Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Matt Grimaldi wrote: Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement I didn't know that. All I knew

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-24 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement I didn't know that. All I knew was, a certain amount would help

RE: Confrontational style (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-18 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Confrontational style (was: More on the environmental movement) Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:39:19 -0700 (PDT) SNIP While I often use humor as a defuser

RE: Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-13 Thread Nick Lidster
More so then that a movie was made out of it, Underworld. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-13 Thread Deborah Harrell
Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More so then that a movie was made out of it, Underworld. I presume you mean about a virus causing vampirism...hmm, have to see if I can rent that! Debbi who admits to having a bit of a thing for vampires-struggling-to-overcome-their-bloodlust... ;}

Re: Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Debbi wrote: who admits to having a bit of a thing for vampires-struggling-to-overcome-their-bloodlust... ;} Too much Barnibus (sp?) as a youth? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-13 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who admits to having a bit of a thing for vampires-struggling-to-overcome-their-bloodlust... ;} I like P.N. Elrod for that sort of thing. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-11 Thread Deborah Harrell
Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip creationist propaganda grin Now I'll have to go back and check for that - Indeed, Neanderthal skeletons resemble cretins far more closely than they resemble healthy

Re: Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-11 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:58 PM 5/11/04, Deborah Harrell wrote: Perhaps I should have written what it made me think of: a short story or article about how vampires are the result of a viral infection... :) It's been done . . . -- Ronn! :) ___

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-08 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 11:22:49PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: At this point, only one of them can move faster than I can walk quickly. :) What if one goes in one direction and another in the opposite direction? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-08 Thread Jim Sharkey
Erik Reuter wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: At this point, only one of them can move faster than I can walk quickly. :) What if one goes in one direction and another in the opposite direction? That? Oh, that just means she's an incompetent mother. Haven't you been paying attention? ;-) Jim

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-08 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 11:22:49PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: At this point, only one of them can move faster than I can walk quickly. :) What if one goes in one direction and another in the opposite direction? I can scoop up one baby and then go after the other.

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread The Fool
-- From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Further links, including to the articles footnoted, are at the bottom of the site page. snip creationist propaganda Indeed, Neanderthal skeletons resemble cretins far more closely than they resemble healthy modern humans, Dobson wrote in the

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread The Fool
-- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural tube defects (SB frequently

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Gary Denton
On Fri, 7 May 2004 03:55:48 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip creationist propaganda Indeed, Neanderthal skeletons resemble cretins far more closely than they resemble healthy modern humans, Dobson wrote in the journal article.

Confrontational style (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-07 Thread Deborah Harrell
Yesterday I inappropriately (as Dan gently pointed out) tacked-on to the end of a post: Perhaps I am a bit piqued at what I see as an underlying assumption Gautam makes when he attributes bad intentions or stupidity to those who disagree with him on certain issues -- You've assumed that people

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement I didn't know that. All I knew was, a certain amount would help

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'state nannyism' came up in a discussion of taking a pill vs. actually getting off one's tushie and getting some exercise WRT coronary artery disease - the latter position mine, the former Gautam's. I'm not sure

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:36 PM 5/7/04, Julia Thompson wrote: The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Kanandarqu
Julia wrote- wondering how much each trip up the stairs carrying a baby counts on the exercise bit There are some people who structure their activities so they do stay aerobic with their ADLs (Activities of Daily Living) for a minimum of 20-30 min daily. We have talked in the past about

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia wrote- wondering how much each trip up the stairs carrying a baby counts on the exercise bit There are some people who structure their activities so they do stay aerobic with their ADLs (Activities of Daily Living) for a minimum of 20-30 min daily. We

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:40 PM 5/6/04, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cynic would reply by bringing up the piece on IIRC this past Sunday's _60 Minutes_ (or a similar show within the past few days. Maybe it was a weekend edition of _Today_.) about the rea$on why there

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a huge difference between legislating against McDonald's hamburgers and keeping kids from going blind, Debbi. But, the example that Debbie gave was folate enrichment of various cereal/grain

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement You've assumed that people I've never heard of, or at best marginally so (Chomsky, frex

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural tube defects (SB frequently results in paralysis). And the lack of iodine is potentially devastating, with mental retardation of varying degrees the

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread The Fool
-- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural tube defects (SB frequently results in paralysis). And the lack of iodine is potentially devastating,

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You've assumed that people I've never heard of, or at best marginally so (Chomsky, frex, or that Karen person), represent *my* viewpoints and thoughts. Who does you refer to? Sorry, that was very

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: snip And the lack of iodine is potentially devastating, with mental retardation of varying degrees the result of prenatal/infantile deficiency. [I believe that cretinism was the former term for these unfortunate children;

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural tube defects (SB frequently results in paralysis). And the lack of iodine is

