Re: Baha'i Marriage Contract

2010-07-14 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In the Baha'i wedding ceremony, that question "do you take x to be your lawfully wedded spouse?" is not asked. The Baha'i marriage vow is not an answer to a question from the person officiating the ceremony. In fact, you do not need a person officiating the ceremony

Re: Wahdat al-Wajud was Re: Seer Status

2010-07-14 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also, isn't it the case that the debate between the primacy of essence over existence versus the primacy of existence over essence has been going on forever amongst theologians, thinkers and philosophers with no clear resolution? Best regards, Iskandar Se

Re: Wahdat al-Wajud was Re: Seer Status

2010-07-14 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Well, again, this is my own limited understanding; so, take it with a grain of salt: "wujud" existence, in the sense that applies to you and me and a tree and a chair and a flower, is really beneath the Essence of God head. The Transcendent Essence of the Divine rea

Re: Wahdat al-Wajud was Re: Seer Status

2010-07-14 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Very briefly, my understanding is that the Baha'i Faith does not accept wahdat al-wujud in the sense of God being like unto an ocean and created things being like unto drops of that ocean. My understanding is that the Divine realm, the realm of Godhead, totally tran

Re: Seal of the Prophets/ some more clarifications

2010-07-03 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Shahram: All recent acadaemic research confirms that Hasan al-askari, your 11th Shi`ah imam, was not survived by a son. All those ahadeeth that you want to present have been shown to be fabricated, inconsistent, self-contradictory, and false. Read Amir-Arjoma

Re: Seal of the Prophets/ some clarifications

2010-07-03 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Shahram: The Blessed Bab has Himself explained His station and claims in His Seven Proofs and in His Persian Bayan and He has also explained and interpreted His earlier Writings Himself. Susan already shared many quotes. Please go back and re-read her message

Re: Seal of the Prophets/ some clarifications

2010-07-02 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Well, dear Shahram, you just don't get it. Hasan al-askari was not survived by any son when he died. Hasan's brother J`afar attested to that fact. The whole story about a son who was alive past 260AH was just made up. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Spri

Re: Seal of the Prophets/ some clarifications

2010-07-02 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Shahram: That "person" the son of Hasan al-askari died before 260AH, if such a son was ever born. That's what all recent acadaemic research shows. And you know that. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -

Re: Seal of the Prophets/ some clarifications

2010-07-01 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Shahram: You have misread and misunderstood The Blessed Bab's comments. He, Himself, explains why He used the term "Bab". Go back and re-read it, dear Shahram. The name of that city in which you Shi`ah people assume the son of Hasan al-askari is alive

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan: Correct. That is my understanding as well. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Susan Maneck Sender: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:23:40 To: Baha'i Studies Reply-To: "Baha'i

Re: Syriac and Aramaic Language in the Origianal Quran

2010-06-28 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think he is taken seriously but because of the extreme sensitivity of the issue and the potential threats against his life, he had to use a pseudonym. Armin said that someone found his real name, address, and identity and posted the information on the internet. Th

Re: Respect for Islam

2010-06-28 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Well, what shall I say? Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: "haj...@yahoo.com" Sender: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:09:48 To: Baha'i Studies Reply-To: "Baha'i Studies" Subject: Re: Respect for Islam The Baha'i Stud

Re: Respect for Islam

2010-06-28 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Basically, he questions the traditional Muslim understanding of "wahy" Revelation and puts forward his reading that the Quran is a product of "wahy" as expressed and articulated through the mind of the Prophet and His times, culture, language, etc. In other words, t

Re: Respect for Islam

2010-06-28 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think Professor `abdu'l-Kareem Soroosh who used to be the pride and joy of the Islamic Republic of Iran from its inception as the master theoretician, scholar, and theologian philosopher for the theocracy of her wilayat-e faqih (rule by the supreme jurist), and w

Re: Seal of the Prophets

2010-06-28 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Hajir: The Baha'i "acceptance", if you will, of Shi`ah is quite nuanced and sophisticated. As you very well know, Baha'i Writings do not accept all of Shi`ism in toto, wholesale. For example, Baha'is do not believe that the promised One, the promised Mahdi, i

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-28 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv As I said, I was trying to wrap up and I am reluctant to make detailed comments about the following. It looks like Matt Haase understood at least some of the points I made. Gilberto either didn't understand or misunderstood my comments. But I'm reluctant to try to c

Non-Baha'is are permitted to participate at the 19-day feast

2010-06-25 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan: Can you please download the message from the National (to all LSA's) dated December 2008 that contains the clarification from the Universal House of Justice and post that .pdf file to the list? I can't do it now from my cell phone. Best regards, I

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Well, you know guys, this whole thing is rather funny: I pointed out that there definitely is a major difference about this "najas" issue in that whereas the Quran 9:28 clearly and explicitly says some folks are "najas", this whole concept just does not exist in th

Re: Time dependence of Revelation

2010-06-24 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Shahram: There has been a lot of recent research by acadaemic historians, Islamic studies scholars, Arabists, etc. into this issue. From an acadaemic point of view, it is not as cut and dried as you seem to suggest. From a belief and faith point of view, the

