Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering at central tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread The Fool
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: The GEMS program runs on a Microsoft Access database. Don't be stupid. It's not a problem with any microsoft product. I've posted about the dibold 3 sets of accounting books before, and it has nothing to do with

Re: Groveling Apologies

2004-09-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 09:31:36PM +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: So, WTG should have put something like: 0 18 * * 3 send mail... Instead, he wrote: * 18 * * 3 send mail... One defensive practice with cron is to NEVER leave the first field blank. If you really want something to

Re: Salon.com News Stung! - complete so you don't have to watch the ad

2004-09-09 Thread William T Goodall
On 9 Sep 2004, at 11:01 am, Gary Denton wrote: I have corresponded with Paul Lukasiak a number of times as it often seemed he and I and only a couple other people were the only ones who bothering to look at Bush's records. I remember seeing Scotty waving those microfiches in his hand at the

Quiet

2004-09-09 Thread William T Goodall
isn't it? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX. - Ken Olsen, President of DEC, 1984.

Re: Quiet

2004-09-09 Thread kerry miller
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't it? Still getting caught up in the (lack of) fallout from last nights 60 Minutes. ...that and prepping for the Seattle Sounders A-League Western Division Playoffs this weekend! ...and for playing poker tomorrow; mmm, 3/6 or 4/8... ...and

Re: Quiet

2004-09-09 Thread Damon Agretto
Still getting caught up in the (lack of) fallout from last nights 60 Minutes. Did I miss something important? Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread d.brin
News item 9/9/04: MIAMI - Tourists and residents were told Thursday they will have to leave the Florida Keys to avoid mighty Hurricane Ivan, even as the state still struggled with the misery left by Hurricanes Frances and Charley. Gov. Jeb Bush said the state had no choice but to go through

Re: Salon.com News Stung! - complete so you don't have to watch the ad

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:35 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 9 Sep 2004, at 11:01 am, Gary Denton wrote: I have corresponded with Paul Lukasiak a number of times as it often seemed he and I and only a couple other people were the only ones who bothering to look at Bush's records. I remember seeing

Christians vs. Children's Books

2004-09-09 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=articlearticleid=22182 Fifteen minutes of the video is just grainy footage of a moronic debate they taped off MSNBC. In it, a bookstore buyer and a Southern man argue over whether children should be allowed to read Harry Potter books. Its brought

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering at central tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 9, 2004, at 2:32 AM, The Fool wrote: From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: The GEMS program runs on a Microsoft Access database. Don't be stupid. It's not a problem with any microsoft product. I've posted about the dibold 3 sets of accounting books before, and

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentral tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: The GEMS program runs on a Microsoft Access database. Don't be stupid. It's not a problem with any microsoft product. I've posted about the dibold 3 sets of accounting books before, and it

Re: Quiet

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 9, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: Still getting caught up in the (lack of) fallout from last nights 60 Minutes. Did I miss something important? Former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben helping George Bush get into the National Guard was the worst thing I ever did Barnes was to be interviewed.

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 8, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: Any huge change in mankind would be suppressed by the other 6 billion human beings. So far that hasn't happened. Socially and technologically tremendous changes have taken place in the last 200 years and not been

Re: Christians vs. Children's Books

2004-09-09 Thread Damon Agretto
http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=articlearticleid=22182 The entire article is worthy of reading... I've played Dungeons Dragons for slightly over 20 years. I have never had the urge to drink unicorn blood, thankfully. Though there was that one time where I was a captive of an

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 9, 2004, at 11:20 AM, d.brin wrote: Well, it doesn't take Hollywood to explain this. How about just some old fashioned election year Wrath of God for what Florida did to the world four years ago, and a warning not to cheat in favor of thieving morons once again? It's abundantly clear to

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering at central tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread The Fool
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 9, 2004, at 2:32 AM, The Fool wrote: From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: The GEMS program runs on a Microsoft Access database. Don't be stupid. It's not a problem with any microsoft product. I've

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentral tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 9, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: I've noticed that a lot of people who are pro open-source can be fanatical about it. Well, you can find that anywhere -- religion becoming politics, for instance; that is, someone believing he's got something so wonderful that he simply has to

