Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

2005-04-24 Thread dland
Dan, et al, OK, I wrote the whole message below, then realized that I'm getting way too much into argumentation and not nearly enough into being simple and clear. So go ahead and read and tear apart the message that begins with "Dan Wrote:", but consider this my reply: The main thing that promte

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

2005-04-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3 > On Apr 24, 2005, at 4:03 PM, JDG wrote: > > > Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weapons, > > Assuming, that

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

2005-04-24 Thread dland
On Apr 24, 2005, at 6:50 PM, JDG wrote: To question at hand is whether it is moral to kill a [group of cells] after conception. There are two possible arguments in favor of this: 1) The [group of cells] is not human life. 2) It is acceptable to kill some human lives Do we care about birth

Re: Real cost of living (was Social Security reform)

2005-04-24 Thread dland
On Apr 24, 2005, at 4:29 PM, JDG wrote: At 03:01 PM 2/19/2005 -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: I understand that and have been supportive of many of the reforms you and others have mentioned. John's statement made it sound as if people receiving SS are living completely off of the largess of the wor

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

2005-04-24 Thread dland
On Apr 24, 2005, at 4:03 PM, JDG wrote: > Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weapons, Assuming, that is, that the US rules the world, and therefore is in a position to "let" or "not let" nations like the DPRK gain nuclear weapons. Perhaps we might consider other nations as adults, instead o

Re: What Social Security (and Its "Reform") Say About America

2005-04-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: Re: What Social Security (and Its "Reform") Say About America substantially inferior system. > > First of all, you don't have to depend completely on

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

2005-04-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3 > Pray. > > Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weapons, there are simply no good > opt

Re: What Social Security (and Its "Reform") Say About America

2005-04-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: And that's an important point, retirement should be planned-for today by choosing to forego a certain amount of consumption and investing that capital to build a stockpile for funding one's retirement annuity.The current system of just hoping that future generations will vote for the

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

2005-04-24 Thread Maru Dubshinki
On 4/24/05, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 07:07 PM 4/24/2005 -0500, Ronn! wrote: > >> >> -human life begins at conception > >> > > >> >This is scientifically debateable. > >> > >>Really? This would require the [group of cells] to be something other > >>than human life between the meeting of

Re: What Social Security (and Its "Reform") Say About America

2005-04-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: Actually, that's part of my point. The people don't believe that a set amount of *contributions* exist, they believe that a set amount of *benefits* exist.That is, regardless of how much money the government claims to be in the "Trust Fund", the future liabailities of the government

Re: Real cost of living (was Social Security reform)

2005-04-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:29:13 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Only to the extent that paying taxes can be described as "paying dues." But Social Security taxes are collected separately from other taxes because they are specifically for retirement/disability. The fact that the funds are use

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: (explanation on church stuff - thanks) In my opinion, if one _favors_ tradition over change (or vice-versa), then one is inherently closed minded to some extent. So, would you say that you are/were closed-minded on school vouchers and liberating Iraq? I'm not sure on the first, maybe, b

Re: Miss America Pageant 2005 cancelled?

2005-04-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Which piece? Optional. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 07:07 PM 4/24/2005 -0500, Ronn! wrote: >> >> -human life begins at conception >> > >> >This is scientifically debateable. >> >>Really? This would require the [group of cells] to be something other >>than human life between the meeting of the sperm and the egg, and the >>beginning of human life

RE: Brin: Through the Looking Glass

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 01:46 PM 3/3/2005 -0600, John Horn wrote: >> In recent weeks it has become clear that President Bush has >> floated a trial baloon regarding lifting the current cap on >> income subject to Social Security tax. Right now, income over >> $100,000 is exempt from the 12.5% Social Security tax.

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

2005-04-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:11 PM Sunday 4/24/2005, JDG wrote: At 11:59 AM 4/15/2005 -0400, Max wrote: >JDG wrote: > > Let's connect the dots: >> >> -human life begins at conception > >This is scientifically debateable. Really? This would require the [group of cells] to be something other than human life between the

Re: US voting reform idea

2005-04-24 Thread Erik Reuter
There has been a great deal of work on voting science over the past ~200 years. Unfortunately, the conclusions are "it depends". Is the system you describe better than the current system? It depends on what is considered important. Here is a summary of vote aggregation methods and some ways to mea

Re: Miss America Pageant 2005 cancelled?

