RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016, Dave Wade wrote: > > You can surely get a proper Linux support contract -- proper as in: if > you > > trigger a bug (which may be anything from a protocol violation, through a > > security hole, to a crash) in the kernel or other core component, then you > can > > log it

RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Dave Wade wrote: > > It makes me wonder how many patients have had to wait on care or didn't > get > > proper care because of an IT screwup related to Windows. I have to say > just > > _seeing_ Windows on machines in the ER made me livid. I found it > breathtaking > > they

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Mouse wrote: > > I have used the following operating systems: [...] > > Now will somebody explain to me why windows is considered not good. > > There are, of course, almost as many answers to that as there are > people holding that opinion. > > My own answers? > > It's closed source. It

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The fellow was named “Lyndon Baines Johnson”…. but then again SR-71 sounds better than RS-71. The Blackbird is definitely one cool airplane, so perhaps LBJ got it right. > On May 30, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: > > The AR12 wasn't supposed to be called a

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The AR12 wasn't supposed to be called a SR71. Somebody messed that one up too. On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Alan Perry wrote: > On 5/27/16 7:17 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > >> >>It hasn't >>seen battle yet (and I hope it doesn't have to) but I'm a little >> worried

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On 5/27/16 7:17 PM, Jon Elson wrote: It hasn't seen battle yet (and I hope it doesn't have to) but I'm a little worried about the fact that it's beaten (badly) in simulations and exercises with much older fighter aircraft with much more "primitive" tech, including Russian

RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

> What I don't understand is why Windows is being used on these devices > at all. It specifically states in the license that it's not to be used > with life-critical systems or infrastructure (like nuclear plants). I > wish I could find a reference - I can't recall where I read that... Well,

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On Fri, 27 May 2016, Toby Thain wrote: On 2016-05-27 8:38 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: You can hardly blame windows for the stupidity of people. This could also happen w/ discreet stupid devices One word: Therac. Therac is not the same threat at all. What seems to be missing from the

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rom: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Alex > McWhirter > Sent: 27 May 2016 23:06 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active > use) > >

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Toby Thain > Sent: 28 May 2016 01:56 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage comp

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian > Stoness > Sent: 28 May 2016 00:38 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vin

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-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Rod Smallwood <rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> Date: 5/27/2016 5:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Windows use in medical spaces

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> On May 27, 2016, at 7:17 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > > It hasn't > seen battle yet (and I hope it doesn't have to) but I'm a little worried > about the fact that it's beaten (badly) in simulations and exercises with > much older fighter aircraft with much more

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It hasn't seen battle yet (and I hope it doesn't have to) but I'm a little worried about the fact that it's beaten (badly) in simulations and exercises with much older fighter aircraft with much more "primitive" tech, including Russian aircraft, too. Oh, just to add more, the

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On 05/27/2016 08:18 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: Aviation guys, am I all wet about the F35? OK, the whole concept with the F35, if they can ever get it all working, is that is is NOT an airplane (singular). It is a SYSTEM of planes. So, each pilot can see what ALL the other aircraft in the

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On 05/27/2016 11:55 AM, William Donzelli wrote: I suppose chip level repair might be possible with today's SOTs, but I would not want to do it! -- Will Yes, ONLY to keep a museum system working, but if spares are actually available, that would not only be easier, but more original! Jon

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On 05/27/2016 11:45 AM, William Donzelli wrote: OK, where can you buy some? You ask the community. You ask on the list or elsewhere. "Hey, I need a 361459. Anyone have one?". They haven't been made since about 1970. But in those six or seven years - wow, did they make a lot of them. In

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Those were the days when Kelly came up with an idea that was needed now, and most things were done at the Skunkworks. If something was farmed out, the company probably had no idea what the product was for. Everything was done quickly and efficiently, without most of congress knowing. I heard, but

RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

> > You can hardly blame windows for the stupidity of people. This could > > also happen w/ discreet stupid devices > > One word: Therac. Yes! -Ali

