All
There ARE more than 3 ADs for IS28s. You need to be careful how you look for
them !
Some are filed under "IS-28" (rather than "IS28") - another 9 in fact,
including AD 374 "Fatigue Life Limits" which I think is the one that explains
the trade-off between aerobatic flights and lifetime, bu
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Armistead
> There ARE more than 3 ADs for IS28s. You need to be careful
> how you look for
> them !
Whoops, should have realised that myself.
> Some are filed under "IS-28" (rather than "IS28") - another 9
> in fact,
> including AD 374 "Fati
the DG505
John Parncutt
VMFG
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issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
> Our club some years ago (VMFG) sold our IS28's and bought a Puchaz. Having
> gone from instructing on
2004 7:51 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
John,
You are right, spins in an IS 28 can be unpleasant and not willingly
practised without a lot of air underneath you. I have not flown a Puchaz but
the
Harry Medlicott wrote:
Spinning accidents don't normally happen at altitude, it is the ones close
to the ground that cause the accidents. Training at altitude undertaking a
number of turns might be fun but I doubt if it saves many lives. What is
needed is plenty of practice at instantly taking the
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 21:31, Mark Newton wrote:
> I know a lot of people who have a great time spinning gliders, but
> I don't know anyone who would do it below 1,500', whether they're
> in an IS-28, a Puchacz or anything else.
Well - not *intentionally* below 1,500' and it certainly isn't great f
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Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 7:53 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
Yes Harry I agree, accidental spinning at low
Every few years this argument crops up, "to spin or not to spin",
(train), and every few years we get the same old arguments rolled out,
on both sides.
I learned to fly in the 70's, but I haven't flown since 93, so I have
been out of the loop for a while, so a question. Spin training was a
co
Yes, most definately!
John Parncutt
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:54 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT
Hi all - I thought we trained people to recover from
spins because although our nice shiny new trainers are
"spin-proof" most of our aging single seater fleet
that the majority of inexperienced club pilots will
fly are not? I just spent the weekend conducting
spin-training in a puchacz ... and I di
ling, unlike a Pooch.
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Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 01:04 AM
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] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
Spin proof? Our new DG1000 spins like a top!
I learnt to spin off the top of the winch in the UK, in a K7. It's a very
different kettle of fish, as Harry notes, starting a spin at 1300 feet or
so. Perhaps some of the accidents there were caus
es relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
Polish gliders seem to require correct spin recovery rather than
allowing you to get away with just using one control. I wonder if this
has something to do with the Puchacz problem.
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> Yes, most definately!
>
>
> John Parncutt
>
> -
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> Spin proof? Our new DG1000 spins like a top!
>
> I learnt to spin off the top of the winch in the UK, in a K7. It's a very
different kett
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:12:14 +0930
Today I will break from tradition
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Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
Can you hit the winch parachute practicing spinning off the top of the
winch? I presume you wait a while before deliberately spinning.
PeterS
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From: "Derek Ruddock" <[EMAIL P
At 12:12 PM 22/09/04 +0930, you wrote:
>Today I will break from tradition and stick my beak in
>fully expecting to be shot down in flames because of my
>background as SCHLEICHER agent in Australia, NZ and
>Japan.
>
Bernard,
I think you are confusing the Puchacz with the KR03 Krosno.
The Puch i
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
Today I will break from tradition and stick my beak in
fully expecting to be shot
2 September 2004 01:04 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
> Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT
> to spin for fun)
>
> Hi all - I thought we trained people to recover from
> spins because although our nice shiny new trainers
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Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 4:59 PM
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Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
Bernard, I think
From: "Jason Armistead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A similar problem exists for "LS-6" versus "LS 6" and "DG-100" versus "DG
100" and other numerically identified aircraft types.
I will have a chat with the webmaster and GFA office to see if we can get
some consistency in the naming of aircraft types.
.
and it spins
(and recovers!) beautifully. And that's with me in the front. (No
light-weight :-( !)
From: "Peter Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
> Having height to lose last Sunday :-)) , I tried
At 02:28 AM 24/09/04 +1000, you wrote:
>Peter,
>
>What sort of trim does the Blanik have? Our K-13 has an aerodynamic trim
>tab. With it set neutral it rapidly develops into a spiral dive after about
>3/4 of a turn, but if you put in full forward trim this makes the trim-tab
>go up, giving you mo
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:03:31 +1000, Graeme Cant wrote
> >From: "Jason Armistead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >A similar problem exists for "LS-6" versus "LS 6" and "DG-100" versus "DG
> >100" and other numerically identified aircraft types.
> >
> >I will have a chat with the webmaster and GFA office t
David Long &/or Cathy Lincoln wrote:
What sort of trim does the Blanik have?
A trim tab. One on each elevator. Quite powerful and can be flown in
pitch on the trim tab alone.
While they are a dead dog to work one, I never minded flying them.
With full flap, full rear trim, both hands on the stick
Oh! You were trim back then. (Yeah, I know - yuck)
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commanded phenomenon.
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From: McLean Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:38 pm
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
> re: IS28 droping in unintentionally from a thermal ..
> it definitely will, because
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I was trained on Southern Cross's IS28s. I remember the first time a spin was
demonstrated to me: I had no idea it would be so fast and so (comparitively) violent.
I recall putting my hands up onto
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Its been noticed in this thread that all Polish gliders to spin. This is, I believe
reflected
in the way Polish glider pilots are trained.
Being fully trained Polish pilot (mid 70) and having flown in Australia for more than
10
years, I though I might share my experience.
Firstly, every trai
Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2004 09:57 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia .
Subject:Re: RE: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun )
It's been noticed in this thread that all Polish gliders to spin. This
At 09:57 AM 23/09/04 +1000, you wrote:
>Its been noticed in this thread that all Polish gliders to spin. This is,
I believe reflected
>in the way Polish glider pilots are trained.
>Being fully trained Polish pilot (mid 70) and having flown in Australia
for more than 10
>years, I though I might
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> Of Jarek Mosiejewski
> Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2004 9:27 AM
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>
t in full forward trim this makes the trim-tab
> go up, giving you more elevator authority with the stick back and it spins
> (and recovers!) beautifully. And that's with me in the front. (No
> light-weight :-( !)
>
> From: "Peter Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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