2005-04-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:18 PM Sunday 4/24/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Gary Nunn wrote: > > The Miss America Pageant is much like Hollywood awards shows - long and > boring. The prospect of seeing beautiful women, loses out to the hours of > crap that one must endure while watching. Plus, watching them walk down a

Re: US voting reform idea

2005-04-24 Thread Frank Schmidt
> A few comments interspersed: A lot of my previous mail snipped to which Ronn didn't respond. > At 12:07 PM Sunday 4/24/2005, Frank Schmidt wrote: > >Other points are a constitutional right to vote (currently > >excluding someone from voting is illegal if itÂ’s because of > >e.g. race or sex, bu

Re: What Social Security (and Its "Reform") Say About America

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 03:26 PM 2/19/2005 -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: >If people want private accounts >there are plenty of ways for them to do that without Uncle Sam's help. I think our difference is that I would like to see an increase in personal responsibility for retirement. For example, it is essentially a g

Re: What Social Security (and Its "Reform") Say About America

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 02:56 PM 2/19/2005 -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: >On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 05:07:58 -0500, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> At 09:19 PM 2/18/2005 -0800, Doug wrote: You mean, presuming that the next election installs a government that restores the benefits? >>> >>> If Congress raised the

Re: Real cost of living (was Social Security reform)

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 03:01 PM 2/19/2005 -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: >On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 05:25:36 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >> * Doug Pensinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> >>> So you put 12.4% of your income (to some limit), your employer matches >>> it and vwala! You've saved for retirem

Re: New Pope?

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 12:09 AM 4/10/2005 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: >> And if he did so after open-mindedly considering all sides of the issue, >> would you still consider him to be closed-minded on the subject for >> issuing a final decision? > >I would say he gave the appearance of closing his mind on the subjec

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 11:59 AM 4/15/2005 -0400, Max wrote: >JDG wrote: > > Let's connect the dots: >> >> -human life begins at conception > >This is scientifically debateable. Really? This would require the [group of cells] to be something other than human life between the meeting of the sperm and the egg, and

Opportunity Cost Re: Brin: Bush on Oil Tax Breaks

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 12:36 PM 4/22/2005 +, Bob Chassell wrote: >(That is, roughly speaking, the opportunity cost of the US occupation >of Iraq. This uses the term "opportunity cost" as I understood it >many decades ago, not as John D. Giorgis defined it recently. O.k., what is your definition of opportunity

Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

2005-04-24 Thread JDG
At 10:13 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote: >JDG wrote >> >> At 01:34 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote: >> >Dan, it was a rhetorical question. I know why he isn't, and frankly >very >> >glad he isn't. But thank you for the refresher. I must learn to put >more >> >umm, nuance in my typing

RE: Miss America Pageant 2005 cancelled?

2005-04-24 Thread Gary Nunn
I wrote... > > walk down a runway is ugly one piece bathing suits, wearing > high heals > > is just stupid...they need two piece string bikinis.. Alberto wrote... > Or _one_ piece bikinis One of the "skills" assessments of the contestants could be "Fashion Design". They could be given one s

Re: Miss America Pageant 2005 cancelled?

2005-04-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Gary Nunn wrote: > > The Miss America Pageant is much like Hollywood awards shows - long and > boring. The prospect of seeing beautiful women, loses out to the hours of > crap that one must endure while watching. Plus, watching them walk down a > runway is ugly one piece bathing suits, wearing high

Re: US voting reform idea

2005-04-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
A few comments interspersed: At 12:07 PM Sunday 4/24/2005, Frank Schmidt wrote: Several months ago, I found the website of the Center for Voting and Democracy (CVD) at www.fairvote.org. If I had to sum up their program in once sentence, they want every US citizen to be able to cast a vote that matt

US voting reform idea

2005-04-24 Thread Frank Schmidt
Several months ago, I found the website of the Center for Voting and Democracy (CVD) at www.fairvote.org. If I had to sum up their program in once sentence, they want every US citizen to be able to cast a vote that matters. One of their reform ideas, Instant Runoff Voting (IRV), is being supported

Serenity

2005-04-24 Thread William T Goodall
The Serenity trailer will be on the Apple trailers site on Tuesday. May be spoilerish for people familiar with the series. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "The three chief virtues of a programmer are: Lazin

Miss America Pageant 2005 cancelled?

2005-04-24 Thread Gary Nunn
The Miss America Pageant is much like Hollywood awards shows - long and boring. The prospect of seeing beautiful women, loses out to the hours of crap that one must endure while watching. Plus, watching them walk down a runway is ugly one piece bathing suits, wearing high heals is just stupid...th