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Much thanks, dear Gilberto for your comments. Baha'is believe that Muhammad is the last Prophet in the same sense that Jesus, Moses, and Baha'u'llah are the last Prophet. And the first Prophet. It's all explained in Baha'u'llah's "Book of Certitude" and in Khazeh's

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That's nice and positive and I can agree with it, dear Gilberto. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Gilberto Simpson Sender: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:37:45 To: Baha'i Studies Reply-T

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Thanks. Gilberto's point was that when a Baha'i says s/he has "respect for Islam, honors the Prophet, and regards the Quran as the Word of God", this is very very different (according to Gilberto) from when a Muslim has "respect for Islam, honors the Prophet, and r

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I am asking you, Gilberto, or Mat Haas. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Gilberto Simpson Sender: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:24:40 To: Baha'i Studies Reply-To: "Baha'i Studies" Subje

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Do you have respect for Islam the same way that you have respect for Christianity, Buddhism and the Baha'i Faith? Do you have respect for Buddhism? Or, for the Baha'i Faith? Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -

Re: Ablutions - where?

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What is now Iraq was then part of the Ottoman empire, in the 16th and 17th and 18th and 19th centuries. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Gilberto Simpson Sender: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Baha'i concept of progressive Revelation does not mean that there is anything wrong with Islam. Baha'is believe Islam to be a Divinely ordained religion and the Quran to be the word of God. As I said, shelf life is a different story. Baha'is are supposed to

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv So, according to Islamic Shari`ah law, what is the treatment that a Muslim receives when s/he leaves Islam? Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Gilberto Simpson Sender: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2

Re: Ablutions - where?

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don't think so. I think Iraq was part of the Ottoman Empire until the early 1920's or so. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Gilberto Simpson Sender: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:06:47

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That's OK, that you don't want to ask the question from Sistani or Lankarani, etc. I understand. Had you or another tolerant and open minded Muslim been able to get a decree from Lankarani or Sistani that Baha'is are not "najas", it would have been a tremendous help

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Huh? Do I want Muslims to hate me? Where did you get that from? No, of course not. So, two Muslims out of more than a billion don't hate me. Well, that's nice and I appreciate it. Best regards and much thanks, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network fro

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-23 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv So, you don't want to ask the question. That's fine. I just hope that the Saudi government goes along with your understanding of Islam vis a vis us Baha'is, apostasy, kAAfer, najas, etc. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackB

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-22 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Well, I seriously doubt if the Saudi government, the self proclaimed guardian of Islam, will permit me (a Baha'i), to go on pilgrimage to Kaabah, regardless of the fatwa. Visiting the Kaabah, the tomb of the Prophet and of His daughter, other historical sites and m

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-22 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Well, I don't think Islam per se committed any sin. I myself do draw spiritual nourishment from reading the Quran, for example. I am perfectly willing to forgive and forget any and all discrimination and injustice that has been done to me by Muslims in the name of

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-22 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I believe Islam to be a Divinely ordained religion, just like Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, the Baha'i Faith, Zorastrianism, and Hinduism. Shelf life is a different story. The way marriage is actually practiced in most Muslim societies is that a Muslim man is

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-18 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Gilberto: The concept of "najas" (untouchable because something is considered ritually impure) does not exist in the Baha'i Faith. My understanding is that in Islam an infidel (kAAfir, or mushrik) is considered "najas", or semen is considered "najas". This "

Re: The only quality God doesn't has?

2010-06-17 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Oh, sorry I misunderstood you, dear Gilberto. I am not sure if there is a definitive Baha'i answer per se regarding Islamic hadith. If there is, I am not aware of it. Perhaps Susan or Khazeh might know. In the Baha'i Faith, however, there is no such thing as hadi

Re: The only quality God doesn't has?

2010-06-16 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Gilberto: My understanding is that there six authoritative books of reliable ahadith for Sunnis (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, etc.) and there are four authoritative collections of reliable ahadith for the Shi`ah in addition to Nahju'l-balagha (sayings and ser

Re: can't update Ocean

2010-06-15 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also there is the new search program called Kalim. You can also search on the Baha'i reference library website, online. I think the person who created Ocean is working on yet another better and more expanded program. Another program that runs on Mac and/or on Win

Re: The only quality God doesn't has?

2010-06-15 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Hasan: No, Abu Hurayrah was not one of the 11 Shi`ah Imams. If I remember correctly, he was one of the early believers. His name appears many times in Sunni hadiths but very rarely in Shi`ah hadiths. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now N

Re: Nikah Mutah (Temporary Marriage)

2010-05-24 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's in the untranslated Writings of the Baha'i Faith. I have to dig it up. Somehow. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Stephen Gray Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:10:49 To: Baha'i Studies Su

Re: Nikah Mutah (Temporary Marriage)

2010-05-24 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Mutah or temporary marriage is specifically prohibited in the Baha'i Faith. The practice of temporary marriage is very much prevalent and alive in Shi`ah Iran. I've heard that in Egypt and some other Sunni Muslim countries men are allowed to have a female travel comp

Re: article request

2010-05-13 Thread iskandar.hai
The Baha'i Studies Listserv If you find it, I'd like it too. Best regards, Iskandar Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Hasan Elías Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:13:42 To: Baha'i Studies Subject: article request The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi a