Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 04:18 am, Dan Minette wrote: The point I was making was that people do the right thing because they believe in right and wrong. It doesn't have to be faith in God, but it is still faith based. By pointing out that these principals are just lies and myths, one is und

Re: More Sci-Fi Channel sadness....

--- Gary Nunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a good news/bad news kind of thing, good that the sci-fi channel > has some great ratings, sad at what it was that gave them the great > ratings (I am not including Stargate in that statement) > > > SCI FI's Saturday Original Movies delivere

Re: On the topic of atheism.

From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 09:31:01PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: > > > The statement is flawed. Saying a person is deluding themself simply > > because the evidence they make their judgement on is unscientific is > > wrong. If an atheist wants to say "T

Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France?  If anyone >who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside >from having read Lance A

Re: Viacom sued for not supporting Star Trek franchise...

At 01:20 AM 7/9/03 -0400, Bryon Daly wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:46 AM 7/8/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Bryon Daly wrote: > > Seems I'm not alone in thinking the ST franchise is being run into the > ground... > > http://www.activision.com/en_US/news_article_cc/a2d664

Re: Viacom sued for not supporting Star Trek franchise...

From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:46 AM 7/8/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Bryon Daly wrote: > > Seems I'm not alone in thinking the ST franchise is being run into the > ground... > > http://www.activision.com/en_US/news_article_cc/a2d66498-9dde-49c0-ade0-fde70b0caab9.html > > > t

Re: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Joshua Bell wrote: > > > > it was a nicely gritty and (somewhat) realistic SF world > > Not it was not. There's no stable orbit between two stars. > OTOH, it looked like Lovecraft visiting Nightfall Ah, not the astrophysics or orbital mechanics; I m

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29766-2003Jul8.html?nav=hptop_ts "Former Vermont governor Howard Dean said, "The credibility of the U.S. is a precious commodity. We should all be deeply dismayed that our nation was taken to war and our reputation in the world forever tainted by w

Re: More Sci-Fi Channel sadness....

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 11:07:22PM -0500, Steve Sloan II wrote: > I would be very interested to know how much of those ratings came from > Stargate (their last surviving serious SF show), how much came from > Tremors (mediocre, occasionally cute, but not evil), and how much came > from the truly e

Re: On the topic of atheism.

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:54:13PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Certainly, but neither your mind or mine can *be* those things. Human minds are capable of abstraction. One's mind need not be infinite to understand the concept of infinity. > I don't think that a gerbil could model human behav

Re: More Sci-Fi Channel sadness....

Gary Nunn wrote: > The channel's SCI FI Fridays block of original programming > made it the highest-rated network on all basic cable for the > night among males 25-54. The block featured the seventh-season > launch of Stargate SG-1 and new first-season episodes of > Tremors: The Series and Scare T

Re: On the topic of atheism.

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 09:31:01PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: > The statement is flawed. Saying a person is deluding themself simply > because the evidence they make their judgement on is unscientific is > wrong. If an atheist wants to say "There is no scientific evidence of > any god therefor

Re: On the topic of atheism.

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: On the topic of atheism. > On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:01:36PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > But if one is describing a be

Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles tohaveglobalreach)

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles tohaveglobalreach) > On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:37:35PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wr

Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality? L3

Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Doug Pensinger That makes little sense to me, could you step me through how (pseudo) altruism is circular? It starts with the premise that our characteristics are the result of evolution and

Re: On the topic of atheism.

From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:48:07PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: > > > Wrong, that's faith based as well. The problem with that wording > > is that there *is* evidence of a god. Documentation and reports of > > apparitions, stigmata, healing of "uncurab

Re: On the topic of atheism.

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:01:36PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > But if one is describing a being that is omnipotent, omniscient, > eternal, and infinite, then minds such as ours could not encompass > even the scope of such a being. Speak for yourself, man! My mind is certainly capable of the

Re: On the topic of atheism.

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: Re: On the topic of atheism. > On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:33:28PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: > > > For an atheist to say "There is

Re: On the topic of atheism.

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:48:07PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: > Wrong, that's faith based as well. The problem with that wording > is that there *is* evidence of a god. Documentation and reports of > apparitions, stigmata, healing of "uncurable" conditions through > prayer, other miracles, per

Re: On the topic of atheism.

