Virgin Birth!

2004-04-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=513986 A mouse has been created in the laboratory by a technique that does away with the need for males in reproduction, a breakthrough that raises the prospect of fatherless babies. The mouse was generated from two

A Reversal of the Parties

2004-04-22 Thread iaamoac
There is an interesting editorial in today's Wall St. Journal. Going beyond the short-term nailing of Kerry for flip-flopping on the primacy of democracy or stability in Iraq, a much bigger case is made. Namely that we may be experiencing a historic reversal of the parties. Students of

Re: Virgin Birth!

2004-04-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
A mouse has been created in the laboratory by a technique that does away with the need for males in reproduction, a breakthrough that raises the prospect of fatherless babies. Bah. It's not Virgin Birth. It's a little different from artificial insemination. Males are obsolete :-) Alberto

Thousands Turned Away from the Polls in CA on super tuesday

2004-04-22 Thread The Fool
http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2100333,00.html ... Diebold Election Services Inc. president Bob Urosevichadmitted this and more, and apologized for any embarrassment. We were caught. We apologize for that, Urosevich said of the mass failures of devices needed to call

Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040422_314.html A national group of Christian leaders is sending a scathing letter to President Bush to coincide with Earth Day, accusing his administration of chipping away at the Clean Air Act. The National Council of Churches argued that planned changes to

Re: Happiness is

2004-04-22 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Kevin Tarr wrote: Getting your taxes done two days earlyand the printer's ink quits after two pages. I work 13 hours tomorrow and then need to drive three hours for a Thursday meeting with nursing home people. I'll be lucky to be back by 6pm, with or without new ink cartridges. This made

Scouted: Diebold may face charges in CA

2004-04-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
This is a preliminary snippet of an article - I suspect Kneem will link more (if he hasn't already - List seems slow today?). :P http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-5197870.html SACRAMENTO, Calif.--California election officials on Thursday recommended banning some Diebold Election Systems voting

Re: Happiness is

2004-04-22 Thread Damon Agretto
This made me smile. The Dutch file income taxes on-line. No more paper, and you can even send it a couple of minuts before the deadline ends. huge grin No more paper hassels. That is untill they start checking the darn things and demand all the copies that prove the deductions you

Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, if one thinks that Armegeddon is just 'round the corner, one might ignore possible future consequences of one's actions. Debbi Responsible Stewards Maru And if one is so fiercely committed to defeating Republicans that one entirely

Re: Scouted: Diebold may face charges in CA

2004-04-22 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: This is a preliminary snippet of an article - I suspect Kneem will link more (if he hasn't already - List seems slow today?). :P He already did. :) I'm guessing you sent this before you got his post on the subject. Julia who is contemplating sending links

More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Gautam Mukunda
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/22/EDGKO68MID1.DTL An excellent article by Nick Shulz and the co-founder of Green Peace on the failures of the environmental movement. My particular passion on this topic is easily explainable. Norman Borlaug has saved

Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, if one thinks that Armegeddon is just 'round the corner, one might ignore possible future consequences of one's actions. Debbi Responsible Stewards Maru And if one is so fiercely

Re: Thousands Turned Away from the Polls in CA on super tuesday

2004-04-22 Thread Thomas Beck
We're sorry for the inconvenience of the voters, Urosevich said. Inconvenience? To call that putting it mildly is putting it mildly. Weren't they actually disenfranchised? asked Tony Miller, chief counsel to the state's elections division. After a moment, Urosevich agreed: Yes, sir. Duh!

Re: unguarded Iraqi nuclear facilities

2004-04-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
this, but as Rob pointed out, medical sources are a relatively unrecognized source, and are quite poorly guarded in general. There's even missing fuel rods here in the USA [entire article pasted]: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=718e=7u=/ap/20040422/ap_on_re_us/nuclear_fuel_missing

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some snippage http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/22/EDGKO68MID1.DTL An excellent article by Nick Shulz and the co-founder of Green Peace on the failures of the environmental movement. My particular passion on

Re: unguarded Iraqi nuclear facilities

2004-04-22 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who probably ought to ask somebody to show her how to make those shorter-link thingies, as others have been chastised for such awkward URLs }:-} 1) Open a browser window and go to the link-shortener site of your choice. I like tinyurl.com, myself. 2) Cut

Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam: this administration's proposed alterations to the Clean Air Act allow increased mercury emissions, yet guidelines for consumption of mercury-containing fish (such as tuna) by pregnant women and young children have already been recently

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a doctor, the notion of just allowing people to starve to death is repulsive -- that's why groups like The Heifer Project, who promote environmentally sustainable economic growth on a tiny scale (helping individual families with training and

RE: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread Mike Lee
Julia, in snottier-than-thou mode: That's really brilliant -- counter an ad hominem argument with another one. You got it! I was so afraid that would go over everyone's heads. Now, there may be some irony intended in that. I'll assume that ML is calculating enough to have planted the

RE: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread Mike Lee
David Hobby thinks that workers are coerced into taking dangerous jobs and that government can make us all safe: That's a great laissez-faire argument, which I might even accept if unemployment were sufficiently low that it was clear that employees had some other options. Are you really

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: RE: This time I won't blame Bush David Hobby thinks that workers are coerced into taking dangerous jobs and that government can make us

RE: Virgin Birth!