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On 2016-05-27 8:38 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: You can hardly blame windows for the stupidity of people. This could also happen w/ discreet stupid devices One word: Therac. Therac is not the same threat at all. What seems to be missing from the process that leads to specifying Windows is,

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> During my consultant slut days, I was tasked with building the ODBC backend > for a campus resource management system and the vendor specified SQL Server, > so that's what I did. After I hung up my hat on that job, Code Red blew s/Code Red/Nimda/ They got hit by Code Red, too, but I wasn't

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> > I wrote time and mission critical food distribution related software for > > the ten years before I retired in vb and then vb.net (oo) I would have > > seen just about every possible bug in windows and in developing > > applications under it. > > You are probably a good coder who knows

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> You can hardly blame windows for the stupidity of people. This could also > happen w/ discreet stupid devices One word: Therac. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com --

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On 27/05/2016 23:11, Swift Griggs wrote: On Fri, 27 May 2016, Rod Smallwood wrote: Please can we have some specific instances of Windows causing problems. Windows 95 - 98 either blue screened or locked up daily, no matter what you did. In fact, IIRC, there was a timer bug that would _insure_

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On 2016-05-27 7:37 PM, Ali wrote: After all, what could possibly go wrong? http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/05/faulty-av-scan-disrupts- patients-heart-procedure-when-monitor-goes-black/ To quote your article: "Based upon the available information, the cause for the reported event was due

Re: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

crypto locker on linux would work if someone exicuted it but then that would be a user fail like most people who get infected from going to the wrong sites and clicking crap... On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Dave Wade wrote: > > Please can we have some specific

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> After all, what could possibly go wrong? > > http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/05/faulty-av-scan-disrupts- > patients-heart-procedure-when-monitor-goes-black/ To quote your article: "Based upon the available information, the cause for the reported event was due to the customer not

Re: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On 2016-05-27 5:04 PM, Ali wrote: It makes me wonder how many patients have had to wait on care or didn't get proper care because of an IT screwup related to Windows. I have to say just _seeing_ Windows on machines in the ER made me livid. I found it breathtaking they were that caviler about

RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

> Please can we have some specific instances of Windows causing problems. > Not unqualified people at home or students but real production environments > with qualified support on hand. > I used every version of windows from 1 to 10. yes XP and millennium too > It is susceptible to MalWare of

Re: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Please can we have some specific instances of Windows causing problems. Windows 95 - 98 either blue screened or locked up daily, no matter what you did. In fact, IIRC, there was a timer bug that would _insure_ the system couldn't stay up for more

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On 27/05/2016 22:17, Jay West wrote: Ian wrote - When I suggested modernizing, I was told that changing the hardware would require *re-certifying the entire workflow*. In other words, it was far more economical to maintain a 70's era computer than spec, design, acquire/build and

Re: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On 27/05/2016 22:04, Ali wrote: It makes me wonder how many patients have had to wait on care or didn't get proper care because of an IT screwup related to Windows. I have to say just _seeing_ Windows on machines in the ER made me livid. I found it breathtaking they were that caviler about

RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin > Sent: 27 May 2016 22:05 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage comp

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> And nobody - *ever* - plugs a USB stick into them. Or puts them on a > LAN with machines that people shove USB sticks into. No they don't because they don't have LAN ports or USB ports - at least not one's easily accessible by RNs/MDs/etc. They are single purpose machines that are locked down

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> On May 27, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Ali wrote: > > I would say very few. You have to remember critical systems are not running > a general windows system i.e. people are not surfing the web on them and > installing the latest games recommended by friends from facebook. Windows on

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Ian wrote - When I suggested modernizing, I was told that changing the hardware would require *re-certifying the entire workflow*. In other words, it was far more economical to maintain a 70's era computer than spec, design, acquire/build and certify a new system. - Then Gene

RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Dave Wade wrote: > What would you expect. Properly maintained, managed enterprise and > locked down Windows/7 is solid and reliable. My ER experience was back in the Windows XP days. I have noticed 7 seems pretty stable if you can keep M$ from tricking you into upgrading to

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In the ER, they handed me a tiny tablet (2" x 6"?) and asked me to sign my name. "Why?" "So that we can paste your signature into all of the documents. Would you like a copy of the papers that we sign your name to?" After that, Windows seems perfectly suited. What would you expect.

