On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, skogkatt...@yahoo.com wrote:
You stop being rude you big burly baby. Get a life. I'm not your hobby, as hard
as you're trying to make me so.
*PLONK*
Plonk!
--
Will
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:47 AM Chris via cctalk wrote:
>
> You stop being rude you big burly baby. Get a life. I'm not your hobby, as
> hard as you're trying to make me so.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 03:37:20 AM EST, Christian Corti via
> cctalk wrote:
>
> On
You stop being rude you big burly baby. Get a life. I'm not your hobby, as
hard as you're trying to make me so.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 03:37:20 AM EST, Christian Corti via
cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023, skogkatt...@yahoo.com wrote:
> separating the 2. So please stop
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023, skogkatt...@yahoo.com wrote:
separating the 2. So please stop complaining. Learn to adapt and
overcome.
Stop being rude and adapt to the standard!
Quotation is done with a ">" (one for each level) at the beginning of a
line, the indention block is superseded with the
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 13:14, Chris via cctalk wrote:
>
> I take pains to clearly differentiate what I'm saying from what I'm quoting
> (and usually on a phone). All the while I have to struggle readimg others
> mish mosh, often there not even being a single line separating the 2. So
> please
I take pains to clearly differentiate what I'm saying from what I'm quoting
(and usually on a phone). All the while I have to struggle readimg others mish
mosh, often there not even being a single line separating the 2. So please stop
complaining. Learn to adapt and overcome. On Tuesday,
On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 08:09, Christian Corti via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Chris, can you *please* correctly indent and cite messages you are
> referring to? I am getting annoyed by guessing what part is from whom.
Agreed.
It's dead easy if you're using Gmail. I am doing it right now in the
standard
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 at 21:26, Doc Shipley via cctalk
wrote:
>
>This Subject: line is damaging my brain.
It's such an old name, the 2nd E has worn right out of it. I mean it
is the most commonly-used letter. It was always likely to fail first.
--
Liam Proven ~ Profile:
Chris, can you *please* correctly indent and cite messages you are
referring to? I am getting annoyed by guessing what part is from whom.
Christian
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023, skogkatt...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023, 09:58:07 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
sorry, never had
The 2" LT-1 disk was apparently also made by Panasonic.
Wondering if other devices used it.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:09 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
> I submit that the //gs isn't even really an Apple ][ properly.
> It's more like a quasi-Macintosh with really good (not perfect) built-in
> emulation of an Enhanced //e.
That totally makes sense. I never got into the //gs and
On 1/24/23 15:22, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On 1/24/2023 12:14 PM, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
To me, I'm somewhat concerned on the "health risk" of CRTs - I know there
is no direct evidence about it. But they're fundamentally like old radar
systems, using a directed beam.
Never mind
On 1/24/2023 12:14 PM, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
To me, I'm somewhat concerned on the "health risk" of CRTs - I know there
is no direct evidence about it. But they're fundamentally like old radar
systems, using a directed beam.
Never mind radiation, etc.
TVs damage the brain!
(due to the
On 1/24/2023 12:14 PM, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
To me, I'm somewhat concerned on the "health risk" of CRTs - I know there
is no direct evidence about it. But they're fundamentally like old radar
systems, using a directed beam.
I'm a bit rusty on the subject, but as far as I understand
On 1/24/2023 4:25 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Don R wrote:
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Delete your cookies and web site caches ;-)
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On 1/24/23 09:14, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
> One last thing: I've pondered vintage computing is like finding old Roman
> artifacts.
The big difference is that many of us old Romans are still alive.
--Chuck
I'm all for using original hardware, I enjoy those more than emulators as
well. Except, I don't miss old CRTs. Using a modern LCD on a vintage
system doesn't bother me. Even on the IBM 5100, I tend to use the
external BNC connector adapted to HDMI and unplug the internal CRT. But
sometimes
On 2023-01-23 6:04 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Now, I'm getting 64GB microSD cards for just under $5 each.
--Chuck
I just want the cheap $1 16 meg SD cards. To quote Dr Who. "The original
you might say." I have project uses small magnetic media, like a RK05.
