any Friday at any
other time during the year in which said Catholic does not engage in some
other act of remembrance.
And in answer to your question, the Eucharist may be received on any day,
given that the body of Christ is infinite and eternal.
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At 08:35 AM 8/28/2004 +0100 Richard Baker wrote:
>JDG said:
>
>> Or how about being passive in the decades of sufferings of Iraqis
>> under Saddam Hussein?
>
>Or during the decades of suffering of North Koreans under Communism?
The US sent millions to that corner of the
At 09:22 PM 8/27/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:34:18 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Or how about being passive in the decades of sufferings of Iraqis under
>> Saddam Hussein?
>
>It's of course worth mentioning that AIDS ki
AB as you do.
I agree that many religious institutions and the Bush Administration don't
exactly strongly promote the "C" in "ABC", but I have definitely heard of
strong opposition to the "AB" in "ABC" from the anti-AIDS establishment.
JDG
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eat Britain, or the USA.
Ultimately, it seems to me that approaching that level of power requires a
certain domestic level of population and natural resources to reach a
global pinnacle in production - and I don't think that the Arabian
peninsula meets that standard - even if you were to throw in Egypt.
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tion of a regional hegemon in the Middle East is about as high
as they come, I think that it would be highly unlikely. At any rate, even
if Iran were to unify with Iraq, we're still only talking around 100
million people - hardly the foundations of a "superpower."
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At 11:49 PM 8/28/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>JDG wrote:
>
>> The astounding chutzpah to imply that Bush has somehow drastically
>> deteriotaed AIDS policy from the golden age they had under Clinton
>> utterly discredits this source.
>
>Can you substantiate th
t money.
>> They should be able to buy the ability to have nuclear weapons...from
>> France if from nowhere else. With the same reasonable worst case
>scenario
>
>we could alliances with Islamic republics in Iraq and Iran, putting
>pressure on t
The astounding chutzpah to imply that Bush has somehow drastically
deteriotaed AIDS policy from the golden age they had under Clinton utterly
discredits this source.
Your quotes remind me of the National Parks Conservation Association, who
amazingly seem to only find the most dire NPS budget shortfalls under
Republican Presidents.
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quot;tie" into the top tier, but will probably never reach the unipolar levels
of a Greece, Rome, Mongolia, Spain, France, Britain, or US.
4) Indonesia
5) Brazil
6) Nigeria
7) Russia
8) United States of Africa/African Union (distant future of course)
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; to German or Japanese citizens.
>>
>I wonder how people in the end of the XXI century will
>think about _us_, who are passive in the face of the
>AIDS African Holocaust :-/
Or how about being passive in the decades of sufferings of Iraqis under
>
>The best way to be free from religious terrorism
>is to be free from religion.
Good grief! not another one.
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At 11:28 PM 8/17/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:56:11 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry... I momentarily had thought you were the *other* Julia in your
>> response.Anyhow, I reacted so forcefully in part because there is a
At 04:34 PM 8/18/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>JDG wrote:
>>
>> Canon 926 of the Code of Canon Law prescribes, In the Eucharistic
>> celebration, in accordancewith the ancient tradition of the Latin Church,
>> the priest is to use unleavened bread wherever
At 03:46 AM 8/13/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
>I think Democrats should apologize for not impeaching these
>incompetent American hating *s.
>
>Gary Denton
>--
>#2 on google for liberal news
Let it not be said on Brin-L that Democrats do not question the patriotism
pret
Church teaching to preclude experiencing orgasm outside of marriage.
JDG - Not that other experiences can't be satisfying.
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At 01:07 PM 8/12/2004 -0700 Deborah Harrell wrote:
>> JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>> >>JDG wrote:
>
>> >> ... and until the scientific discovery of ovum
>> >> and sperm, there probably wasn't much
Marital vows?Are they going to Massachusetts?
JDG - Otherwise, Bush's support for a constitutional amendment is
irrelevant
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there the Mass would be "valid" but the
use of leavened bread is not permitted in the Roman Catholic Church.
Canon 926 of the Code of Canon Law prescribes, In the Eucharistic
celebration, in accordancewith the ancient tradition of the Latin Church,
the priest is to use unleave
riate)
I am sure that there must have been an exception made for Catholics. For
example, on the tour of Alcatraz Island the Park Ranger mentions that the
most coveted job in the prison was Altar Boy for the Catholic Mass, as the
altar boys could consume whatever portion of the Communion wine was
At 04:42 AM 8/17/2004 -0500 The Fool wrote:
>> What The Fool conveniently left out is that communion can be
>>distributed as
>> either unleavened bread or as wine, and that *each* is considered to be
>> fully the Body *and* Blood of Jesus Christ by the Catholic Church
iently left out is that communion can be distributed as
either unleavened bread or as wine, and that *each* is considered to be
fully the Body *and* Blood of Jesus Christ by the Catholic Church.
