Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 02:45, Nick Arnett wrote: > On 7/28/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Jul 2007, at 20:16, Nick Arnett wrote: >> >>> On 7/27/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact th

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 04:59, Ritu wrote: > William T Goodall wrote: > >> Religions don't present their stories as being literally true? They >> don't claim that supernatural entities meddle in human affairs? They >> don't claim that miraculous events actually happen? They don't claim >> that divinel

RE: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

William T Goodall wrote: > Atheist religions have different defining irrational beliefs. Nazism > had 'Aryan supremacy', the Greens have 'Nuclear Power is Evil' and so > on. I am sure they do, but I really was talking about the religion I grew up with, and if you wish to place it in this cla

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 12:33, Ritu wrote: > William T Goodall wrote: > >> Atheist religions have different defining irrational beliefs. Nazism >> had 'Aryan supremacy', the Greens have 'Nuclear Power is Evil' and so >> on. > > I am sure they do, but I really was talking about the religion I > grew

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 02:45, Nick Arnett wrote: > > Many religions have creeds -- short statements of faith that one > chooses to > accept as true if one is to profess that faith. Creeds exists > specifically > to identify the key truths in one's faith. There would be no need > for them > if

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 13:33, Ritu wrote: > William T Goodall wrote: > >> All religions contain irrational defining beliefs (supernatural or >> otherwise) else they wouldn't be religions. Accepting some piece[s] >> of nonsense on faith is part of adopting a religious belief. > > That is a wonderful n

RE: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

William T Goodall wrote: > All religions contain irrational defining beliefs (supernatural or > otherwise) else they wouldn't be religions. Accepting some piece[s] > of nonsense on faith is part of adopting a religious belief. That is a wonderful non-answer to what I said... > Clearly steam

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

William said: > It has a supernatural God that makes the world, a supernatural Jesus, > it has Jesus coming back from death, it has heaven and it has > resurrection and blah blah blah. If you don't believe all of this > tosh you are not a Christian. I think it's possible to disbelieve some aspect

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 13:55, Richard Baker wrote: > William said: > >> It has a supernatural God that makes the world, a supernatural Jesus, >> it has Jesus coming back from death, it has heaven and it has >> resurrection and blah blah blah. If you don't believe all of this >> tosh you are not a Chr

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

I am deleting, unread, all posts with this title because nobody is saying anything new. Everybody has their minds made up and all the force of their deepest values behind it. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ __ "The community stagnates without the impulse of the i

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 14:37, PAT MATHEWS wrote: > > I am deleting, unread, all posts with this title because nobody is > saying > anything new. Everybody has their minds made up and all the force > of their > deepest values behind it. > It's those blinkered and irrational advocates of religio

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 15:31, Dan Minettte wrote: > On the whole, it appears that the literature indicates that > membership in a > religious community has a positive effect on one's health. Correlation doesn't mean causation Dan. In a highly religious society like the USA those who are not membe

RE: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Richard Baker > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:00 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged > > Dave said: > > > The point being that religion -- whe

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 15:31, Dan Minettte wrote: > There is no experiment that either one of us can propose to falsify > the > belief of one of us and confirm the belief of the other. So, where > does > this place discussions of religion? Is there nothing empirically > based that > can be sa

RE: Religion is Destructive: Why it Must Be Discouraged

> Andrew Crystall wrote: > > And the Noahide Laws? Noahide? Isn't that what they used to make couches and chairs out of? - jmh No Real Content Maru CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain conf

RE: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of William T Goodall > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 9:55 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged > > > On 29 Jul 2007, at 15:31, Dan Minettte wrote:

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

Dan said: > If we were to differ, say on the latest work in mesoscopic > physics, we could straightforwardly reconcile those differences by > reference to the literature. Yes. And if we differed about physics beyond the current frontiers of knowledge we could in principle resolve those dif

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 20:26, Dan Minettte wrote: > > If you want, you could argue that healthy people tend to be > religious and > people with social and behavior health issues tend to be agnostic and > atheists, I guessbut I think the proposed mechanisms are better > explained by the causalit

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 29 Jul 2007, at 20:26, Dan Minettte wrote: >> On Behalf Of William T Goodall >> Correlation doesn't mean causation Dan. In a highly religious society >> like the USA those who are not members of a religious community are >> also likely to be outsiders in other ways which is likely to impact >

Why Discuss Religion...

>> speaking as an atheist, it behooves me to engage in dialog about >> religion so i can learn more of what i do not know... >> jonsan There's nothing to learn. If you're trying to persuade someone to abandon their beliefs, having some sort of understanding as to just what it is they bel

margaritaville

> Must have been a large glass. Blended, or on the rocks, with salt? > Most any decent brand of Tequila Blanca will do, and Grand Marnier... > Ay Caramba! Rocks. Salt. I usually prefer Grand Marnier to orange liqueur, but I use different ratios anyway. :) (And I've experimented with different

Re: margaritaville

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, jon louis mann wrote: > > Must have been a large glass. Blended, or on the rocks, with salt? >> Most any decent brand of Tequila Blanca will do, and Grand Marnier... >> Ay Caramba! > > Rocks. Salt. I usually prefer Grand Marnier to orange liqueur, but I use > different rati

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

At 10:25 AM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: >You can't prove UFOs manned by yetis don't abduct you every night and >probe you Maru That explains why I wake up every morning with an overwhelming desire to get to the bathroom and smear some Preparation-H on my butt! Thanks Maru! --

RE: Religion is Destructive: Why it Must Be Discouraged

At 02:06 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, Horn, John wrote: > > Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > > And the Noahide Laws? > >Noahide? Isn't that what they used to make couches and chairs out of? :P I have often seen them called the "Noachide" laws. As usual, Wikipedia lists them:

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:12, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > At 10:25 AM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: > >> You can't prove UFOs manned by yetis don't abduct you every night and >> probe you Maru > > > That explains why I wake up every morning with an overwhelming desire > to get to the bath

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

At 03:08 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: >The USA is the most religious advanced country and the least healthy. > >[...] > >Very religious countries like Nigeria seem to have very poor health. Is there any other common factor between those two statistics? Correlation Again Mar

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:23, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > At 03:08 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: > > >> The USA is the most religious advanced country and the least healthy. >> >> [...] >> >> Very religious countries like Nigeria seem to have very poor health. > > > > Is there any othe

Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged

At 06:52 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: >On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:23, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > > At 03:08 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: > > > > > >> The USA is the most religious advanced country and the least healthy. > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> Very religious countr

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