Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

> From: Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Alas, qbasic and xbasic were incomprehensible. In > trying to 'modernize', they made it impossible to > figure out how to type a few lines and run them to see > what happens. Not really qbasic works very similarly to gwbasic. The main difference is that

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

Alas, qbasic and xbasic were incomprehensible. In trying to 'modernize', they made it impossible to figure out how to type a few lines and run them to see what happens. Ybasic has a friendly-looking intro page. (Thanks). I shall look it over soon. meanwhile, everybody thrive. And visit JibJab

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

At 11:13 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, Julia Thompson wrote: The Fool wrote: > > I used AppleBasic on Apple II's and gwBasic on DOS 3 when I was younger. > And I'm one of the youngest members of brin-l. I even took a class in > applebasic in the seventh grade. I know run. > Am I the only one flashing on

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

The Fool wrote: > > I used AppleBasic on Apple II's and gwBasic on DOS 3 when I was younger. > And I'm one of the youngest members of brin-l. I even took a class in > applebasic in the seventh grade. I know run. > Am I the only one flashing on "And you are no Jack Kennedy"? Julia wh

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

> From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 12 Aug 2004, at 3:20 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > > At 08:49 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, William T Goodall wrote: > > > >> On 12 Aug 2004, at 1:55 am, Davd Brin wrote: > >>> There is nothing at all resembling a simple > >>> place to write line by

Re: Interesting times . . .

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:34:56 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <> > > They've called off the search for the night after 7 hours . . . > > Ronald W. ("Ronn!") Blankenship > 1329 McCoy Street Cheers. ( http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_r

Interesting times . . .

<> They've called off the search for the night after 7 hours . . . Ronald W. ("Ronn!") Blankenship 1329 McCoy Street ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall [was: Fight The Future: EncryptedScrews]

> From: Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I think you all miss the point. > > I have dozens of old books with simple BASIC programs > in them that tell the computer to compute or to move a > dot in ways that show the vital importance of a simple > algorithm at creating what appears on the screen.

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

On 12 Aug 2004, at 3:20 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, William T Goodall wrote: On 12 Aug 2004, at 1:55 am, Davd Brin wrote: There is nothing at all resembling a simple place to write line by line code and simply typr "run". And 'run' would come to mind for who? Anyone

Re: free trade and the balance of trade problem

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: free trade and the balance of trade problem > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:59:54PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > > > Playing with

Fwd: Gorilla asks for HELP!

Another link from LarryNiven-L, that's even more topical on Brin-L: Gorilla Seeks Help Using Sign Language http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=10&aid=809022602_5310_lead_story Koko the gorilla makes very specific complaints about her toothache, and gets excellent service. [Insert HMO jo

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall

David Brin wrote: > > It's really much simpler than that. I am a Mac user > who reluctantly bought an XP/Vaio horror in order to > run games and some other things for the kids. > Then it's not the end of the world. You probably can give it a dual boot. Let the kids chose Windoze for games, and Lin

Fwd: Chances of aliens finding Earth disappearing

<>An interesting link posted to LarryNiven-L: Chances of aliens finding Earth disappearing http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns6255 Frank Gasperik: > A very narrow window here. Maybe that's why we can't find > aliens, they all watch CABLE! _

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall

--- Alberto Monteiro: > David Brin wrote: > >> >> I think YU miss the point. As I said, you can > get> >> BASIC on Linux> > > > Fascinating. Except that it will be absurd for me > to> > switch to Linux for that purpose. > > > Why? You did switch from DOS to Windows 3.1, then > from Windows 3.1 t

Re: Brin: BASIC, Java Etc.