JDG - Perhaps The Fool should stick to posting about atheism, Maru, and
leave the Catholicism posts to the Catholics.
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At 12:44 AM 8/11/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>JDG wrote:
>>
>> ... and until the scientific discovery of ovum
>> and sperm, there probably wasn't much theological difference between
>> abortion and contraception.
>>
>I _think_ I read somewhere
order, in polite society
an apology would be in order.
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t;> concerns me even more in this election than the abortion issue.
>
>Did I call it that? Hmmm. I don't see it in my message.
Incredible, but true - you aren't the only person on this List.
Anyhow, would you car to apologize for the gratuitous insult which followed
the above?
he Catholic church is _not_ against contraception [ok: maybe
>it's time to cut some of many negatives in this sentence!]. They
>fiercely propose one 100% effective way of contraception: sexual
>abstinence!
Thank you.
It is worth noting that there are an awful lot of 1, 2, and 3-child
Catho
At 04:51 PM 8/9/2004 +1000 Russell Chapman wrote:
>JDG wrote:
>> Is it so inconceivable that maybe - just maybe - they sincerely believe
>> that God does not want us to engage in contraception?
>
>Well, yes - if there's no basis for it.
>No scriptures, no tablets hande
At 10:55 AM 8/9/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote:
>On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:45 AM, JDG wrote:
>
>>> From an Economist/YouGov poll:
>>
>> Only 36% of Democrats agree that life is better now for Iraqis than
>> under
>> Saddam Hussein.
>>
>> 51% of Democr
At 10:53 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:31 PM
>Subject: Re: Objective Evil
>
>
>
aida operatives when his name
>appeared in U.S. newspapers"[3] His identification by the
>administration likely "cost the United States a valuable source."[4]
Apologies from Democrats for playing politics with the Terror Warnings were
not forthcoming.
JDG
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omobiles is an evil act, since it is inevitable that driving
automobiles leaves innocents killed, maimed, and left bereft?
I use the same logic with a "just war" - intent matters.
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yet, this would suggest to me that
conscription in in a totalitarian state is a particularly insidious form of
evil, as it corrupts the innocent into becoming agents of oppression.
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At 08:06 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:23 PM
>Subject: Re: the new Bush
t. Not once have I ever said that it was
"inherently acceptable", I merely said that it was *not* "inherently evil."
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e House and in his office with all of his
people. He was in the school in Florida." - Teresa Heinz Kerry
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istory as a Catholic, and the current Catholic tradition and faith.
>>
>
>Why can't I be a member of two churches?
Didn't Christ say something about serving two Masters? ;-)
Seriously, I have no problem with you attending Catholic Mass as often as
you want, nor any problem with you attending many of the events at St.
Anthony's.
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of faith in order to be a member of a church
>that is not Catholic.
I can't imagine that any Catholic would ever ask you to do that. I can
see nothing wrong with you being a Protestant who is heavily influenced by
his history as a Catholic, and the current Catholic tradition and
as not evil.Dropping bombs
on Al Qaeda training camps was not evil. And dropping bombs on Saddam
Hussein's armies was not evil.
Frankly, I'm a bit surprised to learn that you disagree with the above.
JDG
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n in.
>:-)
O.k., given your proposed definition of "Catholic", how do you define
"Protestant"?Are Protestants just simply a sect within the Catholic
Church?
And does the Catholic Church have any power or authority to regulate its
membership, or can *anyone* justly claim to speak "as a Catholic"?
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me sense, but it is a slight
exaggeration to call it "deep cover."
As I've said before, "deep cover agents" simply aren't married to
ambassadors.
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his movie in "Bush country."
To the extent that it is being released in Red States, it is being released
in Democrat-heavy areas of those States, such as around major universities.
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"as a Catholic." Indeed, to do so, denies the word
"Catholic" of any practical meaning.
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.)I feel much more comfortable in saying
that the internment camps were objectively immoral than merely saying that
the payoff wasn't high enough for us to have gone that far.
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> Let me ask a very simple question. Is the deliberate
>killing of innocence people an objective evil or not?
The linked text quite explicitly declares murder to be an objective evil.
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fy the means."
I've just thought to do something that I should have done in the first
place, which is to provide original source material from the Catechism of
the Catholic Church:
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a4.htm#1751
This should explain the principles at work much better
ohn Kerry, if
elected, will be under from within his own part to surrender to the
terrorists.
JDG
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>Russell Chapman wrote:
>
>> When did contraception become a topic for priests?
When did priests become a topic for Russell Chapman?
