Re: an explanation of the upcoming weeks

2002-02-07 Thread Jeff Taylor
If you are using maps when linked lists will do, the bloat isn't in the code. If you are using linked lists when maps are indicated, the performance is going to be slow. For moderate amounts of dynamically changing data that need to be looked up, maps are good unless you have unlimited amounts

Re: bb and transient windows

2002-02-07 Thread Jan Schaumann
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [CVS] I do not like it Another thing is I have been coding often on my laptop and currently my only way to get files from it is via a floppy. cvs assumes you have a network or are willing to patch and commit. You seem to be missing the point

Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Marc Wilson
Head on over to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-010-20-RV-DT-SW and check out the fluxbox review. While I suppose fluxbox is nice, he really doesn't get it, does he? -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.cox.net/msw

Re:Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Marco Fioretti
Head on over to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-010-20-RV-DT-SW and check out the fluxbox review. While I suppose fluxbox is nice, he really doesn't get it, does he? He the reviewer? Or fluxbox itself? What doesn't he get exactly? Marco Fioretti

Re: bb and transient windows

2002-02-07 Thread Roman Neuhauser
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:05:22 -0500 From: Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bb and transient windows Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I would rather people use the tarballs I release. Frankly the need to download code

Re: quake3/gaim in bb

2002-02-07 Thread Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper
Um. I've of course deleted the original message, but I believe the message started along the lines of how come gaim raises itself above quake..., etc. It seems to me that the correct and simplest solution to this is to tell gaim to stop XRaiseWindow'ing itself to the top whenever it feels like

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Derek Cunningham
On Thu, Feb07,02 10:42, Marco Fioretti wrote: Head on over to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-010-20-RV-DT-SW and check out the fluxbox review. While I suppose fluxbox is nice, he really doesn't get it, does he? He the reviewer? Or fluxbox itself? What

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Jan Schaumann
Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb07,02 10:42, Marco Fioretti wrote: Head on over to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-010-20-RV-DT-SW And then, aside from that... I'm curious... the author states this: Fluxbox also adds a native key grabber

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Derek Cunningham
On Thu, Feb07,02 10:06, Jan Schaumann wrote: Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb07,02 10:42, Marco Fioretti wrote: Head on over to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-010-20-RV-DT-SW And then, aside from that... I'm curious... the author

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread xOr
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 10:06:35AM -0500, Jan Schaumann wrote: Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb07,02 10:42, Marco Fioretti wrote: Head on over to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-010-20-RV-DT-SW And then, aside from that... I'm

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread xOr
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 10:10:27AM -0500, Derek Cunningham wrote: On Thu, Feb07,02 10:06, Jan Schaumann wrote: Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb07,02 10:42, Marco Fioretti wrote: Head on over to

Re: bb and transient windows

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
The next time you go somewhere with or without your laptop, you can get your sources easily and make changes and commit them, delete the sources locally and still have your changes the next time you want to work on them. as I said elsewhere, the assumption here is I have network access

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 07-Feb-2002 Marc Wilson wrote: Head on over to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-010-20-RV-DT-SW and check out the fluxbox review. While I suppose fluxbox is nice, he really doesn't get it, does he? Wow, I had heard the tabs were ugly but jeez . (-: I

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread dan radom
i took a stab at fluxbox not long ago, and was immediately annoyed beyond belief by those stupid window tab groups. it's blackbox for me! * Marco Fioretti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Head on over to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-010-20-RV-DT-SW and check out

Re: bb and transient windows

2002-02-07 Thread Jan Schaumann
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The next time you go somewhere with or without your laptop, you can get your sources easily and make changes and commit them, delete the sources locally and still have your changes the next time you want to work on them. as I said

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Russ Burdick
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 09:20:06AM -0600, xOr wrote: He spends a whole paragraph (I think the biggest one in teh article) on this, and Blackbox has always (well, for a long time anyways) handles wmaker dock apps just fine. This annoys me to no end, get it right, you know..? Oh well. any

