This is the first time i've actually joined a conversation here on the
google group, I feel strongly enough about this to actually have my
say. I have to agree with many of you on here, Benjamin certainly
didn't approach this in a way that promotes healthy discussion but he
makes a very valid
On May 9, 4:49 am, b logica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, I don't think he's a troll at all. Those were all (somewhat) valid
points, if delivered a wee bit inelegantly.
Well, yes, I agree completely..BUT..
You can't really blame the guy. When someone is rude to me, I reply
with (rude x 3)! I
The problem you're talking about might also be called Asperger
Google it dumbass ;-).
I would just add a simple rules :
- If you're going to answer like a jerk (if in doubt, ask someone with
normal social skills to judge) to a question that was not directly to
you, don't answer.
imagine
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Asunto: Re: OT: Shitty Community
Cause the people that can answer the questions would not be signed on
the group ;)
The core team IS focused :)
ok you can let this thread
The main reason for the post was not trolling, but to merely open some
eyes to the state of the group.
It seems it worked, and I'm glad to see that there are a lot of people
here who care about the community.
I will be around for quite a while, asking questions (some probably
pretty stupid
Seriously, why does everybody in the CakePHP community got their
finger on the trigger to just rip any person that has a question a new
one?
I mean, I have seen some pretty stupid questions in my time, and the
ones here are nowhere near as bad as the ones that I've seen
elsewhere. The thing that
How is calling the documentation horrendous polite? You have any idea
the amount of hours people take to write that, not to mention that is
a community effort? I tell you, with the likes of you, I don't doubt
anyone would call you names, disrespecting other's people valuable
time like that.
On
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:07 AM, benjam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So get your head out of your 'Holier than thou' asses and lighten up.
So...to sum up
1) there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers
2) every question, no matter how poorly researched or thought out,
deserves a civilized
I think you're both right (except the part about horrendous
documentation - it's actually pretty good at this point).
Imho, the core team *and* the community has a lot to learn about being
more polite. I think everyone is to the point where we feel justified
in making each other mad. Some
On May 8, 5:07 pm, benjam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously, why does everybody in the CakePHP community got their
finger on the trigger to just rip any person that has a question a new
one?
I mean, I have seen some pretty stupid questions in my time, and the
ones here are nowhere near
I feel that if someone comes to the group with a question, EVEN IF
IT'S BEEN ASKED BEFORE, it deserves an answer, or at least a _polite_
point in the direction of the answer
Well, IMHO, if the guys are not up to browse the list thru Google Groups
to find the answer, I think they should stop
Benjam,
I am not sure where you derive your hostility. Do you have examples
that will serve to backup your assertion, so we may teach the 4th
graders how to behave? From what I have seen, the tone of the
response often matches the tone of the original message. In general
this is a community list
On May 8, 2008, at 9:34 AM, AD7six wrote:
I'd like to build a forum. How can I do that with cake please?
What needs to be said:
- Don't ask vague questions
- Try to work on a solution a bit before asking
What they need:
- Help getting started with CakePHP
-
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:24 PM, John David Anderson
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On May 8, 2008, at 9:34 AM, AD7six wrote:
I'd like to build a forum. How can I do that with cake please?
What needs to be said:
- Don't ask vague questions
- Try to work on a solution a bit
Benjam does have a point. People can be needlessly mean sometimes and
that can probably make people think twice about if they are
evaluating. But it is not that bad when compared to other communities.
People are always being ripped on in forums and irc.
The documentations is far from perfect,
How is calling the documentation horrendous polite? You have any idea
the amount of hours people take to write that, not to mention that is
a community effort? I tell you, with the likes of you, I don't doubt
anyone would call you names, disrespecting other's people valuable
time like that.
I do find it interesting to compare Cake responses with, say, the
JQuery group- where someone titles their post it's not working and
still get loads of polite and helpful responses!
I think that although the cook book is defnitely filling the gap in
the documentation, the long period where Cake
I have to agree with Gwoo, I haven't seen any replies that weren't
appropriate to the post being replied to.
If you write a post that shows you haven't read the welcome blurb
posted on the group front page that tells you to search first before
asking, and links to the wiki pages with a ton of
On May 8, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Sliv (Tim MacAleese) wrote:
I have to agree with Gwoo, I haven't seen any replies that weren't
appropriate to the post being replied to.
If you write a post that shows you haven't read the welcome blurb
posted on the group front page that tells you to search
kumbayah.
How about we try to be polite even if the other person isn't? That
goes for both sides.
-- John
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I do find it interesting to compare Cake responses with, say, the
JQuery group- where someone titles their post it's not working and
still get loads of polite and helpful responses!
Maybe I've just been around the jQuery group too long...
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I think this guy is just looking for 5 minutes of fame and fortune :P
Cheers,
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I think this guy is just looking for 5 minutes of fame and fortune :P
yes please.
everybody who has posted a response please send me $5.
mbavio gets to send me $10.
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And your post is a bit ironic... Your are asking for polite manners,
and the title of the post is Shitty Community... Lol, I just think
that you are bored and you have nothing better to do than fudd a
little. Calm down, it will be worse if anybody answers any question.
Cheers,
mbavio
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everybody who has posted a response please send me $5.
mbavio gets to send me $10.
programming is less expensive than questioning these days :-)
Anyway benjam has got a point. I admit also having starting to answer
a question and stop because : too vague, was lazy, no time or too
complex
He got all the responses because he's trolling. I for one, have
finished feeding it.
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Just went through the conversation and I think I should start posting
more here from today itself.
A bit harsh though, but benjam did had a point
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Oh, I don't think he's a troll at all. Those were all (somewhat) valid
points, if delivered a wee bit inelegantly.
Anyway, maybe someone needs to post one of these every once in a while
to make sure Andy, Mariano, Gwoo, and the others are still there,
'cause it's ~scary~ to think of them not.
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