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sincerely believe
that God does not want us to engage in contraception?
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s why they pay him the big bucks
And isn't Kerry being a little hypocritical to say that he would have done
something different were he being paid the big bucks, given his own stated
reactions?
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27;m not criticizing Kerry for being unable to think during that time
period, I am criticizing Kerry for stooping so low as to criticize what
Bush did for *seven minutes* givem his own stated reaction.
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At 11:23 PM 6/17/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
>Yea, and you think that they'd pass some horribly unconstitutional law,
>like the Alien and Sedition Act.
Which doesn't have nearly the significance of being the very FIRST act of
Congress.
JDG
A pretty selective sampling there, Doug.
It also neglects the fact, that your reading of the Constitution would make
the Declaration of Independence Unconstitutional.
It also neglects the fact that the Founders who participated in the very
first Congress chose as their first discretionary act the
urces in a number of Parks, included preserved
churches in Great Smoky Mountains National Park and Cape Lookout National
Seashore, as well as Native American ceremonial kivas at numerous Parks
throughout the Southwest.
JDG
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At 01:22 AM 6/16/2004 -0400 JDG wrote:
>At 11:17 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
>>I don't know, I am a couple miles from a petrochemical plant and never
>>think about terrorists attacking it.
>
>Then again, you've probably never watched an airplane crash int
At 10:16 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>JDG wrote:
>
>> At 09:36 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>>> Because it is on U.S. Government property it isn't the VFW's speech that
>>> is in question. Because it is on U.S. government prop
orld War dead.....
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Public Address system in the Subway Station reminding you
to always be on the lookout for suspicious packages anywhere in the subway
system.
JDG - New York, Arlington, Shanksville, Madrid, Maru.
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ules of
engagement" will contribute to the intellectual vibrancy of the List.
Others' opinions may vary.
JDG - Not sure if there was a better way for me to put this, Maru.
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has to do with the fact that the actual
standard in the Constitution is much lower than "separation", it is simply
"non-establishment."
JDG
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At 11:45 PM 6/12/2004 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote:
>JDG wrote:
>>
>> At 11:02 AM 6/12/2004 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
>> >--===1385683643==
>> >
>> >Another poll on Hannity's site was poked this week.
>>
>> I'm glad t
ision, their
>involvement is completely, totally irrelevant.
So, in other words, if the VFW wanted to burn an American Flag in Mojave
National Preserve, everyone here would be all for it
JDG - Presuming of course that the NPS permits fires in Mojave. ;-)
l-powerful the United States is.
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At 10:55 PM 6/14/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>> I don't think you said that right. I am unaware of any Constitutional
>> provision against exclusionary and offensive speech on federal lands.
>>
>> JDG - Something about defending your right to say it, Maru .
unaware of any Constitutional
provision against exclusionary and offensive speech on federal lands.
JDG - Something about defending your right to say it, Maru .
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opinion upholding the Pledge on Constitutional grounds. Scalia
would surely have been a fourth vote for that opinion.
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Welcome to the Club, Gary
I can definitely sympathize with how it feels to think that there may be
terrorists on your doorstep - say targetting your train into work or the
very large Train Station next door to your office
JDG - We Will Prevail, Maru
But wait, there's more..the latest Church-and-State silliness is
arguing that helping kids get a good education will "establish religion" in
the United States
http://tinyurl.com/2db5s
Sigh.
JDG
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ing in response?
JDG
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a recused they had a 4-4 vote on all
other outcomes.
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out UN or NATO endorsement?
Would you do it even if no other country, including the UK and Australia
supported it?
JDG
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At 11:02 AM 6/12/2004 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
>--===1385683643==
>
>Another poll on Hannity's site was poked this week.
I'm glad to see that the list conversation persisted at a high level while
I was gone.
JDG
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e's Bush's clock?" asked the man.
>
>"Bush's clock is in Jesus' office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."
I thought it was funnier when Republicans passed this joke around about
Bill Clinton
JDG - And that probably wasn't the first time, Maru
P.S.
Archbishop's column, taken from the Denver Archdiocese website:
It's a matter of honesty: to receive Communion, we need to be in communion
If we claim to be Catholic, we need to act like it all the way, all the
time, without excuses
Relationships have consequences. They shape the way we ac
Church as the Evil Empire as a major plot theme. I can't say that either
of those teasers has me running to the book store to read the next book. ;-)
JDG - Then again, maybe I should have read Keats before reading Hyperion.
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religious beliefs.
>But in no way do I see Southern Baptists as the stereotype for all
>Christians.
>Fundamentalists perhaps..