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering at central tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 9, 2004, at 12:11 PM, The Fool wrote: Well some people go on and on about how terrible windows is and how IE crashes, and etc. and it's all bullshit. I've had my windows NT system up for more than a month without a single problem. I have more than 80 IE instances open (queued up to read

Re: Christians vs. Children's Books

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 9, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=articlearticleid=22182 How stupid do people think kids are? (Rhetorical question: I know for a fact that the answer is 7). Like many generations of parents before me, I have read various folk and

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering at central tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread William T Goodall
On 9 Sep 2004, at 8:11 pm, The Fool wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 9, 2004, at 2:32 AM, The Fool wrote: From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: The GEMS program runs on a Microsoft Access database. Don't be stupid. It's not a problem with any microsoft

Re: Quiet

2004-09-09 Thread Damon Agretto
Former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben helping George Bush get into the National Guard was the worst thing I ever did Barnes was to be interviewed. Oh yes. That. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering at central tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Damon Agretto
On the personal level, the fact is that we use the OS we want to use. We use the one we're comfortable with. Getting defensive (or offensive) over it is as foolish as a bunch of high school punks arguing over whether Chevy or Ford is the better vehicle. That's easy. Ford is superior.

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering at central tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread The Fool
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9 Sep 2004, at 8:11 pm, The Fool wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 9, 2004, at 2:32 AM, The Fool wrote: From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: The GEMS program runs on a Microsoft Access

Re: Quiet

2004-09-09 Thread The Fool
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 9, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: Still getting caught up in the (lack of) fallout from last nights 60 Minutes. Did I miss something important? Former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben helping George Bush get into the National Guard was the

Re: Christians vs. Children's Books

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 9, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: I've played Dungeons Dragons for slightly over 20 years. I have never had the urge to drink unicorn blood, thankfully. That's because you don't drink it, silly: Unicorn Blood Pudding 1 qt. Unicorn's blood 3/4 lb. bread crumbs,

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentral tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 9, 2004, at 2:32 AM, The Fool wrote: From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: The GEMS program runs on a Microsoft Access database. Don't be stupid. It's not a problem with any

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentraltabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: I've noticed that a lot of people who are pro open-source can be fanatical about it. Well, you can find that anywhere -- religion becoming politics, for instance; that is, someone believing he's got something so

Re: Quiet

2004-09-09 Thread kerry miller
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 9, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: Still getting caught up in the (lack of) fallout from last nights 60 Minutes. Did I miss something important? Former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben helping

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentral tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Warren Ockrassa wrote: On the personal level, the fact is that we use the OS we want to use. We use the one we're comfortable with. Getting defensive (or offensive) over it is as foolish as a bunch of high school punks arguing over whether Chevy or Ford is the better vehicle. Grow up,

Is Jennings' 'Jeopardy!' Run Over?

2004-09-09 Thread Travis Edmunds
http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=168380 The Associated Press LOS ANGELES -- Has Ken Jennings ended his Jeopardy! streak? A report posted Wednesday on TV Week's Web site said the brainy software engineer lost in a show taped Tuesday, walking away after his 75th straight game with

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentraltabulator

2004-09-09 Thread The Fool
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 9, 2004, at 2:32 AM, The Fool wrote: From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: The GEMS program runs on a Microsoft Access database.

Re: Groveling Apologies

2004-09-09 Thread Nick Arnett
William T Goodall wrote: Sorry about that horrible email barrage there. I screwed up. Too much thinking. I'd have stopped it sooner if I'd caught it... but rest assured that there are those among you who have done worse deeds. I created a mailing list for those of us who'd been at a White

Re: Groveling Apologies

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Sorry about that horrible email barrage there. I screwed up. Too much thinking. I created a mailing list for those of us who'd been at a White House conference, which got into a loop, flooding the mailboxes of quite a few

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentral tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread William T Goodall
On 9 Sep 2004, at 7:44 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: The thing about Windows is that there are a number of apps available only on that platform, and if you're going to be using one of those (AutoCAD, frex), that basically dictates your OS. Perhaps. OTOH more often one needs to solve a particular