2004-04-22 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Virgin Birth! Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:23:16 -0500 http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=513986 Interesting. Incidentally, I now know how

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Kevin Tarr
On Earth Day Remember: If Environmentalism Succeeds, It Will Make Human Life Impossible By Michael S. Berliner Earth Day approaches, and with it a grave danger faces mankind. The danger is not from acid rain, global warming, smog, or the logging of rain forests, as environmentalists

Re: Low cal for long life?

2004-04-22 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 03:42 PM 4/20/2004, you wrote: I won't be trying this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4783035/ Tom Beck (PBS show about low cal diets and long life) http://tinyurl.com/2vvvq Doctor featured on the show. He was born June 29, 1924 and I assume still going strong: http://www.walford.com/

Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread Erik Reuter
Here's information on mercury in fish, several years old. I don't know what Bush has done to help or hurt, but mercury in fish from environmental contamination is definitely an issue: *** THE MERCURY PROBLEM One persistent problem is that unacceptably high levels of toxic methylmercury

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread The Fool
Dr. Brin, several right-wingers on the list have been posting screeds like this one against the environment and environmentalism. I am curious as to your thoughts on the matter, as I think this particular article is one of the most mendacious pieces of propaganda ever written. -- From:

Re: unguarded Iraqi nuclear facilities

2004-04-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: Re: unguarded Iraqi nuclear facilities Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who probably ought to ask somebody to show her how to make

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: RE: This time I won't blame Bush Julia, in snottier-than-thou mode: That's really brilliant -- counter an ad hominem argument with

Re: Virgin Birth!

2004-04-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: RE: Virgin Birth! From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Virgin Birth!

Re: Virgin Birth!

2004-04-22 Thread Damon Agretto
Interesting. Incidentally, I now know how Anakin Skywalker was conceived! Here I thought it was midichlorians...now I know it was mouse eggs! Damon, either that or a bad script... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

[L3] Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam: this administration's proposed alterations to the Clean Air Act allow increased mercury emissions, yet guidelines for consumption of mercury-containing fish (such as tuna) by pregnant women and

Re: unguarded Iraqi nuclear facilities

2004-04-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who probably ought to ask somebody to show her how to make those shorter-link thingies, as others have been chastised for such awkward URLs }:-} 1) Open a

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 06:25:43PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: You don't have a BOZO in your job title do you? (An obscure reference you won't get unless you actually do have BOZO in your job title) Wrong wringer. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread William T Goodall
On 22 Apr 2004, at 10:34 pm, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam: this administration's proposed alterations to the Clean Air Act allow increased mercury emissions, yet guidelines for consumption of mercury-containing fish (such as tuna) by pregnant women and

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:30 PM Subject: Re: This time I won't blame Bush On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 06:25:43PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: You don't have a BOZO in your job

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: That's how I figure it. But do we have a ringer? Yes, but this one is harmless and doesn't need to be out'ed. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Davd Brin
Thanks for sending this. My response is complex so please let me put it into context. 1) The Left-vs-Right political axis is a piece of arrant nonsense that I have inveighed against before. If nothing else can kill this undead piece of mind-limiting drivel, it should be the fact that the damn

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: This time I won't blame Bush On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: That's how I figure it. But do we

Re: This time I won't blame Bush

2004-04-22 Thread David Hobby
Mike Lee wrote: David Hobby thinks that workers are coerced into taking dangerous jobs and that government can make us all safe: Mike-- If you mischaracterize my position, I won't discuss things with you. Basta. That's a great laissez-faire argument, which I might even accept if

Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread Julia Thompson
William T Goodall wrote: And I buy free-range eggs because even chickens deserve a little happiness Maru :) Dunno if y'all have problems with salmonella in the eggs in the UK, but eggs from free-range chickens are significantly less likely to be carrying salmonella. Happy chickens are good.

Re: [L3] Re: Scouted: Protecting Creation on Earth Day

2004-04-22 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Yahoo is truncating messages again, so I can't quote Debbi. Damn. We appear to agree that the charges against the Bush Administration about mercury have been vastly exaggerated. What does it say, btw, that with absolutely no knowledge of the

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 4/22/04 7:08 PM, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious as to your thoughts on the matter, as I think this particular article is one of the most mendacious pieces of propaganda ever written. Kevin, take this as a complement from Kneem! Because we all know what he posts it the