From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:33:28PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: > > > For an atheist to say "There is no god, and people who believe in any > > god or gods are just deluding themselves". Requires faith. This > > statement, while > > On the other hand,

Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles tohaveglobalreach)

In a message dated 7/8/2003 5:42:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > "one-ups-manship" pissing matches. No one wins a pissing match when both are dropping, tied by their feet to a bungee cord. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailm

Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles tohaveglobalreach)

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:37:35PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Pretty much what I said in the last post. The biggest difference > between us is that you seem to take all this discussion very very > seriously as if your self esteem was at stake. I suppose thats why > you seem to want to turn v

Re: Same-sex marriage

From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Bryon Daly wrote: > > > >I think the *real* problem is that the gay marriage opponents have the > >dreaded "slippery slope" fear that if gay marriage is legiimized, then next > >will come other gay civil rights, etc., and soon they won't be able t

Re: On the topic of atheism.

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:33:28PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: > For an atheist to say "There is no god, and people who believe in any > god or gods are just deluding themselves". Requires faith. This > statement, while On the other hand, a slight change in your statement to: There is no ev

Re: Religion based ethics

Reggie Bautista wrote: Depends on what exactly you mean by our morals evolving. Some would say that right and wrong haven't changed, but our understanding of right and wrong has, just as gravity has been the same for the past 12 billion years but our understanding of gravity has changed. So by

Re: Religion based ethics

Nick Arnett wrote: Doug wrote: I see our morals evolving before our very eyes, don't you? The existence of evolution, whether in biology, morality or whatever, doesn't rule out the existence of God, does it? No, not necessarily, but it trumps the need for any kind of faith to understand morality.

On the topic of atheism.

JDG said that atheism requires faith. I both agree and disagree with that statement. For an atheist to say "I don't believe that any sort of god exists, because I have seen no evidence of the existence of any god." Requires no faith at all. They are only stating that they don't believe somethin

Re: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

Joshua Bell wrote: > >The first movie was released as _Pitch Black_ in the US. It's one of my >favorite recent SF flicks, and I'm very glad they're making a sequel >(prequel?); > Sequel. Riddick "dies" in the _Pitch Black_ movie, remember? :-) > it was a nicely gritty and (somewhat) realistic

Re: Same-sex marriage

Bryon Daly wrote: > >I think the *real* problem is that the gay marriage opponents have the >dreaded "slippery slope" fear that if gay marriage is legiimized, then next >will come other gay civil rights, etc., and soon they won't be able to >discriminate against gays at all! The horror! (and y

Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles tohaveglobalreach)

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles tohaveglobalreach) > On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 07:24:01PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wr

Re: Why we "cast" novels

I wrote: You can learn a lot about a person by how they would cast a movie. Jon replied: So what do you deduce about the director of Riddick based on his choices? :) Hmm... probably Vin Diesel had as much to say about casting, being a producer on this project from what I understand. And really, I

Re: Viacom sued for not supporting Star Trek franchise...

At 08:46 AM 7/8/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Bryon Daly wrote: > > Seems I'm not alone in thinking the ST franchise is being run into the > ground... > > http://www.activision.com/en_US/news_article_cc/a2d66498-9dde-49c0-ade0-fde70b0caab9.html > > > text off the page.> Try using an older brow

Re: Religion Discussion, was God, Religion and Sports

At 09:41 AM 7/8/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:42:43AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > I hope I haven't been guilty of yelling at anyone in the past, and I will Not that I know of. > try not to do so in the future. If I feel I have something to > contribute, I will try t

Re: Irregulars query: air pressure in spinning habitats

"Robert J. Chassell" wrote: ... > For those figuring out the air pressure question, would there be > differences if > > a) the structure was disc like, completely open on the inside > (other than support structures) > > b) wheel like, with the rim having air and four (or x) sp

Re: Irregulars query: air pressure in spinning habitats

> habitats that are wider than they are long are intrinsically stable I'm having trouble visualizing any of this. When you say 'longer than they are wide' do you mean like a cigarette or a can? And you are saying a habitat that is more like a wheel is more stable, right? Right.

Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels

In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France?  If anyone >who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside >from having read Lance Armstrong's _It's Not A

Re: Why we "cast" novels

In a message dated 7/8/2003 12:09:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > You can learn a lot about a person by how they would cast a movie. > > Reggie Bautista > The Niss machine in the movie signs off with: "That's all folks!" "Beoooruup." "Exit stage left.

Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels

Jon Gabriel wrote: > Honestly, it was just something that popped into my head during lunch. It's > not earthshatteringly important by any means. I just personally find the > irrational/rational/religion/sports/atheist/fundamentalist thread somewhat > snoozeworthy. :) 'course, that's just my opi

Re: Why we "cast" novels

From: "Reggie Bautista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why we "cast" novels Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:09:15 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > This brings up an interesting question: Who do y'all think > would the ideal cast of charact

More Sci-Fi Channel sadness....

This is a good news/bad news kind of thing, good that the sci-fi channel has some great ratings, sad at what it was that gave them the great ratings (I am not including Stargate in that statement) SCI FI Has Record Ratings he SCI FI Channel reported that it drew record ratings in the second qu

Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

I > > Could the "Week Anthropic Principle" be the hypothesis that the Earth was > > created in seven days? > The world was created in seven days, but it took 14 billion years or so for the OSHA and EPA paperwork to go through. William Taylor - The weak "as if I cared" pri

RE: br!n: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

> The first movie was released as _Pitch Black_ in the US. It's > one of my > favorite recent SF flicks, and I'm very glad they're making a sequel > (prequel?); it was a nicely gritty and (somewhat) realistic >From the Sci-Fi Wire Riddick Starts Up Principal photography commenced July 1

Re: God, Religion, and Sports Medicine

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 03:33:29PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: > It is not a comfortable one: the "tb's" lose the specialness of being > Graced by the Gift of Faith, and the "aa's" simply are unable to > 'sense the spiritual,' rather like being unable to distinguish red > from green. I don't fi

Re: God, Religion, and Sports Medicine

--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > Erik Reuter wrote: > > > > >In other words, is it easier for a > neutral-rational person to adopt > > >an extreme-irrational position, or for an > extreme-irrational person > > >to adopt a neutral-rational position? Interestin

Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 02:47:42PM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: > > Behalf Of Erik Reuter > > > But apparently, Nick, you don't want to always strive closer to > > perfect knowledge, you feel better when you add some comforting > > belief which is actually imperfect, poor quality knowledge. > > Phooe

RE: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Erik Reuter > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:24 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality? > > Isn't the reasonable response to imperfect knowledge to rati

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

William T. Goodall wrote: Yes it has. Apparently you were not paying attention. Cite, please? Reggie Bautista _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 08:24 pm, Reggie Bautista wrote: JDG wrote: Since true atheism would require a matter of faith - William T. Goodall replied: No it doesn't. All of this has been gone over many many times on this list and you obviously have never paid the least bit of attention, yet

Re: br!n: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 03:44 pm, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I read a resume of _The Chronicles of Riddick_ [not sure if this is the English title], featuring Vin Diesel in the continuation of _Eclipse something_. It sounds like a Jijo ripoff: the guy crashes in a multicultural planet that is a

Re: Why we "cast" novels

Bryon wrote: I don't think that "casting" a novel is all that much more pointless than, say, discussing how Glorfindel, killed in the Silmarillion, is alive and well to assist Frodo et al on the way to Rivendell. The movie sidestepped that one nicely :-) Reggie Bautista _

Re: Why we "cast" novels

From: "Reggie Bautista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Horn replied: Does anyone else *HATE* these sorts of discussions as much as I do? They are so unbelievably pointless! John, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I usually enjoy discussions like this. You learn a lot about people, and to som

Re: br!n: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

"Horn, John" wrote: > > Does anyone else *HATE* these sorts of discussions as much as I do? They > are so unbelievably pointless! I've never understood why people engage in > these discussions. After years of enduring endless threads who would would > be the best Gandalf on rec.arts.books.tolk

Re: Same-sex marriage

"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 12:54 PM 7/7/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > > >Many conservatives belong to the "religious right". I've had someone > >throwing Leviticus at me on this issue. > > I hope they at least tore it out before they did so, rather than throwing > all 66 books at you,

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

Ronn! wrote: > So I guess the question becomes "Which is the more neutral position, > the one that recognizes that belief and rationality are two different > characteristics, or the one which says that all believers are > irrational?" Erik replied: That it a very different question, and not nearly

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

JDG wrote: Since true atheism would require a matter of faith - William T. Goodall replied: No it doesn't. All of this has been gone over many many times on this list and you obviously have never paid the least bit of attention, yet you have the discourtesy to interject your nonsense despite not