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Nick Arnett
d.brin wrote: News item 9/9/04: MIAMI - Tourists and residents were told Thursday they will have to leave the Florida Keys to avoid mighty Hurricane Ivan, even as the state still struggled with the misery left by Hurricanes Frances and Charley. Gov. Jeb Bush said the state had no choice but

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Nick Arnett
d.brin wrote: It looks like I will be the speaker on October 1, 2004 in Sproul Plaza for commemoration of the 40th anniversary of Mario Savio's rant atop a police car, which started the famed Berkeley Free Speech Movement! Cool and weird to be chosen. But hey, we need to defend it. Always. I

Re: Groveling Apologies

2004-09-09 Thread Nick Arnett
Dave Land wrote: So what you're saying is that we *are* inconsequential people? Were you on the list? Wait, it wasn't an exclusive or. And come to think of it, I vaguely recall that you were somehow involved... mostly in shutting off the dang mail server that was responsible. Nick

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread JDG
At 11:20 AM 9/9/2004 -0700 d.brin wrote: Well, it doesn't take Hollywood to explain this. How about just some old fashioned election year Wrath of God for what Florida did to the world four years ago, and a warning not to cheat in favor of thieving morons once again? Cheating? Again? And

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:04 PM, JDG wrote: At 11:20 AM 9/9/2004 -0700 d.brin wrote: Well, it doesn't take Hollywood to explain this. How about just some old fashioned election year Wrath of God for what Florida did to the world four years ago, and a warning not to cheat in favor of thieving morons

Book Review Nano No spoilers (not much to spoil)

2004-09-09 Thread Keith Henson
ABy John Robert Marlow This book is on topic here having a Vernor Vinge quote on the back cover and being about the Singularity And Vinge is right in what he says, the book will make a spectacular movie. But oh man is it painful to read. Not because of the story line. Even if a bit

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentral tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:28 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Perhaps. OTOH more often one needs to solve a particular problem rather than run a particular program. and then, moments later, Wouldn't it make more sense to choose an OS first and then pick hardware that would be good for running it?

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentral tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread William T Goodall
On 10 Sep 2004, at 12:19 am, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:28 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Perhaps. OTOH more often one needs to solve a particular problem rather than run a particular program. and then, moments later, Wouldn't it make more sense to choose an OS first and then pick

Re: Book Review Nano No spoilers (not much to spoil)

2004-09-09 Thread William T Goodall
On 10 Sep 2004, at 12:13 am, Keith Henson wrote: PS If you want an example of high adventure that does not violate physical laws try _The Revolution from Rosinante_ by Alexis A Gilliland. Both added to brin-l-books. http://books.scattersoft.com/ -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentral tabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:39 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 10 Sep 2004, at 12:19 am, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:28 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Perhaps. OTOH more often one needs to solve a particular problem rather than run a particular program. and then, moments later, Wouldn't it make

Re: Is Jennings' 'Jeopardy!' Run Over?

2004-09-09 Thread David Hobby
Travis Edmunds wrote: ... LOS ANGELES -- Has Ken Jennings ended his Jeopardy! streak? A report posted Wednesday on TV Week's Web site said the brainy software engineer lost in a show taped Tuesday, ... = I can't help but root for the

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread JDG
At 04:15 PM 9/9/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:04 PM, JDG wrote: At 11:20 AM 9/9/2004 -0700 d.brin wrote: Well, it doesn't take Hollywood to explain this. How about just some old fashioned election year Wrath of God for what Florida did to the world four years ago, and a

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Julia Thompson
JDG wrote: At 04:15 PM 9/9/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:04 PM, JDG wrote: At 11:20 AM 9/9/2004 -0700 d.brin wrote: Well, it doesn't take Hollywood to explain this. How about just some old fashioned election year Wrath of God for what Florida did to the world four

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 9, 2004, at 6:38 PM, JDG wrote: At 04:15 PM 9/9/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:04 PM, JDG wrote: At 11:20 AM 9/9/2004 -0700 d.brin wrote: Well, it doesn't take Hollywood to explain this. How about just some old fashioned election year Wrath of God for what Florida did to

Re: Brin-l Digest, Vol 194, Issue 11

2004-09-09 Thread Maru
Wouldn't the statute of limitations come into play for dereliction of duty during non-war time over thirty years ago? ~Maru From: Warren Ockrassa Subject: Re: Salon.com News Stung! - complete so you don't have to watch the ad To: Killer Bs Discussion On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:35 AM, William T

Africa must be a dangerous place....