On Aug 11, 2004, at 6:55 PM, Davd Brin wrote: I shall try ybasic, thanks. But after the horror of trying xbasic and qbasic and all the others, I do not expect much success. All were created by techies who suffer from techie-disease... an absolute assumption that everyboddy who downloads their com

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

At 08:49 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, William T Goodall wrote: On 12 Aug 2004, at 1:55 am, Davd Brin wrote: There is nothing at all resembling a simple place to write line by line code and simply typr "run". And 'run' would come to mind for who? Anyone old enough to know BASIC? -- Ronn! :) "Earth is th

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

At 07:55 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, Davd Brin wrote: > There are many freely and easily available > compilers in many > languages so this doesn't really disturb me. I've > heard Yet Another > Basic is good (though I haven't used it myself): > http://www.yabasic.de/ I shall try ybasic, thanks. But aft

RE: Indivisible (was: Karmic slappage)

From: Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Indivisible (was: Karmic slappage) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:49:07 -0700 (PDT) > Travis Edmunds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: Deborah Harrell <[EM

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall

David Brin wrote: > >> I think YOU miss the point. As I said, you can get >> BASIC on Linux > > Fascinating. Except that it will be absurd for me to > switch to Linux for that purpose. > Why? You did switch from DOS to Windows 3.1, then from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95, then from Windows 98 to Wind

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

On 12 Aug 2004, at 1:55 am, Davd Brin wrote: There is nothing at all resembling a simple place to write line by line code and simply typr "run". And 'run' would come to mind for who? I want Z=2x, x=1, print Z. That is so obvious! Damn those computer elitists for their needless obfuscation! -- Wi

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

In a message dated 8/11/2004 1:58:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I swear, I CANNOT GET A MACHINE WITH SIMPLE BASIC IN > ORDER TO TEACH IT TO MY SON! I'm reminded of the Art Bell time travelor who had to go back in time to get an older computer to fix the Y2K pr

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

> There are many freely and easily available > compilers in many > languages so this doesn't really disturb me. I've > heard Yet Another > Basic is good (though I haven't used it myself): > http://www.yabasic.de/ I shall try ybasic, thanks. But after the horror of trying xbasic and qbasic and

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

Folks, First of all, thanks to The Fool for scouting this -- it's an interesting read, and it jibes with the experience I'm having with the radio in my Honda recently (the battery went dead due to a broken thermostat that left the electric radiator fan running all night, now the "anti-theft" radio

Re: Objective Evil

> JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Deborah Harrell wrote: > >Please explain, then, how any war can be "just," > >since > >it is inevitable that innocents will be killed, > >maimed and left bereft by. > I could say the same thing about automobiles. > does that mean that > driving automo

Re: Every Single Sperm

On 12 Aug 2004, at 12:08 am, Russell Chapman wrote: I have three children from 2 intentional breaks in contraception, and until very recently did not have the resources to raise them as I would have liked - I'd hate to think how a catholic family who genuinely avoided artificial contraception an

AIDS (was: Objective Evil)

> Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: "Damon Agretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Yeah, but if the Church encourages the use of > condoms > > to check the spread of AIDS, it would also be > > encouraging the practice of pre- or extra-marital > > sex as well, which from a Catholic standpoi

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

On 11 Aug 2004, at 11:56 pm, Bryon Daly wrote: For example: most DVDs are region-encoded and can only be played on machines from their native area. In the UK it is very easy to buy a multi-region DVD player which will ignore region-encoding and play any DVD. I bought one from Amazon.co.uk last we

Re: Irregulars question: Angel finale

At 01:41 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Uh? I saw it yesterday, and I didn't get the point. Wtf? Also, brazilian Fox crippled the episode, by inserting commercials in the middle of the scenes, then showing long intervals of a black screen. Did the series terminate just before a big f

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall [was: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws]

At 05:55 PM Wednesday 8/11/04, Davd Brin wrote: --- Erik said: > I think YOU miss the point. As I said, you can get > BASIC on Linux Fascinating. Except that it will be absurd for me to switch to Linux for that purpose. Moreover, while Linux will save the world from the horrors of Windows, it wi

Re: Every Single Sperm

JDG wrote: I was seriously asking how priests got involved in contraception. You have proven so knowledgeable about the Catholic religion, and been able to explain much that seemed a mystery to me in the past - I figured there was a good chance you knew the answer... Basically, since the time o