More I look at DEC's
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
C: Remember though they are 2" disks. And shootimg from the hip, if
coercivity wasn't on spec, would a) would that pose a threat to the disk
dribe's circuitry.
no, wrong coercivity won't hurt the drive.
When the college purchasing agent was
On 2023-01-23 4:20 p.m., Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote:
On 23/01/2023 20:38, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Are you referring to Jeri Ellsworth? As far as I know she only
fabricated
an IC with simple logic gates on them, but it's possible she may have
gone
on to do more complex stuff,
On Monday, January 23, 2023, 09:58:07 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
sorry, never had one.
Chuck might know the cookie coercivity specs!
8" and 5.25" were 300 Oersted
5.25" HD was 600 Oersted
I think that 720K 3.5" was about 600 Oersted
and 1.4M was about 720-750, being close
Ah come on Jim fess up. You bought too many bags of gonja that way. Like the
rest of us.
This schnitzel is too funny.
And cheap floppys are still like crack to this day. To some of us anyway.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Don R wrote:
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Delete your cookies and web site caches ;-)
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Mike Stein wrote:
I think the issue of finding media tends to be a little overstated.
I offered some 8" diskettes a while back and didn't have a single inquiry,
and there doesn't seem to be a real shortage of other sizes either if you
don't mind sorting through used ones;
>
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Problem solved and completely legal...
-Ali
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
For some reason, the whole buy in bulk and cut down to smaller sizes and sell
just seemed so underworldly to me. You drove over to a friend's home, flashed
a bit of cash, and someone would snag it and lay a plastic baggie of disks
(literally.
On 1/23/2023 9:04 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:17 PM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
On 1/23/2023 7:58 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
That brings back memories (pun maybe intended). In the late 1980s, you
could buy 5.25 DSDD in bulk for $USD0.29/disk, but you had
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:17 PM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
> On 1/23/2023 7:58 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> That brings back memories (pun maybe intended). In the late 1980s, you
> could buy 5.25 DSDD in bulk for $USD0.29/disk, but you had to buy in
> bulk. So, clubs would buy, or someone
How many Oersted was it?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
C: in the spirit of the blessedness bestowed upon me, having received this
email twice, I've decided to breakup my reply into 2 equal but distinct parts.
And answer his questions in reverse order.
- I done lost my Oersted
Correction, that should have been…
THWT! ;)
Don Resor
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> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:49 PM, Don R via cctalk wrote:
>
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>
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> On Jan 23, 2023, at 5:18 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch
>>> codes
On Monday, January 23, 2023, 09:14:08 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
How many Oersted was it?
C: in the spirit of the blessedness bestowed upon me, having received this
email twice, I've decided to breakup my reply into 2 equal but distinct parts.
And answer his questions in reverse
On 1/23/2023 7:58 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
The nice thing was by the mid 80s there didn't seem to be crap disks. Some
guy had a shop in some basement. Commodore stuff mostly iirc. He was selling
generic didks. They were cheap, probably 4 for a dollar. I never had a problem
with a single
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
The Minisport is such an oddball it just kills me to not finally see
them boot off a disk. I never had a ac adapter. Bought suitable
batteries years ago intending to rebuild the battery packs. They work or
sid to some degree afaik. To create simple
The nice thing was by the mid 80s there didn't seem to be crap disks. Some guy
had a shop in some basement. Commodore stuff mostly iirc. He was selling
generic didks. They were cheap, probably 4 for a dollar. I never had a problem
with a single 1. Can't recall if I ever formatted them to 720k
> > Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch
> > codes
> > on? :-)
> >
> >
> > bill
> >
>
> I believe the Pentagon finally upgraded last year and got rid of the 8"
> floppy drives. There used to be one manufacturer that continued to make
> and supply them to the
> Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch
> codes
> on? :-)
>
>
> bill
>
I believe the Pentagon finally upgraded last year and got rid of the 8" floppy
drives. There used to be one manufacturer that continued to make and supply
them to the government from back
On 1/23/23 15:43, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 1/23/2023 5:39 PM, Mike Begley via cctalk wrote:
>> I must have missed your offer for 8" floppies! Please let me know if
>> you still have any.
>>
>> I was looking for some a while back, and mostly found them in the
>> $5.00/piece range,
5$ for an 8" disk isn't even remotely pricey. Especially given the amount of
computers that use them. I only have 1 computer remaining that utilizes them
(and 5 1/4") and would love to see it boot off one.