2004-09-09 Thread Gary Nunn
With all of the calls for assistance due to violent deaths in Africa, I am left with no choice but to conclude that Africa is a dangerous place. I must admit though, the scam are getting better and more personal. The snippet below calls me by my full name instead of the first part of my email

Re: Christians vs. Children's Books

2004-09-09 Thread Bryon Daly
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:03:54 -0700 (PDT), Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=articlearticleid=22182 The entire article is worthy of reading... Hey - the article's by Seanbaby! He's got a pretty funny (and very non-PC) website. My favorite

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Robert Seeberger
Julia Thompson wrote: JDG wrote: At 04:15 PM 9/9/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:04 PM, JDG wrote: At 11:20 AM 9/9/2004 -0700 d.brin wrote: Well, it doesn't take Hollywood to explain this. How about just some old fashioned election year Wrath of God for what Florida did

Re: Brin-l Digest, Vol 194, Issue 11

2004-09-09 Thread Robert Seeberger
Maru wrote: Wouldn't the statute of limitations come into play for dereliction of duty during non-war time over thirty years ago? ~Maru Whoever this is (and it is not me) is going to confuse the crap out of people. I just know people are going to confuse this person with me.G

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Robert Seeberger
Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 6:38 PM, JDG wrote: David doesn't strike me as the loaded with smileys type. He (rightly, I think) takes a rather dim view of cheating, thieving morons and the cheating, thieving morons who cheat and steal for them. What about the folks who moron for the

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Every time there's a disaster like this, sure, maybe there are some folks who deserve it -- but those least at fault are the hardest hit, and if there's any sort of justice, a weather system isn't an efficient way of distributing it

Re: Why bother?

2004-09-09 Thread Maru
After reading the whole of Brin's Uplift novels, I find myself puzzled by something: Why undertake the massive, expensive, intricate, and morally tricky process of Uplift at all? There must be some intrinsic reason (that is, you can't say 'Because the Progenitors did'. Then why did they begin

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 6:38 PM, JDG wrote: David doesn't strike me as the loaded with smileys type. He (rightly, I think) takes a rather dim view of cheating, thieving morons and the cheating, thieving morons who cheat and steal for them. What

Polls

2004-09-09 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
From The Century Foundation: The new Gallup poll, conducted entirely after the GOP convention and therefore the first poll that truly measures BushÂ’s bounce, shows Bush with a very small bounce indeed: two points, whether you look at registered voters (RVs) or likely voters ( LVs). His support

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread JDG
At 07:06 PM 9/9/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote: PS: Like David's message, mine is intended to be tongue-in-cheek, but not pointless. Sorry for finding it not very funny. A close friend of mine is an immigrant from Grenada.After spending the past day praying for the safety of her mother,

Re: Brin-l Digest, Vol 194, Issue 11

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 9, 2004, at 8:44 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: Maru wrote: Wouldn't the statute of limitations come into play for dereliction of duty during non-war time over thirty years ago? ~Maru Viet-nam was not wartime? Viet Nam was every bit as much war as the action against Iraq, yes. Bush's

Re: Why bother?

2004-09-09 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 9/9/2004 9:25:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After reading the whole of Brin's Uplift novels, I find myself puzzled by something: Why undertake the massive, expensive, intricate, and morally tricky process of Uplift at all? It looks good on a

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 9, 2004, at 6:57 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Every time there's a disaster like this, sure, maybe there are some folks who deserve it -- but those least at fault are the hardest hit, and if there's any sort of justice, a weather system isn't an efficient way of distributing it I'll agree

Re: Diebold systems contain feature that allows tampering atcentraltabulator

2004-09-09 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 9, 2004, at 1:24 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Depends what you do. What do you do? I run multiple e-mail programs at once and have more browser windows open than my husband thinks is reasonable. Hmm! Well, how many is that? I also want to be using genealogy software while I have a ton of