Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-05-02 Thread Kuja
Helloharry;627862 Wrote: > Kuja, was your friend using touch as transport for both 840c and naim > dac? No he's not using Touch. He is using M2Tech Evo USB to SPDIF converter. I'm using Touch with my Naim DAC. Anyway, we also tested 840c in my system and I know how it sounds. Naim DAC is more

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-27 Thread darrenyeats
Helloharry;627802 Wrote: > Guidof, soundcheck, phil, and others.. > > Thanks so much for all of your advises and sharing of experiences, e > consensus seems to be that, most of you are doubtful that upgrading the > dac do much especially from investment return angle. However at this > stage i am

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-27 Thread Helloharry
Kuja;627860 Wrote: > A friend of mine went from 840C to Naim DAC. > > He felt that it was a significant upgrade. > > Actually, we both upgraded our digital setups to nDACs at the same > time. Kuja, was your friend using touch as transport for both 840c and naim dac? -- Helloharry --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-27 Thread Kuja
A friend of mine went from 840C to Naim DAC. He felt that it was a significant upgrade. Actually, we both upgraded our digital setups to nDACs at the same time. -- Kuja Kuja's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/membe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread Helloharry
Guidof, soundcheck, phil, and others.. Thanks so much for all of your advises and sharing of experiences, e consensus seems to be that, most of you are doubtful that upgrading the dac do much especially from investment return angle. However at this stage i am quite happy with my amp/spk combo and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;627683 Wrote: > Well done. I would probably try to follow your example but i am hung up > on the thought that surely MF will incorporate the V link sooner or > later. > As regards modifying the Touch I had it done by Fidelity audio who > changed the clock but not the switchmode regulators

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;627680 Wrote: > Well, lets see: > the old stack was about £900 ( I bought it all new) > The mods were ~£600 all-in > > I sold this setup for ~£750 in total on eBay (including a cable I no > longer need between DAC and X10) > > The M1 was £400 > The M1 mods are £300 > > I will be up

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;627679 Wrote: > Quite impressive though bearing in mind that there is presumably some > scope for improvement by applying the same mods Audiocom did to the > X-Dac.(and the total cost of the previous 3-pack, even before mods, > must be way less than the M1) Well, lets see: the old stack

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;627677 Wrote: > I marginally prefer it (or maybe I have just convinced myself?) - but > they are very similar. To be honest the differences are subtle at > best. > > I'm not sure I can even quantify it in terms of "veils lifting", > "blacker blacks" etc... :-). It just sounds very nic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;627670 Wrote: > As a matter of interest what conclusion have you reached about the M1 > DAC (presumably still unmodified) against your modded XDACv3/ XPSU/ > x10D? I marginally prefer it (or maybe I have just convinced myself?) - but they are very similar. To be honest the differences ar

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;627640 Wrote: > Our definition of "reasonable quality" for speakers may be different > :-) > > For example, I will never use speakers with passive crossovers... they > just suck the life out of the music compared to a (good) active > configuration. > > For sure every part of the syst

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;627640 Wrote: > Our definition of "reasonable quality" for speakers may be different > :-) > > For example, I will never use speakers with passive crossovers... they > just suck the life out of the music compared to a (good) active > configuration. > > For sure every part of the syst

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;627622 Wrote: > Just 80%!?!? My DAC or amp is not making any sounds. I hear 100% coming > from my speakers. ;) > > > My 2 cents: > > Every single part plays a major role in a pretty complex audio system. > Meanwhile I consider the source more important than the speaker > (assumin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread soundcheck
Robin Bowes;627629 Wrote: > On 26/04/11 09:16, soundcheck wrote: > > > I'm running a 250$ full-digital DIY amp nowadays > > Hey, I'm interested in that. Got any links, etc? > > R. > -- > "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes > http://www.theshackshakers.com/ DIY dev

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread Robin Bowes
On 26/04/11 09:16, soundcheck wrote: > I'm running a 250$ full-digital DIY amp nowadays Hey, I'm interested in that. Got any links, etc? R. -- "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ ___ audiophil

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-26 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;627543 Wrote: > > 80% of what you hear is the speakers. Spend lots on speakers... Just 80%!?!? My DAC or amp is not making any sounds. I hear 100% coming from my speakers. ;) My 2 cents: Every single part plays a major role in a pretty complex audio system. Meanwhile I consider