I have no luck with disks either. Again the humidity may have something to do
with it.
2023 19:28
> > To: Mike Stein via cctalk
> > Cc: skogkatt...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Computer of Thesus (was: Re: Re: Computer Museum
> uses
> > GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man)
> >
> > @ Mike Stein
> >
> > Not ever
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris via cctalk
> Sent: 23 January 2023 19:28
> To: Mike Stein via cctalk
> Cc: skogkatt...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Computer of Thesus (was: Re: Re: Computer Museum uses
> GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Ma
On 1/23/2023 6:45 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Two things They're not making anymore: land and 8" floppy disks.
Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch codes
on? :-)
bill
Two things They're not making anymore: land and 8" floppy disks.
So in that light, $5 per disk, while unfortunate, is not that outrageous.
Sellam
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:43 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> On 1/23/2023 5:39 PM, Mike Begley via cctalk wrote:
>
On 1/23/2023 5:39 PM, Mike Begley via cctalk wrote:
I must have missed your offer for 8" floppies! Please let me know if you still
have any.
I was looking for some a while back, and mostly found them in the $5.00/piece
range, which is just ridiculous.
I don't know. Isn't that what they
On 23/01/2023 20:38, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Are you referring to Jeri Ellsworth? As far as I know she only fabricated
an IC with simple logic gates on them, but it's possible she may have gone
on to do more complex stuff, like a CPU.
I think the reference was to Sam Zeloof:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:34 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> I also will never stop loving the C64. I had an Amiga 600 for a while but
> never got into it. Ataris are also amazing (8/16 bit).
I feel the same with the Apple ][ series vs. the Apple //gs. The Apple
//gs is a really interesting
John,
Same here, I prefer to use the original hardware and software media, etc.
I also prefer to read documentation from paper I'm holding in my hands, but
then this is my preference for reading generally.
For me, modern emulators and storage devices are an acceptable exception
for software
would be
interesting to see what sort of data might be on there.
-mike
From: Mike Stein via cctalk
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 11:13 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Cc: Mike Stein
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Computer of Thesus (was: Re: Re: Com
Hush, contact me off-list. I have two DEC PDP-11/05's for sale, if
that's of any interest.
On 1/23/2023 4:29 PM, h...@dec.dog via cctalk wrote:
...
—
.hush
Got interesting stuff to sell? Let me know!
Looking for DEC, IBM, CDC, SGI, Data General, and more!
On Monday, Jan 23, 2023 at 4:18
On 1/23/2023 1:01 PM, Mike Begley wrote:
Right now, I'm going back and forth on an IMSAI I am restoring. Part
of me wants to do as slavishly accurate a restoration as I can, but
the another part insists that there really is no such thing, really,
as the whole culture around S100 was about
On 1/23/2023 12:59 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
Let's face it, most of us have trouble justifying the time and money we
spend for whatever reason on what is essentially useless obsolete junk to
anyone outside our community.
I "fell" into a situation that contains the trifecta of hobby
While I never actually suspected I'd own every IBM inxompatible made, I scored
a bunch. Sold off a bunch. I can't say whether my Northstar Dimension or my NEC
APC III would be the last to go. Preferably neither. I often find myaelf
fawning over your bog standatd clone also. Don't particularly
generally, if something is too difficult or too expensive to replace, i will
opt to replace it with something more modern. PDP11 memory is quite expensive,
for instance, so if the 4MB in my 11/83 fails i will be forced to emulate it
with the qbone i have serving my disks- those are also quite
On 1/23/2023 2:28 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: @ Mike Stein
Not everything is criticism. I only corrected a rather obtuse notion about
people replacing mechanical drives with solid state ones. Everyone would love
to use their original equipment if it was practical. I for 1 have NO luck
sam zeloof, actually:
https://www.wired.com/story/22-year-old-builds-chips-parents-garage/
—
.hush
Got interesting stuff to sell? Let me know!
Looking for DEC, IBM, CDC, SGI, Data General, and more!