Re: Every Single Sperm

JDG wrote: Come on, surely if God can regulate the eating of crustaceans and hoofed animals, surely he can regulate contraception! Not that I personally believe those parts of the bible were put there under a genuine divine inspiration, they are at least in the bible. My question, as it has been t

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT), Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But as a contrarian it is my job to ask people to step > back. In this case, The Fool needs to ponder whether > his reaction to centralized control is unique. Or > whether, in fact, the future he describes will cr

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall [was: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws]

--- Erik said: > I think YOU miss the point. As I said, you can get > BASIC on Linux Fascinating. Except that it will be absurd for me to switch to Linux for that purpose. Moreover, while Linux will save the world from the horrors of Windows, it will also set the stage for the Chinese to pul

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall [was: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 03:28:52PM -0700, Davd Brin wrote: > I think you all miss the point. I think YOU miss the point. As I said, you can get BASIC on Linux if you insist (actually, I just spent 30 seconds looking at Debian packages and Debian has 2 free choices: Bywater BASIC Interpreter and "

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall [was: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws]

I think you all miss the point. I have dozens of old books with simple BASIC programs in them that tell the computer to compute or to move a dot in ways that show the vital importance of a simple algorithm at creating what appears on the screen. If I had BASIC I could sit with my son and type in

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall [was: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws]

On 11 Aug 2004, at 10:21 pm, Alberto Monteiro wrote: David Brin wrote: My biggest example is the silent, unnoticed vanishing of any programming language from personal computers. I swear, I CANNOT GET A MACHINE WITH SIMPLE BASIC IN ORDER TO TEACH IT TO MY SON! Format & Reinstall. My computer runs Li

Re: free trade and the balance of trade problem

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:59:54PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > Playing with numbers I took the accumulated balance of trade imbalance > in goods and services since 1960 and divided it by the GDP. This is > akin to dividing the total household debt by the household income. > When we have a balance

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall [was: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 09:21:20PM +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > David Brin wrote: > > > > My biggest example is the silent, unnoticed vanishing > > of any programming language from personal computers. > > > > I swear, I CANNOT GET A MACHINE WITH SIMPLE BASIC IN > > ORDER TO TEACH IT TO MY SON!

Re: Every Single Sperm

> Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Situation is still very strict here, but there are > many shades of the > religious. Refusing vaccination on grounds of > religious believes is > allowed and still very much an issue. There have > been numerous studies > to see if ther

Re: Irregulars question: Angel finale

On 11 Aug 2004, at 7:41 pm, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Uh? I saw it yesterday, and I didn't get the point. Wtf? The Wild Bunch. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Some of them might survive... Also, brazilian Fox crippled the episode, by inserting commercials in the middle of the scenes, then show

Re: Every Single Sperm

The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Children are parasites. Some species eat their own 'children'. and elsewhere: > ... Love is merely an illusion created by > various feedback circuits and dopamine receptors in a human brain, the > primary purpose of which is to ensure the survival and rep

Re: More on domestic mammal vision

I wrote: > This site is more for the pet owner, and has some > very nice color graphics ...but forgot to give the link!!! Oh, the shame!!! http://www.earthlife.net/mammals/vision.html Debbi I Thought I Checked Twice Before Sending Maru :P ___

Re: Horses

> Julia Randolph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Deborah Harrell wrote > > That other grazing animals have this same type of > > color vision (assuming the first site cited above > is > > correct) would certainly point to an evolutionary > > advantage -- after all, how else to describe the > > grea

Brin: Format & Reinstall [was: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws]

David Brin wrote: > > My biggest example is the silent, unnoticed vanishing > of any programming language from personal computers. > > I swear, I CANNOT GET A MACHINE WITH SIMPLE BASIC IN > ORDER TO TEACH IT TO MY SON! > Format & Reinstall. My computer runs Linux _most_ of the time, except when my

Re: Spiritual development

> Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sounds like you've got a long hard path to > atheism. Good luck. > > Sometimes you're really annoying, you know? > It IS annoying when someone is con

More on domestic mammal vision

This is a 2002 veterinarian-oriented site, with stuff about diopters and all that I only vaguely recall anything about; the quotes below are from below the advert about a vet tonometer (to measure pressure in the eye - like checking for glaucoma in humans). Visual fields and blind spots, as well a

