David Long /or Cathy Lincoln wrote:
What sort of trim does the Blanik have?
A trim tab. One on each elevator. Quite powerful and can be flown in
pitch on the trim tab alone.
While they are a dead dog to work one, I never minded flying them.
With full flap, full rear trim, both hands on the stick
Ah, that is what my problem was!. Blaniks do have a variable trim tab system. I had
the A/C trimmed
for 45knots as per normal which with a heavy weight up front would have been have been
more than 1/2
back.. Will try full forward trim and report back next time I have height to waste
(not very
At 02:28 AM 24/09/04 +1000, you wrote:
Peter,
What sort of trim does the Blanik have? Our K-13 has an aerodynamic trim
tab. With it set neutral it rapidly develops into a spiral dive after about
3/4 of a turn, but if you put in full forward trim this makes the trim-tab
go up, giving you more
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:03:31 +1000, Graeme Cant wrote
From: Jason Armistead [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A similar problem exists for LS-6 versus LS 6 and DG-100 versus DG
100 and other numerically identified aircraft types.
I will have a chat with the webmaster and GFA office to see if we can get
Bernard, I think there may be some confusion in your mind regaring the
Puchacz
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the A/C was taken out of service well before reaching its
3000 hr limit due to an ever growing number of loose
rivets.
Today - a mere 6 years later - the value of the A/C is
down to scrap metal.
Unquote
The
re: IS28 droping in unintentionally from a thermal ..
it definitely will, because I did exactly that on an
early solo! .. it also loses a fair bit of height
being on the heavy side .. I've never done it since
then though, so it must have scared me sufficiently ..
--- Derek Ruddock [EMAIL
I was trained on Southern Cross's IS28s. I remember the first time a spin was
demonstrated to me: I had no idea it would be so fast and so (comparitively) violent.
I recall putting my hands up onto the canopy to brace myself -- all I could see out
the front was the ground, rapidly rotating. Of
Richard,
You probably have demonstrated exactly WHY we teach people to recover from spins.
If you were to inadvertently spin a single seater, and responded by placing your hands
on the canopy, then I'm afraid you would be frightened for the rest of your (very
short) life, unless you were lucky
The followingextracts from the CGC pilot handling notes
for the IS-30 and IS-29D might be of interest to thoseinvolved inthe
debate on spinning their "cousin", the IS-28. The notes were drafted
toassist pilots with conversion to type.
IS-30
The Incipient Spin
Being a mild mannered
John, you are right.
In the second paragraph of my posting it should have read
Puchatek and not Puchacz.
My sincere apologies.
Bernard Eckey
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Its been noticed in this thread that all Polish gliders to spin. This is, I believe
reflected
in the way Polish glider pilots are trained.
Being fully trained Polish pilot (mid 70) and having flown in Australia for more than
10
years, I though I might share my experience.
Firstly, every
Probably the reason Australian instructors are dismissive of this technique is that
nobody flies at the stall and gives a bootful of rudder.
An accidental spin is more likely to be entered by poor thermalling technique, or by
the stress of a poor circuit, with an attempt at stretching a glide.
At 09:57 AM 23/09/04 +1000, you wrote:
Its been noticed in this thread that all Polish gliders to spin. This is,
I believe reflected
in the way Polish glider pilots are trained.
Being fully trained Polish pilot (mid 70) and having flown in Australia
for more than 10
years, I though I might
At the time part of AUGC's decision to buy the Puchatek was because we could
use it for spin training to replace our Bocian.
I think the polish glider characteristic of requiring correct spin recovery
technique is good. Unfortunately many german built types let you off with
partial recovery. We
-Original Message-
From: Jason Armistead
There ARE more than 3 ADs for IS28s. You need to be careful
how you look for
them !
Whoops, should have realised that myself.
Some are filed under IS-28 (rather than IS28) - another 9
in fact,
including AD 374 Fatigue Life
Our club some years ago (VMFG) sold our IS28's and bought a Puchaz. Having
gone from instructing on the 28's to the Puchaz, I can tell you the spin
characteristics of the Puchaz are far superior to that of the 28. The 28's
depending on C of G had an alarming (for the pupil and sometimes even
John,
You are right, spins in an IS 28 can be unpleasant and not willingly
practised without a lot of air underneath you. I have not flown a Puchaz but
the statistics say it all. If anyone has precise figures, then let us all
know but I understand it is about the worst of any current training
Yes Harry I agree, accidental spinning at low altitude is the real danger
and we must never lose focus that the reason for its training is to ensure
that pilots can recover quickly in an emergency. I also believe the real
emphasis should be the training of recognising and recovering from the
Harry Medlicott wrote:
Spinning accidents don't normally happen at altitude, it is the ones close
to the ground that cause the accidents. Training at altitude undertaking a
number of turns might be fun but I doubt if it saves many lives. What is
needed is plenty of practice at instantly taking the
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 21:31, Mark Newton wrote:
I know a lot of people who have a great time spinning gliders, but
I don't know anyone who would do it below 1,500', whether they're
in an IS-28, a Puchacz or anything else.
Well - not *intentionally* below 1,500' and it certainly isn't great fun
Polish gliders seem to require correct spin recovery rather than
allowing you to get away with just using one control. I wonder if this
has something to do with the Puchacz problem.
I met someone in a wheelchair in Germany who was there because of a spin
accident.
-Cath
-Original
Every few years this argument crops up, to spin or not to spin,
(train), and every few years we get the same old arguments rolled out,
on both sides.
I learned to fly in the 70's, but I haven't flown since 93, so I have
been out of the loop for a while, so a question. Spin training was a
Yes, most definately!
John Parncutt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
Creswick
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:54 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT
Spin proof? Our new DG1000 spins like a top!
I learnt to spin off the top of the winch in the UK, in a K7. It's a very different
kettle of fish, as Harry notes, starting a spin at 1300 feet or so. Perhaps some of
the accidents there were caused by instructors expecting the Pooch to recover like
Today I will break from tradition and stick my beak in
fully expecting to be shot down in flames because of my
background as SCHLEICHER agent in Australia, NZ and
Japan.
The sad track record of the Puchacz is an ever growing
list of approx. 40 dead glider pilots with the same
number of
Having height to lose last Sunday :-)) , I tried multiple times to spin a
Blanik. As I had a heavy front seat passenger, she just kept dropping her
nose into an incipient spiral dive so I gave up and pulled brakes.
:-((
PeterS
- Original Message -
From: John Parncutt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can you hit the winch parachute practicing spinning off the top of the
winch? I presume you wait a while before deliberately spinning.
PeterS
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From: Derek Ruddock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Not sure what Puchacz you refer to as our clubs one is made of GRP, no doubt
there are rivets in some places but not enough to require grounding when and
if they work loose.
Kevin
From: BC Eckey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.[EMAIL
By the time you have done your HASSLL check the chute is on the ground
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Stephenson
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 01:13 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
At 12:12 PM 22/09/04 +0930, you wrote:
Today I will break from tradition and stick my beak in
fully expecting to be shot down in flames because of my
background as SCHLEICHER agent in Australia, NZ and
Japan.
Bernard,
I think you are confusing the Puchacz with the KR03 Krosno.
The Puch is
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