You are engaging in some serious word games if you intended your use of the
word "Christian" to imply Catholics in the context you made your ori
At 09:48 PM 5/24/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
>Except for 3, the support for Halliburton, isn't this Kerry's plan?
Was that the plan he voted for BEFORE he voted against it? ;-)
JDG - Plan? What Plan, Maru?
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determine the
difference betwen cancer and a fertilized egg.
JDG - It doesn't take a Fool either, for that matter.
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o
be sufficient opposition by the Church to National Socialists and White
Supremicists, correct?
JDG
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At 09:24 PM 5/24/2004 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
>--===0066176978==
>
>http://www.tilenut.com/yo/BUSH_record.html
Only the first one.
JDG - Dumb and Dumberer, Thank God that this is the best our opponents can do.
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of persons but not politicians who abuse the rights of another class of
persons?
JDG - Tough Questions, Maru
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At 01:57 AM 5/23/2004 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote:
>So you wouldn't care about losing all the legal rights and responsibilities
>that
>come with marriage, if they were denied to you?
I would be mildly annoyed, for sure.But I would find ways to make due.
My central point, however, is that this si
battles? It seems to me that this "Racist Republicans" thing has become a
convenient excuse for you to duck criticizing liberal excesses.
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e beliefs of Evangelicals.
Why criticize liberals when you can bash Republicans as being Racist
Bigots instead?
I give up.
JDG - The ends justify the means, Maru.
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ears in order to tell those tyrants on the
MA Supreme Court exactly what the MA Constitution says.
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At 09:00 PM 5/17/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>JDG wrote:
>
>
>> The right idea:
>>
>> -military assaults on no less than four of its neighbors
>>
>> -10,000 children dying per month (per UNICEF and WHO)
>>
>> -a near permanent US presence
rly did not meant the stautory
definition of a religion in the State of Texas. Thus, why is UU'ism a
religion in a way in which say Alcoholics Anonymous, Kiwanis, and the
Fraternal Order of the Moose is not?
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ally untenable for the French to continue to
stand in our way. The reason it was used is because all humans are
naturally susceptible to believe things which confirm what they know to be
true. In this case, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton shared the same
knowledge of the truth.
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Unitarians. As near as I can tell, Unitarians still have the full
vote/franchise in Texas.
>First they came for.
Uhhh Gary there's nobody coming for you or the Unitarians - at least so
far as you have stated.
JDG
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At 06:14 PM 5/19/2004 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
>http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Apr/04272004/commenta/commenta.asp
I can't believe that anyone found this diatribe coherent.
Since when did the NY Times start printing DNC Talking Points?
JDG - Who really doesn't want to be bother
At 08:21 PM 5/18/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote
>I don't know, it's just possible that the fact that
>the Iraqis _actually had chemical weapons_ is little
>more significant. Or is that not important?
I have no way of judging this blogger's credibility, but here is certainly
an interesting take o
At 07:05 PM 5/14/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And thus our current President presided over one of
>> the mildest recessions
>> ever - even after the bursting of an asset bubble no
>> less!
>
>Well, true enough, but:
No, not naiive.It was actually called "Oil-for-Food", and 12+ years of
negotiations and inspections.
It failed.
JDG - Cue Ivanova, Maru
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etroit,
and Syracuse do not?
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-numerous mass graves
-12+ years of sanctions, lies, broken promises, and failed negotiations
Oh yes, Doug - France, China, Russia, and Germany had the right idea
allright. Without George Bush, things would have been so much better in
Iraq. Don't you agree
JDG - Who doesn't seriousl
ense of the rights of
the innocent Iraqi people. Even those like myself, who are somewhat opposed
to Bush's policies in Iraq, can say we did a good thing by giving them
freedom from Saddam's horror.
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At 10:55 AM 5/17/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
>A few months ago, JDG predicted that the recent push for gay marriages
>would trigger a massive backlash. The opposite seems to be happening. 51%
>of Americans favor either civil unions or actual marriage for gay people,
>while 44% fa
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>From: "Steve Sloan II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> I'm proud to see that Huntsville, Alabama is ranked number 8 in
>> Forbes' Best Places for Business. Not bad at all, considering
>> that it has the smallest population in the top 25 list, at only
>> 354,000 people. Other Brineller homes are also on
moderates" on American political TV.
And of course there are the "conservative Democrats" and
"ultra-conservative Repulicans" just to name two other variations.
JDG
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President Bush's foreign policy has done more to bring
more freedom and development to more people of the world than any President
since FDR. For that he should be lauded.
JDG
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At 02:08 AM 5/16/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
>The thing I was surprised at was the implied criticisms the reporters
>who covered the story here in the US had of Gandhi's Congress Party
>and the election results.
It is worth noting that the US/Western press was full of implicit criticism
of the
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