Re: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
any chance that one of the more articulate blackbox users/developers would be able to write a rebuttal review? there are some good comments from bb users pointing out errors, but it'd be great if we could show all the new work going into bb and point out why we like it better than fluxbox

RE: Fluxbox review

2002-02-07 Thread Craig Thrall
Personally, I think it's great that people like BB enough to start making spin-off WM's. Another interesting article would take a look at BB and its progeny - you could say that it's possible to both keep the minimalist look n' feel in BB yet provide a launching point for those who want some of

Workspace 2

2002-02-07 Thread Eric Christian Carlsen
Just wondering if the 'crash on change to workspace 2' bug has been fixed with the new release. I've experienced that a few times now and I was wondering if it's worth it to update. The only reason I haven't so far is that I always use the patch that lets you change workspaces with the wheel

Re: Workspace 2

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 07-Feb-2002 Eric Christian Carlsen wrote: Just wondering if the 'crash on change to workspace 2' bug has been fixed with the new release. I've experienced that a few times now and I was wondering if it's worth it to update. The only reason I haven't so far is that I always use the patch

Re: cvs on sf.net

2002-02-07 Thread David Terrell
On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 06:08:44PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: ok, cvs is up to date on sf.net. It even has 0.62.1pre0 which is not released. The website shows (0 commits, 0 adds). Not sure how it tracks this. My usual usage of cvs is: cvs import blackbox version blackbox

Re: cvs on sf.net

2002-02-07 Thread David Terrell
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:02:41AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Vendor branches don't give you good commit history. but they do reflect my code and cvs usage. Are you planning on letting other people commit to the cvs tree on sf directly? -- David Terrell| Science

Re: cvs on sf.net

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 07-Feb-2002 David Terrell wrote: On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:02:41AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Vendor branches don't give you good commit history. but they do reflect my code and cvs usage. Are you planning on letting other people commit to the cvs tree on sf directly?

Re: cvs on sf.net

2002-02-07 Thread David Terrell
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:22:24AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 07-Feb-2002 David Terrell wrote: On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:02:41AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Vendor branches don't give you good commit history. but they do reflect my code and cvs usage.

Blackbox/wmswallow bug

2002-02-07 Thread Philipp Reinecke
Hello, I recently experienced a strange bug which I believe is Blackbox related. Starting xbiff, putting it in the slit with wmswallow and changing to another workspace _before_ it appears in the slit leaves its window decorations on the workspace it originally appeared on. The window content

Re: Blackbox/wmswallow bug

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 07-Feb-2002 Philipp Reinecke wrote: Hello, I recently experienced a strange bug which I believe is Blackbox related. Starting xbiff, putting it in the slit with wmswallow and changing to another workspace _before_ it appears in the slit leaves its window decorations on the workspace it

Re: bblaunch

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 07-Feb-2002 Johan Ronström wrote: I dont know if this is the right newsgroup but bblaunch is a bbtool... When I use BBLaunch to start apps in other workspaces and so, the log says 'XGetCommand can't allocate enough memory' and the program launches normally (in the current workspace).

Re: cvs on sf.net

2002-02-07 Thread Roman Neuhauser
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:35:27 +0100 From: Mads Martin J?rgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: David Terrell [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: cvs on sf.net * Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Feb 07. 2002 20:24]: Are you planning

Re: quake3/gaim in bb

2002-02-07 Thread Anh Lai
Well, I have not set gaim to raise windows on events, and the problem still occurs. Somehow, other windwo managers still know this and account for the situation. It seems the problem is not gaim rasing to the front, but simply creating a new window. I believe this is the problem. I cannont

Re: quake3/gaim in bb

2002-02-07 Thread Anh Lai
I just ran mplayer fullscreen using SDL output mode. It reproduces the same thing. So it seems that creation of new child windows maybe the culprit. ... On 02/07/02, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper decided to write ... Um. I've of course deleted the original message, but I believe the message