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-25 Thread Phil Leigh
Helloharry;626586 Wrote: > Would my next 3000-5000usd upgrade give me the same magnitude of > mprovement? Any comment? In a word, no. Diminishing returns kick-in quite early. 80% of what you hear is the speakers. Spend lots on speakers... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-24 Thread guidof
Helloharry;626222 Wrote: > Daverz, 840c is a pretty nice sounding dac, except that the soundstage > is pretty forward "in my face" as i am listening in a near field setup > in small room (could be other part of the chain but i am happy with the > amp/spkr combo), the stereo images are bit oversiz

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-19 Thread Helloharry
I came across a number direct online sellng dacs, brands like wyred4sound, neko (daverz using), twisted pair (soundcheck using), any other users can comment on the qualities of these dacs compare to dac part of 840c or stello cpa500? Especially of course to use with a moded touch. Cheers. -- He

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-19 Thread Helloharry
Garym, thanks for the input, you are exactly right, worst is you spend the $$$ and there is no improvement is sonic quality. Daverz, yes, tube rolling can improve/change the sound and i have in stock nos mullards el34, kt66 n 77 goldlion, 350b reissue by valve art and russian 6p3e which is on my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-18 Thread Daverz
Helloharry;626222 Wrote: > Daverz, 840c is a pretty nice sounding dac, except that the soundstage > is pretty forward "in my face" as i am listening in a near field setup > in small room (could be other part of the chain but i am happy with the > amp/spkr combo), the stereo images are bit oversiz

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-18 Thread garym
Helloharry;626222 Wrote: > Daverz, 840c is a pretty nice sounding dac, except that the soundstage > is pretty forward "in my face" as i am listening in a near field setup > in small room (could be other part of the chain but i am happy with the > amp/spkr combo), the stereo images are bit oversiz

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-18 Thread Helloharry
Daverz, 840c is a pretty nice sounding dac, except that the soundstage is pretty forward "in my face" as i am listening in a near field setup in small room (could be other part of the chain but i am happy with the amp/spkr combo), the stereo images are bit oversized. I am hoping th imaging to be m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-18 Thread Daverz
What don't you like about the DAC in the 840C? -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 _

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-18 Thread garym
Helloharry;626122 Wrote: > Garym, > > You mean i should get the transporter as transport and replace my dac > to a higher quality one? How much sonic difference comparing a modded > touch to a transporter? Thanks. > > Rgro, > > Thanks for the comment re rega dac. No, I mean get the transporte

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-17 Thread JezA
I imagine the Klimax owners will sell their 'spare' Klimax through ebay or the normal channels. The upgrade isn't out yet, so that's why you won't have seen any. imo buy a Transporter to use as a transport to another DAC is misguided as well as wasteful. Either the Transporter is good enough (for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-17 Thread Helloharry
Garym, You mean i should get the transporter as transport and replace my dac to a higher quality one? How much sonic difference comparing a modded touch to a transporter? Thanks. Rgro, Thanks for the comment re rega dac. -- Helloharry -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-17 Thread rgro
I'll put in my .02 for: Touch > Rega Dac controlled by iPad/iPeng. Big bang for the buck. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet > Vortexbox > Touch (wired) via spdif coax > Rega DAC > Marantz PM8003 > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustics R305. Home T

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-17 Thread garym
Helloharry;626118 Wrote: > Jeza, thanks for the news. I checked the linn forum - you mean some of > the klimax owner might sell to upgrade? Wold u know where online would > they sell? Dont see anything on audiogon. Anyhow, if i buy a akurate > ds, would it put my system to another level? I read s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-17 Thread Helloharry
Jeza, thanks for the news. I checked the linn forum - you mean some of the klimax owner might sell to upgrade? Wold u know where online would they sell? Dont see anything on audiogon. Anyhow, if i buy a akurate ds, would it put my system to another level? I read some poor comment about its interfa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c

2011-04-17 Thread JezA
A Linn Akurate or Majik seems to me the most logical way to go - checkout the Linn Forum - they have announced an upgrade to the Klimax DS which includes putting the old Klimax DS board in a new box, which some owners are planning to sell on for quite modest (ie less than Akurate DS) prices. --