Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 9, 2003, at 9:08 PM, R. Joseph Newton wrote: UML? Isn't that the stuff the once-long-ago-knew-how-to-code professional sycophants use to make pretty pictures for execs, so that the execs can go to bed in the warm contented illusion that they actually understand something about the system

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Wiggins d Anconia wrote: > > please let's do a split(/\s/, "Perl Programmer"). > > > > this return one array with two scalar: > > Perl > > Programmer > > > > that's why > > > > Back to semantics, define "Programmer". Your definition of programmer, > if it requires any knowledge of UML, is so stri

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Tassilo von Parseval wrote: > The credo of your original message was rather flat and shallow: Avoid > university at all costs because it can't teach you anything worthwhile. > This is an immature statement which I addressed. > > Tassilo Actually, the first message I saw from drieux on this threa

[ADMIN] Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

It was Tuesday, December 09, 2003 when david took the soap box, saying: : Drieux wrote: : : > In PART because with things like the Internet, IF : > one wants to learn, one can and at far cheaper rates. : : if this is a joke, it's laughable. if it's not a joke, you are laughable. Picking a random

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Hi Everyone, I would like to suggest that we drop the thread or bring it to focus on something less invidious than students vs. townies. I think it goes without saying that academia has many faults - but the autodidact is often a victim of his own whims and idiosyncracies. If this thread is t

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Drieux wrote: > In PART because with things like the Internet, IF > one wants to learn, one can and at far cheaper rates. if this is a joke, it's laughable. if it's not a joke, you are laughable. david -- s,.*,<<,e,y,\n,,d,y,.s,10,,s .ss.s.s...s.sss.s.ss s.s.s...s...s..s ...

RE: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Wiggins d Anconia writes: > > > > please let's do a split(/\s/, "Perl Programmer"). > > > > this return one array with two scalar: > > Perl > > Programmer > > > > that's why > > > > Back to semantics, define "Programmer". Your definition of programmer, > if it requires any knowl

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Drieux wrote: > [snip OP] > > first off you really SHOULD NOT scare people > with phrases like " write microcode for " and > then refer to a four digit chipset. WAY BAD FORM. > { and yes, doing the Motorola side of the assembler > on a RISC was much easier, none of that reverse > polish notation sm

RE: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

> please let's do a split(/\s/, "Perl Programmer"). > > this return one array with two scalar: > Perl > Programmer > > that's why > Back to semantics, define "Programmer". Your definition of programmer, if it requires any knowledge of UML, is so strict that it will not work in 99% of circles

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 01:43:06AM -0800 drieux wrote: > On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:24 AM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote: > [..] > >>hypothetical question, > >> > >>would one need to be a perl-porter > >>to write good perl? > [..] > > let us get simple. > > how about answering the simple question. > > i

RE: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

earning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Before I can say that I'm a Perl Programmer, I have to say that I'm a > Programmer. > why? ciao drieux --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I can say that I'm a Perl Programmer, I have to say that I'm a Programmer. why? ciao drieux --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:24 AM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote: [..] hypothetical question, would one need to be a perl-porter to write good perl? [..] let us get simple. how about answering the simple question. it was the core of your alleged argument. IF you can make it fly, great. Otherwise, feel fr

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:33:08PM -0800 drieux wrote: > On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:50 PM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote: > [..] > >The current set of perl-porters that are able and willing > >to work on the core are with > >not many exceptions people with academic degrees. > [..] > > hypothetical questio

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 10:31 PM, Tim Johnson wrote: [..] I will admit that the level of dedication and self-sacrifice required is exceedingly rare, and I'm stretching the analogy pretty thin anyway, so I'll leave it there. [..] Since I have stirred up some apparent confusion here, let me try to be cle

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:50 PM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote: [..] The current set of perl-porters that are able and willing to work on the core are with not many exceptions people with academic degrees. [..] hypothetical question, would one need to be a perl-porter to write good perl? { would it be im

RE: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tassilo von Parseval >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 2:51 PM >To: drieux >Cc: Perl Perl >Subject: Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level The current set of perl-porters that are able and willing to work on the core are with not many exceptions pe

Certification processes - Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 4:22 PM, Tom Kinzer wrote: http://perlcert.perlocity.org/ From: J Ingersoll Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:16 PM [..] I'm working slowly towards the Linux Professional Institute's exams - it would be nice to put down on a resume also "Perl Certified" rather than "well I've

RE: [OT] Education Level

http://perlcert.perlocity.org/ -Original Message- From: J Ingersoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:16 PM To: Perl Beginner's List Subject: RE: [OT] Education Level --- Wiggins d Anconia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > looking to

RE: [OT] Education Level

--- Wiggins d Anconia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > looking to break out of a > > non-challenging career in mainframe work :^> ) > > > > On my "own", meaning no formal education in Perl. I got my start on the > job from 2 programmers that came before me (which is why it wasn't > really on

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 12:43:37PM -0800 drieux wrote: > Learn to be nice to undergrads and grad students. > Think about the unpleasant lack of experience that > they have in a wide range of issues. Most of them > grew up in normal homes with median types of families. > ALL they have to 'validate