Re: quake3/gaim in bb

2002-02-07 Thread Gregory J. Barlow
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Anh Lai wrote: Well, I have not set gaim to raise windows on events, and the problem still occurs. Somehow, other windwo managers still know this and account for the situation. It seems the problem is not gaim rasing to the front, but simply creating a new window. I

Re: quake3/gaim in bb

2002-02-07 Thread Anh Lai
... On 02/07/02, Gregory J. Barlow decided to write ... On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Anh Lai wrote: Well, I have not set gaim to raise windows on events, and the problem still occurs. Somehow, other windwo managers still know this and account for the situation. It seems the problem is not gaim

Re: Workspace 2

2002-02-07 Thread Tim Riley
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 09:54:28AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 07-Feb-2002 Eric Christian Carlsen wrote: Just wondering if the 'crash on change to workspace 2' bug has been fixed with the new release. I've experienced that a few times now and I was wondering if it's worth it to

[BlackBox] I know I'm not supposed to like eyecandy, but...

2002-02-07 Thread Imad Hussain
Hi! Alright, I know BlackBox isn't about frills and such, and I do agree with that philosophy. However, recently I've been enticed by the dark side -- KDE. I'm sure I could be saved if I could find I way to modify the window decorations to be similiar to the oh-so-good KDE Web borders. You

Re: [BlackBox] I know I'm not supposed to like eyecandy, but...

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 08-Feb-2002 Imad Hussain wrote: Hi! Alright, I know BlackBox isn't about frills and such, and I do agree with that philosophy. However, recently I've been enticed by the dark side -- KDE. I'm sure I could be saved if I could find I way to modify the window decorations to be similiar

Re: Workspace 2

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
It occured for me after a few days of using 0.62.0. The problem with this 'bug' is that it seems almost completely random, and it /very/ difficult to reproduce consistently, but I have had it happen to me at least 10 times. I am sorry this cannot be of any more use. If it does

Re: call for content

2002-02-07 Thread scott
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: please, link to a URL. That way everyone can see them and if my mail goes flaky we do not lose anything. http://furt.com/screenshots/ Only 2 BB screenshots up right now, i'll be adding some more later showing off different styles:

Re: [BlackBox] I know I'm not supposed to like eyecandy, but...

2002-02-07 Thread Marco Fonseca
Imad Hussain wrote: Hi! Alright, I know BlackBox isn't about frills and such, and I do agree with that philosophy. However, recently I've been enticed by the dark side -- KDE. I'm sure I could be saved if I could find I way to modify the window decorations to be similiar to the oh-so-good

RE: [BlackBox] I know I'm not supposed to like eyecandy, but...

2002-02-07 Thread J. Seth Henry
No kidding. To everyone who wants eye candy - go find an old Mac Quadra (any model) or a IIci. Load NetBSD/mac68k on it, and then compile BlackBox for it. I started playing with NetBSD on a IIci with 40Mb of RAM and a 33Mhz 68030 processor and BlackBox ran ok, but even xterms showed some lag.

Re: call for content

2002-02-07 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, scott wrote: http://furt.com/screenshots/ Only 2 BB screenshots up right now, i'll be adding some more later showing off different styles: Can you (and others who post screenshots) list the applications that are running on the screen and the styles (and maybe bg image)

Re: call for content

2002-02-07 Thread dan radom
http://radom.org/screenshots/screenshots.php * Sean 'Shaleh' Perry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How would you like us to submit screenshots? Email them to you personally? Normally, I would point you to my website, but the server is trashed at the moment. please, link to a URL.

RE: [BlackBox] I know I'm not supposed to like eyecandy, but...

2002-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
(like fvwm or twm), then BlackBox is a very beautiful alternative. In fact, in a lot of ways, I prefer BlackBox because of its simplicity. There is little to distract you. that is exactly what I like about blackbox. I often use it on a 800x600 display. There is still room.