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> It makes me wonder how many patients have had to wait on care or didn't > get proper care because of an IT screwup related to Windows. I have to > say just _seeing_ Windows on machines in the ER made me livid. I found > it breathtaking they were that caviler about getting people checked in, >

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: > Ah, but the Crazy Cranky C Curmudgeons Classic Computer Talk list is a > subset of cctalk. But, there was a big crash a while back, and > separation of the lists hasn't been completely successful. Yes, quite correct and the tagline for the list is:

RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

> > It makes me wonder how many patients have had to wait on care or didn't get > proper care because of an IT screwup related to Windows. I have to say just > _seeing_ Windows on machines in the ER made me livid. I found it breathtaking > they were that caviler about getting people checked in,

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Josh Dersch wrote: Oh, I see what's going on. See, this is the "cctalk" (Classic Computing Talk) mailing list. I think what you're meaning to send this to is the "ccctalk" (Cranky C Curmudgeons Talk) mailing list. Could we maybe talk about classic computing rather than go

Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > (I was already notorious for refusing to switch to Microsoft Outlook; I > read my mail on-spool, as God intended, over a terminal window.) Damn straight! Check my mail headers and you'll find Alpine :-) > Fast-forward to fall 2003, when I was now a

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Paul Koning wrote: ["Demystification"] Those first two titles sound reasonable. The third sounds strangely touchy-feely rather than like an engineering course. A touchy-feely nickname applied by those who personally wouldn't have anything to do with it. They had a

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> > Assembler on a Series/1 is a problem as it's a closed system. Can't be > > run under emulation. No modern replacements available. > > You make some excellent points about the hardware and the difficulty of > emulation et al. When it comes to firing nuclear weapons, personally I'd > like to

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On Fri, 27 May 2016, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > I was at IBM from 1979 through 1997. Started in Boca Raton and finished > up in Austin. It was the Boulder site the whole time for me. Used to be a printer and tape drive manufacturing site. Then they converted the manufacturing floors to hosted

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> For some reason Windows computers in Hospital seem especially prone to viral > infections. When I left full-time IT work at the university in 1999, at that time the wacky network admin used an NT 4 desktop because it was (in his opinion) the best Windows money could buy and he wouldn't deign

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

> On May 27, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > ... > Anyway, back to, . . . > Clancy and Harvey reworked the UC undergraduate lower division (first two > years) curriculum. They setup a three course sequence at the core, > consisting of "Abstraction", "Data

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> I had words with Clancy and Harvey. While need may be diminshed, > there is never a complete elimination of the need to pay attention to, > and optimize near, the level of hardware. [top posted, with Swift's remarks below] The Clancy and Harvey topic is about curriculum, and teaching of

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> On May 27, 2016, at 09:31 , Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > > > I don’t recall anyone who did but everyone was locked out of the labs until > security came through and collected all the materials. Wow, that's a legendary level of spite. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X

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On 2016-05-27 12:54 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: ... I'm not saying the state of the art can't be improved. I only assert that there are some strategies for doing so that seem flawed

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[mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Swift Griggs Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 8:53 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: vintage computers in active use On Thu, 26 May 2016, Bryan C. Everly wrote: > I did work in UNIX on a Series-1 in the telecom sp

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Swift > Griggs > Sent: 27 May 2016 16:11 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: vintage computers in active use >

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> On May 27, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > On Fri, 27 May 2016, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: >> There was a political fight within IBM and the Unix center of competency >> moved from Boca Raton, FL to Austin, TX. All of the Series/1 Unix >> materials were