Irregulars question: Angel finale

Uh? I saw it yesterday, and I didn't get the point. Wtf? Also, brazilian Fox crippled the episode, by inserting commercials in the middle of the scenes, then showing long intervals of a black screen. Did the series terminate just before a big fight, or was it another screw up by Fox.br? Alberto M

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

On Aug 11, 2004, at 1:41 PM, Davd Brin wrote: My biggest example is the silent, unnoticed vanishing of any programming language from personal computers. I swear, I CANNOT GET A MACHINE WITH SIMPLE BASIC IN ORDER TO TEACH IT TO MY SON! It has taken 2 years, and I hope to get an old pentium machine s

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws > > Imagine a world where you cannot take apart > anything, or attempting to > take apart devices, open computer cases, install 3rd > party replacement > parts or modifying an existing device was completely > banned by g

[L3] Re: Horses as Prey Animals

Here is what I put together about horses based on various comments to me from my first post. I do not know anything about horses; this is all new to me. The psychology of being a herd animal got me going. However, I also get carried away thinking about vision. Incidentally, I never did figure

Weekly Chat Reminder

As Steve said, "The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of re

Re: Every Single Sperm

The Fool wrote: > > Whatever popists may believe--or say they believe--It is mathematically > impossible to prove the existence of Dog. Therefor any and all things > attributed to said deit(y|ies) is supposition. Because their no > mathematical way to prove the existence of said deit(y|ies) it is

Re: Every Single Sperm

The Fool wrote: > >> there were anti-conception herbs. > > ...That very worked so well they very quickly went extinct. > Not so quickly. The Roman Empire lasted for about 500 years [counting from the time they won the 1st Punic War to the fall of the Western Empire]. But maybe, like the USA Empire

free trade and the balance of trade problem

While I am for free trade, there is one arguement that I've never been able to figure out: the arguement that the balance of trade deficit doesn't really matter because its so small. I can understand why debts that remain small, when expressed in terms of total income, are not a problem. But this

A pox on both your houses

I just saw this "pox on both your houses" commentary by Sebastian Mallaby. I don't fully agree with it. In my opinion, there is too wide a range of things that have gone wrong in exactly the same way to attribute it to pure bungling. I am looking at expressing the problem as two parts of a dilemm

Re: Every Single Sperm

At 12:44 AM 8/11/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote: >JDG wrote: >> >> ... and until the scientific discovery of ovum >> and sperm, there probably wasn't much theological difference between >> abortion and contraception. >> >I _think_ I read somewhere about roman condoms, made of some >animal intern

Re: Every Single Sperm

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:25:03 -0500, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > JDG wrote: > > > > > > ... and until the scientific discovery of ovum > > > and sperm, there probably wasn't much theological difference between > > > abortion and contrace

RE: Objective Evil

> Seeing the above, I am beginning to see why you hate > religion so > much... Yes, it explains a lot. I remember working with a JW and EVERY day she tried to "convert" me, etc. As much as I wanted to deconstruct her beliefs and illustrate false assumptions, I resisted. Still, if the Fool is defi

Re: Every Single Sperm

> From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 09:44 AM Wednesday 8/11/04, The Fool wrote: > > > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > At 06:41 AM Wednesday 8/11/04, The Fool wrote: > > > > > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > If there is a God, wh

RE: Objective Evil

> Behalf Of The Fool > -- > According to my entire extended family on both sides, you are wrong. > Also according to the 'literature' (propaganda) they try and > pawn off on me, they do indeed call themselves 'christians' and consider > themselves to be the only true 'christians' and that everyo

Re: Every Single Sperm

At 09:44 AM Wednesday 8/11/04, The Fool wrote: > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 06:41 AM Wednesday 8/11/04, The Fool wrote: > > > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > If there is a God, why is it inconceivable? > > > >First prove the existence of a deity. > > No

Re: Fwd: D-Day, 2004.