> On Monday, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:39 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
>
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 12:32 PM h...@dec.dog via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> i am hopeful for the future of small-scale chip fabrication (and also
> copyright law overhaul, but that’s just unrealistic!) after seeing
> someone’s project to fab their own CPU in their garage- maybe one
i am hopeful for the future of small-scale chip fabrication (and also copyright
law overhaul, but that’s just unrealistic!) after seeing someone’s project to
fab their own CPU in their garage- maybe one day we’ll see shops cropping up
that specialize in their ability to replicate old chips? one
At 77, don't I know it...
But most of us are fortunate enough to choose how we spend that limited
time, whatever other folks may think.
Speaking of, I've had fun but this discussion is time I'll never get back
;-)
Time for a nap...
;-)
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:13 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
Mike, our time (and energy) on this earth is limited. For some more limited
then others. Like the old Dr. Who (circa 1989) when asked if he foumd
butterflies interesting, replied "My good man, I find everything interesting".
As do I. As do a lot of people. Some people are geared towards diving
Guess I've been lucky; haven't had any issues (AFAIK ;-) with any of the
hundreds of ICs I've bought on eBay . On the other hand I've heard folks
even have issues with stuff from Mouser etc.
Same here; there's satisfaction in keeping the entire vintage package
running, but when it comes to
Not necessarily criticism, but there's usually a bit of judgement in there
somewhere; "I can't understand why on earth anybody would spend good money
and time buying old obsolete computers and getting them running" kinda
suggests that the speaker thinks you've got a problem and should spend the
@ Mike Stein
Not everything is criticism. I only corrected a rather obtuse notion about
people replacing mechanical drives with solid state ones. Everyone would love
to use their original equipment if it was practical. I for 1 have NO luck with
floppy disks. Is it my part of the country?
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:14 AM Mike Stein via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I offered some 8" diskettes a while back and didn't have a single inquiry,
> and there doesn't seem to be a real shortage of other sizes either if you
> don't mind sorting through used ones; even paper and
There's a harmless, inquisitive "I can't understand...". Then there's the
bitchy intolerant variant. People will go wild when I say what's the point of
an Imsai, or any uP prior to 8086/68000. I don't undervalue things that I don't
find interesting though. But honestly can't understand the
I think the issue of finding media tends to be a little overstated.
I offered some 8" diskettes a while back and didn't have a single inquiry,
and there doesn't seem to be a real shortage of other sizes either if you
don't mind sorting through used ones; even paper and mylar tape seem to
still be
classiccmp.org
Cc: Jim Brain
Subject: [cctalk] Computer of Thesus (was: Re: Re: Computer Museum uses
GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man)
On 1/23/2023 10:17 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> It's the classic "ship of Thesus" argument. And a 2,000 year old
> debate is n
I think one thing that this discussion demonstrates is the point of the
original post, namely that there are many different reasons for
participating in this hobby and to each their own..
Let's face it, most of us have trouble justifying the time and money we
spend for whatever reason on what is
I've never ever heard anyone state they like Goteks better then floppy drives.
The media is difficult to find in a usable state. That puts a big crimp on any
joy you may obtain from using original equipment. Hence people opt for the next
best thing. Which offers a number of conveniences I'll
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Chris Zach wrote:
Is it a valid repair? Yes. Is it not "100% original" nope, and I don't care
too much. However one of the supplies was a total wreck from someone else
Replacing a failed and possibly unrepairable component is something
different than changing working
On 2023-01-23 11:37, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
In the spirit of the original thought, though, where I find myself
scratching my head are the folks who have replaced every IC on their
vintage system with an aftermarket FPGA "equivalent" (loosely used
here). The resulting board, with all of
Reminds me of the p/s in the Mindset. One could not rule out it catching on
fire. I got a beat up MS years ago. The first time I plugged it in it blew the
breakers.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 8:37 AM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
>
> In the spirit of the original thought, though, where I find myself
> scratching my head are the folks who have replaced every IC on their
> vintage system with an aftermarket FPGA "equivalent" (loosely used
> here).
People do all
I have all 3 here.
Agreed. As an example, on my Sun386i's I had three blown power supplies.
All three failed due to the "donkey engine" power supply that booted up
the main power supply logic with a 300v to 12 volt system that quite
honestly was badly engineered garbage.
Rather than
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