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> OK, there are hundreds of different SLT "cards", ie. the PC boards. But, > reading some FE docs on bitsavers, it seems that all SLT 360's were built > with 95+ % of the SLT "modules" consisting of only 6 types. Yes, a remarkably few number of modules make up a huge bulk of the population. Of

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On 5/27/2016 9:08 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: While I don't formally do agile, what I do do is in line with many of >the principles behind agile - things like "release early, release >often", short iterations, and constant customer involvement. I can appreciate some of the elements, also. It's

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> OK, where can you buy some? You ask the community. You ask on the list or elsewhere. "Hey, I need a 361459. Anyone have one?". >They haven't been made since about 1970. But in those six or seven years - wow, did they make a lot of them. In Binghamton, we have some of those dumb desk ornament

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> From: Guy Sotomayor Jr > There was a political fight within IBM and the Unix center of > competency moved .. All of the Series/1 Unix materials were destroyed > at that point I wonder if any of the engineers who worked on it kept a copy at home (as engineers will often do)?

Doomed, expensive IT projects billed to taxpayers - was Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-05-27 12:16 PM, Alan Perry wrote: On May 27, 2016, at 08:41, Swift Griggs wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Toby Thain wrote: We're pretty much already there. Agreed. You should hear one of my buddies talk about the air traffic control software he wrote which was

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> On May 27, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > On Thu, 26 May 2016, Bryan C. Everly wrote: >> I did work in UNIX on a Series-1 in the telecom space. It probably >> still is in use. > > What kind of Unix did they run? There is almost no information on >

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On 05/26/2016 10:40 PM, William Donzelli wrote: Another CHM volunteer (from the PDP-1 Restoration Project) and I pushed for an IBM 360/30 Restoration Project, and the ability to build replacements for failed SLT modules was part of our plan. I am still trying to figure in which universe are SLT

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> As far as I can tell, if I suddenly need a specific SLT module, the > odds of finding that specific module at any given time on eBay is > essentially zero. Stuff with standard SLT shows up on Ebay quite often. Not every day, but one could build up a decent pile of SLT cards in time to harvest

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> On May 27, 2016, at 08:41, Swift Griggs wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 May 2016, Toby Thain wrote: >> We're pretty much already there. > > Agreed. You should hear one of my buddies talk about the air traffic > control software he wrote which was replaced with some horror. >

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Mouse wrote: > Agile and XP are less about programming productivity in isolation and > more about customer interfacing - and therefore productivity in terms of > producing happy customers Well, as you suspected, I wasn't really thinking about that. That's the convenience

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On Thu, 26 May 2016, Bryan C. Everly wrote: > I did work in UNIX on a Series-1 in the telecom space. It probably > still is in use. What kind of Unix did they run? There is almost no information on Wikipedia or elsewhere. I'm just curious because I've heard of PC/IX, IX/370, and of course

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On Thu, 26 May 2016, Toby Thain wrote: > We're pretty much already there. Agreed. You should hear one of my buddies talk about the air traffic control software he wrote which was replaced with some horror. > Audits of the F35 software found: > * single points of failure (grounding global

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

> I've worked under Agile and XP regimes and I hate both with a > passion. They were both a *huge* productivity drag (ever actually > tried "pair programming"?) Yes. I've done agile and XP and even a little pair programming. And...I agree and I disagree. If you have a small project, something

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On Thu, 26 May 2016, Dave Wade wrote: > Assembler on a Series/1 is a problem as it's a closed system. Can't be > run under emulation. No modern replacements available. You make some excellent points about the hardware and the difficulty of emulation et al. When it comes to firing nuclear

ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

On Thu, 26 May 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: > I had words with Clancy and Harvey. While need may be diminshed, there > is never a complete elimination of the need to pay attention to, and > optimize near, the level of hardware. I'm going to loudly agree here. While I find assembly coding somewhat