> the habitat of the spineless French crab was Oooh...bad, BAD Ronn!! Damon. :P = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building:

Re: Every Single Sperm

> From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 06:41 AM Wednesday 8/11/04, The Fool wrote: > > > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > If there is a God, why is it inconceivable? > > > >First prove the existence of a deity. > > Not necessary to answer that question. If thei

Fwd: D-Day, 2004.

How Would the D-Day Invasion be Reported today? (This is what you would hear if today's media reported on D-Day at Normandy) June 6, 1944. -NORMANDY- Three hundred French civilians were killed and thousands more wounded today in the first hours of America's invasion of continental Europe. Casualt

Re: Every Single Sperm

At 06:41 AM Wednesday 8/11/04, The Fool wrote: > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If there is a God, why is it inconceivable? First prove the existence of a deity. Not necessary to answer that question. -- Ronn! :) "Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain in the crad

RE: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...

JDG wrote: > First, let me reiterate that there are simply no excuses for > this security breach (if indeed the facts we have our true - > which of course is the only possible means of discussion, but > it should be kept vaguely in the back of our heads that > anything having to do with intel

Re: Every Single Sperm

> From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 02:59 PM 8/8/04, The Fool wrote: > > > From: JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > At 10:32 AM 8/7/2004 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: > > > >When it threatened to decrease the number of flock considerably or > >more > > > >to the point wh

Re: Every Single Sperm

> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > JDG wrote: > > > > ... and until the scientific discovery of ovum > > and sperm, there probably wasn't much theological difference between > > abortion and contraception. > > > I _think_ I read somewhere about roman condoms, made of some > animal i

Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws Imagine a world where you cannot take apart anything, or attempting to take apart devices, open computer cases, install 3rd party replacement parts or modifying an existing device was completely banned by greedy corporations through technology. A kind of tamper-

Re: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...

On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 11:45:57PM -0400, JDG wrote: > Due to this security breach, however, we now know that the terror > alert was real, and based on breaking information. We do? How do you know the terror alert was based on information resulting from using Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan? From what

Re: Every Single Sperm

JDG wrote: > > ... and until the scientific discovery of ovum > and sperm, there probably wasn't much theological difference between > abortion and contraception. > I _think_ I read somewhere about roman condoms, made of some animal internal body parts. I don't know how effective they were. And the

Re: Democrats

JDG wrote: > > It seems to me that this poll indicates that 36% of Democrats are seriously > detached from reality, and that a majority of Democrats favor surrendering > to the terrorists. > And why would USAns be different from Spaniards? :-P Alberto Monteiro

Study Shows Why Republicans Are Desperate to Ratchet Up the Fear Level

<> Fear of Death Wins Minds and Votes, Study Finds Thu Jul 29,11:13 AM ET By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush ( - ) may be tapping into solid huma

Re: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...

> From: JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 08:52 AM 8/11/2004 +0530 Ritu wrote: > >> Apologies from Democrats for playing politics with the Terror > >> Warnings were not forthcoming. > > > >Could kindly explain this comment please? > >Try as I might, I fail to see how the topic of a Democrat apology

Re: Avian Magnetic Vision (was Re: Horses)

> From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Aug 10, 2004, at 3:33 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: > > > > >> From: "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:25:13 + (UTC) > >> > >> Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > >> > >> ... some types of birds have fi

Re: Every Single Sperm

> From: JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 04:51 PM 8/9/2004 +1000 Russell Chapman wrote: > >JDG wrote: > >> Is it so inconceivable that maybe - just maybe - they sincerely believe > >> that God does not want us to engage in contraception? > > > >Well, yes - if there's no basis for it. > >No scripture

Re: Objective Evil

> From: JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 10:53 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: > > > >From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> At 10:14 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: > >> >> >>And dropping bombs on Saddam Hussein's armies was not evil. > >> >> > > >> >> >So, the action of killing conscri

Re: Objective Evil

-- From: Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Behalf Of The Fool > -- > From: Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> They certainly don't consider themselves Christian or at least don't >> call themselves that. > If you are referring to JW's here you are quite mistaken. According to my