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement I didn't know that. All I knew was, a certain amount would help in tooth formation, but too

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if you want big numbers of lives saved or kept 'intact', look at sewage/water treatment and vaccination programs -- these latter _were not_ entirely voluntary as schools required certain vaccinations for attendance. (Aside: I think the

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:32 PM 5/6/04, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...snip... The 'state nannyism' came up in a discussion of taking a pill vs. actually getting off one's tushie and getting some exercise WRT coronary artery disease - the latter position mine, the former

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cynic would reply by bringing up the piece on IIRC this past Sunday's _60 Minutes_ (or a similar show within the past few days. Maybe it was a weekend edition of _Today_.) about the rea$on why there are no new antibiotics currently under

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: I was criticizing a movement that has done immeasurable harm to the world's poor, and you kind of jumped in. Fine. But you (I notice) haven't actually agreed with me on what are - I believe - very baseline positions. Use DDT in countries where malaria is endemic. If not, why not?

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-06 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please give credit where it is due. The Republican administration in power at the time DDT was banned was more responsible than any fledgeling environmental movement and in fact the ban could not have taken place had it not been supported by

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement There's a huge difference between legislating against McDonald's hamburgers and keeping kids

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that the third world examples you gave are critical and important; the McDonalds example is foolish, and Debbie's example is a fairly easy change like iodized salt. I would guess Debbie would agree with this, and I'd be curious to

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-23 Thread JDG
At 06:18 PM 4/22/2004 -0700 Davd Brin wrote: If Jesus arrived today, he would not give a damn about markets, and they know it. He said give the shirt off your back to the poor RIGHT NOW! He did not teach a man to fish, he gave the man fish. Face it, if he arrived here today, he would not be a

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-23 Thread Davd Brin
--- JDG Somehow, I don't think that Jesus would concern himself with tax policy if he returned. Instead, he would concern himself with individual salvation. In fact, early Christians thought it would not matter. That the End of Days was at hand. It took more than a century for them to stop

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-23 Thread The Fool
From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- JDG Somehow, I don't think that Jesus would concern himself with tax policy if he returned. Instead, he would concern himself with individual salvation. In fact, early Christians thought it would not matter. That the End of Days was at hand.

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-23 Thread Damon Agretto
A lot of 'christians' still hold this meme. They are so obsessed with Armageddon coming or the rapture that they literally throw their lives and lives of their children down the toilet. Jehovah's Witnesses are especially prone to this kind of thinking. But it goes further than that.

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-23 Thread Davd Brin
--- Damon Agretto After all if Dog's going to destroy it all anyway... Replace a lot with some and I think you'd be much closer to actuality... I agree, but mainly in the context of the sub-meme of American tolerant enlightenment pragmatism. Those who reject this sub-meme often go the

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-23 Thread Keith Henson
At 06:18 PM 22/04/04 -0700, you wrote: Thanks for sending this. My response is complex so please let me put it into context. snip ... and so on. The latest, attacking Kerrey's war record, shows just how biliously crazy these people are. 6) It is rooted, of course, in the us-vs-them attitude

More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Gautam Mukunda
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/22/EDGKO68MID1.DTL An excellent article by Nick Shulz and the co-founder of Green Peace on the failures of the environmental movement. My particular passion on this topic is easily explainable. Norman Borlaug has saved

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some snippage http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/22/EDGKO68MID1.DTL An excellent article by Nick Shulz and the co-founder of Green Peace on the failures of the environmental movement. My particular passion on

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a doctor, the notion of just allowing people to starve to death is repulsive -- that's why groups like The Heifer Project, who promote environmentally sustainable economic growth on a tiny scale (helping individual families with training and

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Kevin Tarr
On Earth Day Remember: If Environmentalism Succeeds, It Will Make Human Life Impossible By Michael S. Berliner Earth Day approaches, and with it a grave danger faces mankind. The danger is not from acid rain, global warming, smog, or the logging of rain forests, as environmentalists

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread The Fool
Dr. Brin, several right-wingers on the list have been posting screeds like this one against the environment and environmentalism. I am curious as to your thoughts on the matter, as I think this particular article is one of the most mendacious pieces of propaganda ever written. -- From:

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Davd Brin
Thanks for sending this. My response is complex so please let me put it into context. 1) The Left-vs-Right political axis is a piece of arrant nonsense that I have inveighed against before. If nothing else can kill this undead piece of mind-limiting drivel, it should be the fact that the damn

Re: Brin: More on the environmental movement

2004-04-22 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 4/22/04 7:08 PM, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious as to your thoughts on the matter, as I think this particular article is one of the most mendacious pieces of propaganda ever written. Kevin, take this as a complement from Kneem! Because we all know what he posts it the