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:18 AM, Jason Dusek wrote: [..] I think drieux has raised a good point in taking a shot at the 'learning how to think' snobbery too common among college graduates. [..] It is not so much a shot at 'snobbery' as it is at the lack of 'intellectual rigor' that the phrase bleats l

Re: [OT] Education Level

Hi All, I think drieux has raised a good point in taking a shot at the 'learning how to think' snobbery too common among college graduates. It is a sad fact that college has very little to do with thinking or learning - rather it is all about: a) patience with idiots b) conformance to rules

The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 7:19 AM, J Ingersoll wrote: [..] I'd like to know how many in the list - employed for their perl skills - learned perl on their own (practice, forums, books, et. al. ) and how many attended formal classes ...? [..] first off you really SHOULD NOT scare people with phrases like

Re: [OT] Education Level

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Hi Charles, A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. Been there. Done that. The job posting demanded a college degree. I had

RE: [OT] Education Level

for it, though... -Chris -Original Message- From: Charles K. Clarkson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Education Level Hello, A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never take a full time job as a p

RE: [OT] Education Level

My junior year of high school, my school obtained an IBM 1401 computer. I was all over that thing as soon as I saw the shipping crates. I had obtained a copy of the reference manual (the so called "Principals of Operation", or "PO") before it was out of the crate. I asked if classes would be ta

Re: [OT] Education Level

Hi all, I have done my BSc in Biology , Masters in biochemistry rightnow i am doing my PhD in Bioinformatics and i extensively use Perl at my work. Most of Perl i have learnt is from this mailing list and the system manuals :) KM ---

RE: [OT] Education Level

Everything I know about Perl I learned from books, Google, and this list. -Original Message- From: J Ingersoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:19 AM To: Perl Beginner's List Subject: RE: [OT] Education Level I'd like to know how many in the list

RE: [OT] Education Level

> > B.A., Computer Science, -- when ? -- I recall an assignment to write > microcode for the "latest" Intel processor at that time, the 8088 (we had > a choice between that and the Motorola 68??). > > I'd like to know how many in the list - employed for their perl skills - > learned perl on th

RE: [OT] Education Level

B.A., Computer Science, -- when ? -- I recall an assignment to write microcode for the "latest" Intel processor at that time, the 8088 (we had a choice between that and the Motorola 68??). I'd like to know how many in the list - employed for their perl skills - learned perl on their own (pract

RE: [OT] Education Level

radhika sambamurti wrote: > I chose the liberal arts route, and ended up with a degree in > economics and history. I took a similar route. B.A., History and M.B.A., Finance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <

Re: [OT] Education Level

Marcos Rebelo wrote: > > I'm scared with this opinions. I don't know what you learn in that side of > the Atlantic but from this side the University is very important. Most of > all, for learning how to think. Exactly. And that's the basis of all the best English universities which are, sadly, bei

Re: [OT] Education Level

> The job posting demanded a college degree. I had one > semester of college 20 years ago and normally classify > myself as "finished high school". I'm curious: What level of > education have list members attained? > Charles K. Clarkson > Head Bottle Washer, > Clarkson Energy Homes, Inc. > Mob

RE: [OT] Education Level

I would count myself among those non-college graduates who have managed to secure "degree required" jobs (don't worry, I'm not a programmer, it just helps me with my work). I don't think it has hurt me in the way of skills or cognitive abilities, but I had to learn on my own those things that

RE: [OT] Education Level

I'm scared with this opinions. I don't know what you learn in that side of the Atlantic but from this side the University is very important. Most of all, for learning how to think. Anyone can do hacker programming but for doing software engineering you need to know a little bit more. I have worke

RE: [OT] Education Level

Mr M senthil kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : : I have come across your mails a couple of times in this : list. The signature part always make me wonder what your : profession means? Sorry if i am offending you in anyway, : i was just curious. Is it something funny like "Assistant : Button Pushe

Re: [OT] Education Level

"Charles K. Clarkson" wrote: > Hello, > > A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never > take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for > that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. > Been there. Done that. > > The job posting demanded a college degree

RE: [OT] Education Level

4 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Education Level Hello, A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. Been there. Done that. The job posting demand

Re: [OT] Education Level

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:34:11 -0600 "Charles K. Clarkson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never > take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for > that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. > Been there. Done

Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 7, 2003, at 10:56 AM, Rob Dixon wrote: [..] As a controversial afterthought, it seems to me that UK degrees are being downgraded to bring them in line with the more vocational US degrees. At present I think I'd sooner have earned a German BSc than the one I actually have. [..] I'm rather af

Re: [OT] Education Level

Rob Dixon wrote: Charles wrote: A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. Been there. Done that. The job posting demanded a college degree. I had one semester

Re: [OT] Education Level

Charles wrote: > > A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never > take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for > that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. > Been there. Done that. > > The job posting demanded a college degree. I had one > semester o

Re: [OT] Education Level

Charles K. Clarkson wrote: Hello, A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. Been there. Done that. The job posting demanded a college degree. I had one semest

Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 7, 2003, at 11:34 AM, Charles K. Clarkson wrote: Hello, A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. Been there. Done that. The job posting demanded a co

[OT] Education Level

Hello, A recent job posting has left me curious. I would never take a full time job as a programmer or as anything else for that matter. I just don't make a good employee any more. Been there. Done that. The job posting demanded a college degree. I had one semester of college 20 years ago