *significantly* better than a properly-constructed coax
S/PDIF, then there is something going wrong somewhere in your setup.
And I can't say neither what nor
Themis;534272 Wrote:
Without getting into details I agree with Robin and Phil:
1st, if an AES/EBU cable (MIT or whatever, I have already tried the
MIT) sounds *significantly* better than a properly-constructed coax
S/PDIF, then there is something going wrong somewhere in your setup.
And I
For the avoidance of any doubt, my position is that I am extremely
sceptical about miracle cables or pens or stands that make a system
sound hugely better at a price far above that of their constituent parts.
I am not suggesting that all cables are the same, or that cables don't
make any
Robin Bowes;534281 Wrote:
For the avoidance of any doubt, my position is that I am extremely
sceptical about miracle cables or pens or stands that make a system
sound hugely better at a price far above that of their constituent
parts.
I am not suggesting that all cables are the same, or
Perfect reproduction, Pat - I can hear it from here - of the sound a nail makes
when whacked squarely on the head. And not just in communicating. Of, course,
it might merely indicate an unhealthy preoccupation with, and corresponding
self-referential delusions concerning, the life and works of
to my ears there is a significant difference, for the better, in the
digital outputs of the transporter vs sbx. i think there are many
reasons for this, some being indirect like the ability to use upgraded
power cords with the transporter, but just the power supplies and
better quality parts
richardw;533736 Wrote:
... but i am extremely confident in my ability to hear changes in my
system.
That's the problem - we all are :-)
I think you would find the Touch an interesting listen
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd
phil the issue for me with the touch is the need for aes3. it's a better
interface for my dac and i have also invested in a cable i want to stay
with. i am interested in giving it a listen though after all the solid
reports from beta testers.
--
richardw
richardw;533769 Wrote:
phil the issue for me with the touch is the need for aes3. it's a better
interface for my dac and i have also invested in a cable i want to stay
with. i am interested in giving it a listen though after all the solid
reports from beta testers.
That's kind of
On 12/04/10 17:06, richardw wrote:
phil the issue for me with the touch is the need for aes3. it's a better
interface for my dac and i have also invested in a cable i want to stay
with. i am interested in giving it a listen though after all the solid
reports from beta testers.
Let me get
i hear you phil and i have had this discussion before here but the
designers of my dac, whom i have huge respect for, highly recommended
using that interface. i have heard both sides of this on many forums! i
decided to just go with what they suggested. i do not hear a huge
difference but it's
i hear you phil and i have had this discussion before here but the
designers of my dac, whom i have huge respect for, highly recommended
using that interface. i have heard both sides of this on many forums! i
decided to just go with what they suggested. i do not hear a huge
difference but it's
Robin Bowes;533863 Wrote:
On 12/04/10 17:06, richardw wrote:
phil the issue for me with the touch is the need for aes3. it's a
better
interface for my dac and i have also invested in a cable i want to
stay
with. i am interested in giving it a listen though after all the
solid
On 12/04/10 20:41, richardw wrote:
Robin Bowes;533863 Wrote:
Out of interest, how much have you invested ?
R.
plenty and worth every cent. the cable is equivalent to a car priced
equipment change. this is not a subtle issue.
Hmmm. If changing a cable made *that* much difference in my
Robin Bowes;533874 Wrote:
On 12/04/10 20:41, richardw wrote:
Robin Bowes;533863 Wrote:
Out of interest, how much have you invested ?
R.
plenty and worth every cent. the cable is equivalent to a car priced
equipment change. this is not a subtle issue.
Hmmm. If changing a
On 12/04/10 20:56, richardw wrote:
Robin Bowes;533874 Wrote:
What DAC are you using?
R.
berkeley alpha dac. you apparently do not believe cables can make that
sort of an impact?
No, I don't.
I think cables can have *some* impact, but not equivalent to a car
priced equipment change.
robin what is it that would be wrong? i actually agree with you in most
cases but there are some cable designs that can have a profound impact.
it's really a tricky issue because many do more harm than good. i spent
months listening to digital cables before i found this one (mit oracle
ma-x).
robin what is it that would be wrong? i actually agree with you in most
cases but there are some cable designs that can have a profound impact.
it's really a tricky issue because many do more harm than good. i spent
months listening to digital cables before i found this one (mit oracle
ma-x).
richardw;533879 Wrote:
you apparently do not believe cables can make that sort of an impact?
You'd do well to read:
http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm
http://sound.westhost.com/cablewhitepaper.htm
and
http://sound.westhost.com/cable-z.htm
--
audiomuze
IF YOU WANT CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR
you'd do well to listen to something before you comment on it.
--
richardw
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:)
richardw;533903 Wrote:
you'd do well to listen to something before you comment on it.
This is not to say that some people will not derive great enjoyment
from the fact that they have spent as much on their cables as mere
mortals can afford for their whole system, but this is enjoyment, and
audiomuze;533912 Wrote:
:)
This is not to say that some people will not derive great enjoyment
from the fact that they have spent as much on their cables as mere
mortals can afford for their whole system, but this is enjoyment, and
has nothing to do with sound quality. This is about
audiomuze;533912 Wrote:
:)
This is not to say that some people will not derive great enjoyment
from the fact that they have spent as much on their cables as mere
mortals can afford for their whole system, but this is enjoyment, and
has nothing to do with sound quality. This is about
Oh my, now we're having fun. ;-)
Brings to mind one of my favorite quotes:
Well, sir, it's this rug I have. It really tied the room together. (The
Dude in The Big Lebowski)
--
garym
garym's Profile:
garym;533917 Wrote:
Oh my, now we're having fun. ;-)
Brings to mind one of my favorite quotes:
Well, sir, it's this rug I have. It really tied the room together. (The
Dude in The Big Lebowski)
sweet! the dude is one of the all time great characters...maybe thats
part of my
richardw;533918 Wrote:
sweet! the dude is one of the all time great characters...maybe thats
part of my problem...another white russian please.
Now we're talkin'... With enough white russians, I can't tell the
difference between my Transporter through my home system vs the AM
radio in my
garym;533919 Wrote:
now we're talkin'... With enough white russians, i can't tell the
difference between my transporter through my home system vs the am
radio in my 1996 honda... hmm, but if you changed speaker leads you surely
could, despite the
white russians :)
--
audiomuze
IF YOU
Richard,
I would to reinforce Phil's earlier comments. I recall from my BBC days
that the AES / EBU spec was all about driving long lengths (100M plus)
of cheapo balanced audio lead with digital audio. This was primarily a
cost saving measure, and allowed a studio to use existing audio patch
On 12/04/10 21:28, richardw wrote:
robin what is it that would be wrong? i actually agree with you in most
cases but there are some cable designs that can have a profound impact.
it's really a tricky issue because many do more harm than good. i spent
months listening to digital cables before
Andy8421;533925 Wrote:
Richard,
I would to reinforce Phil's earlier comments. I recall from my BBC days
that the AES / EBU spec was all about driving long lengths (100M plus)
of cheapo balanced audio lead with digital audio. This was primarily a
cost saving measure, and allowed a studio
Phil Leigh;533938 Wrote:
Anyway, if Richard likes his cable+dac then that's all that matters.
It's his ears/brain and his money. Quite right, if I spent $35k on wire you'd
better be damned sure I'd
hear the difference too...
--
audiomuze
'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the
garym;533917 Wrote:
Well, sir, it's this rug I have. It really tied the room together. (The
Dude in The Big Lebowski)
The Dude abides...
--
fphredd
fphredd's Profile:
you guys are unreal! i am always a bit leery of forum posters who take
such strong positions on things they have never heard. certainly
suggests there are other things going on below the surface...
have any of you listened to the mit oracle ma-x digital cable? if not,
how could you possibly know
garym;533919 Wrote:
Now we're talkin'... With enough white russians, I can't tell the
difference between my Transporter through my home system vs the AM
radio in my 1996 Honda...
Makes the Ceedance sound better too... :)
--
Gazjam
richardw;533955 Wrote:
phil i appreciate the words of support...i do in fact like the sound of
my dac/cables/transporter and went to great lengths to assure i had a
combination i was satisfied with. !
As I said (and I ABSOLUTELY meant it) - if you are happy, then you are
happy. What anyone
phil i absolutely knew you meant it and the thanks was sincere as well!
always appreciate your posts and back to the original thought i am
actually very curious to give the touch a listen. i don't see it as a
solution for me but you never know!
--
richardw
On 12/04/10 23:00, richardw wrote:
you guys are unreal! i am always a bit leery of forum posters who take
such strong positions on things they have never heard. certainly
suggests there are other things going on below the surface...
have any of you listened to the mit oracle ma-x digital
i have tried other, inexpensive bnc cables and actually have one here by
straightwire. i think it was more than the buejeans but same relative
range. the only thing i can say is the cable does make a significant
difference and if you have the opportunity to give it a listen you
would probably
richardw;534013 Wrote:
i think there are many things about this hobby that are not black and
white and the oddest of things can make a difference. i stopped trying
to understand why and how years ago and now i just listen. it's even
worse now that computer audio is becoming important as what
Rodney_Gold;530975 Wrote:
Essentially , you would be buying the transporter for its DAC - why not
just buy a DAC you like the sound of and use the SB or buy yourself a
Touch (whenever it comes out)
Because you would get more jitter because the spdif doesn't have as
good a clock resolution?
There is no audible difference of a SB vs TP via their respective SPDIF
outs , I have tested this extensively into various dacs and into my DSP
speakers.
The touch is supposed to be on par or close with the TP re its Jitter
figures. I think it's a waste to buy a TP merely as front end to a DAC
Rodney_Gold;531191 Wrote:
There is no audible difference of a SB vs TP via their respective SPDIF
outs , I have tested this extensively into various dacs and into my DSP
speakers.
The touch is supposed to be on par or close with the TP re its Jitter
figures. I think it's a waste to buy a
Hi Everyone,
I finally entered the digital world last year. I'm an avid Squeezebox
fan, and have a Duet setup for my stereo. It's great and I love it.
My system consists of Krell electronics and BW 802 speakers. It's all
good quality, fairly high end stuff.
I'm currently using a regular
The displays are EOL. The Transporter is still available but I would say
that once all the parts already purchased are used to build Transporters
and then that stock is gone there will be no more Transporters. Its a
niche product and Logitech doesn't seem to be in the niche business.
As to
Essentially , you would be buying the transporter for its DAC - why not
just buy a DAC you like the sound of and use the SB or buy yourself a
Touch (whenever it comes out)
--
Rodney_Gold
Sb3/Z-sys RDP1/meridian DSP5500's
TP/X-cans v3/Senns 650's
TP/SCM 50a's
SB3/Meridian DSP5000's
TP/PS audio
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