Why we "cast" novels

Jon Gabriel wrote: > This brings up an interesting question: Who do y'all think > would the ideal cast of characters be for either an Uplift War > or Startide Rising movie? John Horn replied: (Jon, this is not personal. It is just something that I have to say. I can't hold it in though I know I

Re: Religion based ethics

Doug wrote: I see our morals evolving before our very eyes, don't you? Depends on what exactly you mean by our morals evolving. Some would say that right and wrong haven't changed, but our understanding of right and wrong has, just as gravity has been the same for the past 12 billion years but o

RE: brin: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

> From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This brings up an interesting question: Who do y'all think > would the ideal cast of characters be for either an Uplift War > or Startide Rising movie? (Jon, this is not personal. It is just something that I have to say. I can't hold it in tho

Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

Isn't the reasonable response to imperfect knowledge to rationally (or scientifically) search for more knowledge, or to work on improving the accuracy of the knowledge you do have? Why do you think a reasonable response to imperfect knowledge is to assume that there exists some divine being for

Re: brin: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: brin: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:44:21 - I read a resume of _The Chronicles of Riddick_ [no

Re: br!n: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I read a resume of _The Chronicles of Riddick_ [not sure if this is the English title], featuring Vin Diesel in the continuation of _Eclipse something_. The first movie was released as _Pitch Black_ in the US. It's one of my favorite recent SF flicks,

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Re: Irregulars query: air pressure in spinning habitats

From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Robert J. Chassell" wrote: > By the way, does anyone know why so many science fiction writers > descripe spinning space habitats as being longer than they are wide? > Such habitats are intrinsically unstable. But habitats that are wider > than they are lon

brin: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/

I read a resume of _The Chronicles of Riddick_ [not sure if this is the English title], featuring Vin Diesel in the continuation of _Eclipse something_. It sounds like a Jijo ripoff: the guy crashes in a multicultural planet that is at the same time invaded by a fanatic race. Alberto Monteiro _

RE: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Ronn!Blankenship ... > Could the "Week Anthropic Principle" be the hypothesis that the Earth was > created in seven days? No, that's the week anthropomorphic principle. Nick _

RE: No conflicts between selfishness and morality? L3

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger ... > The second part (altruism is an outcome of > > evolution) is circular, since it assumes that our characteristics are > > derived exclusively from evolutionary processes. Even if tr

RE: Religion based ethics

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger ... > Let me ask you this, Dan. If morals/ethics are purely a matter of > faith, and the "rules" as set forth by a god, why aren't they constant? > Why are slavery, human sacrifice, infa

Re: Viacom sued for not supporting Star Trek franchise...

Bryon Daly wrote: > > Seems I'm not alone in thinking the ST franchise is being run into the > ground... > > http://www.activision.com/en_US/news_article_cc/a2d66498-9dde-49c0-ade0-fde70b0caab9.html > > text off the page.> Try using an older browser. >:) First three paragraphs: Complaint Ci

Re: Religion Discussion, was God, Religion and Sports

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:42:43AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > I hope I haven't been guilty of yelling at anyone in the past, and I will Not that I know of. > try not to do so in the future. If I feel I have something to > contribute, I will try to be articulate. I am still awaiting one o

Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles tohaveglobalreach)

On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 07:24:01PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > I can understand you seeing it that way, but I think the difference > is in how we each approach the problem. Each of us is engineering an > elevator using bungee cord for cable. You are engineering it with > a mind to exaggerate

Re: Religion Discussion, was God, Religion and Sports

At 07:46 AM 7/8/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote: > > > > "Agnostic" means "not knowing", right? I don't really > > > >see that there is much to DISAGREE with there. You might personally > > > >KNOW, but should be open to the possibility that others don't. > > > > > > I'm not sure what you ar

Re: Religion Discussion, was God, Religion and Sports

> > > > "Agnostic" means "not knowing", right? I don't really > > > >see that there is much to DISAGREE with there. You might personally > > > >KNOW, but should be open to the possibility that others don't. > > > > > > I'm not sure what you are getting at in the last paragraph. Let's ch

Re: Religion Discussion, was God, Religion and Sports

At 09:19 AM 7/7/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 01:23 PM 7/4/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote: > >iaamoac wrote: > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you want a serious discussion of religion, we s

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Re: Same-sex marriage

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, the idea that permitting same-sex couples to form legal civil marriages will somehow negatively impact on heterosexual marriages is the worst kind of hysterical irrationality. Is there some finite number of marriages permitted in the physical universe, so that we c