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> I have used the following operating systems: [...] > Now will somebody explain to me why windows is considered not good. There are, of course, almost as many answers to that as there are people holding that opinion. My own answers? It's closed source. It appears to put usefulness to users

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> On May 26, 2016, at 10:14 PM, geneb wrote: > >> I begged for it anyway, and was told that because it was part of an active >> program (testing for some fighter jet), it was still in use. When I >> suggested modernizing, I was told that changing the hardware would require

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On 5/27/16 5:03 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Now will somebody explain to me why windows is considered not good. It became too popular, and created a monoculture that was a prime target for malware. It also didn't start out that way, but it evolved into an OS that would only run on one

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On 27/05/2016 10:33, Holm Tiffe wrote: Toby Thain wrote: [..] Yes, this is only one of the reasons I don't like Windows, but the germanys government has decided to shut down any nuclear plant anyways after the fukushima desaster. But controlling weapons wth Windoze would be another story.

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Toby Thain wrote: [..] > > > > Yes, this is only one of the reasons I don't like Windows, but the > > germanys government has decided to shut down any nuclear plant anyways > > after the fukushima desaster. > > > > But controlling weapons wth Windoze would be another story. > > > > Not

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I wrote: > Another CHM volunteer (from the PDP-1 Restoration Project) and I > pushed for an IBM 360/30 Restoration Project, and the ability to build > replacements for failed SLT modules was part of our plan. On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > I am

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> Another CHM volunteer (from the PDP-1 Restoration Project) and I > pushed for an IBM 360/30 Restoration Project, and the ability to build > replacements for failed SLT modules was part of our plan. I am still trying to figure in which universe are SLT modules so rare that one needs to fabricate

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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 05/26/2016 06:18 PM, Mike Ross wrote: >> >> It was a few years ago now and it's third hand - but I was told that the >> US Navy still maintained a shop dedicated exclusively to repairing IBM SLT >> modules... can't

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On 2016-05-26 10:48 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote: Toby Thain wrote: On 2016-05-26 3:17 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote: Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too:

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I begged for it anyway, and was told that because it was part of an active program (testing for some fighter jet), it was still in use. When I suggested modernizing, I was told that changing the hardware would require *re-certifying the entire workflow*. In other words, it was far more

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On Thu, 26 May 2016, Jay West wrote: Interesting to note - pick basic used p-code. The basic "compiler" (written It still does, unless the code (under D3) has been "flash" compiled - which turns the BASIC code into C and then feeds THAT into cc. Note that the BASIC compiler in OpenQM (and

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On 05/26/2016 06:20 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > While the existence of such projects is ... questionable to begin > with, one might think the continual under-delivery (across all > military boondoggles) might give taxpayers pause. I see a lot of "we're going to do it because we can, not because it's

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On 2016-05-26 2:39 PM, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: And, THAT is why it MUST be replaced immediately by "modern" hardware and software, to put an end to that. Windows10 can change that. Yes, and while we're at it, put it

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On 2016-05-26 3:17 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote: Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 extract: The report said that the

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On 05/26/2016 06:18 PM, Mike Ross wrote: It was a few years ago now and it's third hand - but I was told that the US Navy still maintained a shop dedicated exclusively to repairing IBM SLT modules... can't vouch for the veracity of that; perhaps someone else can. http://www.corestore.org Hmm,

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On 05/26/2016 05:57 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > The B2 bomber gets the mission data loaded on a Maxxoptix optical > cartridge. I recognized it as I have a Maxxoptix drive here. Not > quite as old as 7-track mag tape, but a fairly old technology. it > was probably state of the art when the were

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-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jwsmobile Sent: 26 May 2016 18:47 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts They used 7 track tapes for Nike Ajax targeting data that could not be erased due to how they were recorded. The

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On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this > morning too: > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 > > extract: > The report said that the Department of Defence

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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Ethan O'Toole > > > Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and ... source > > generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern replacements > can > > be had for old belt

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> From: Ethan O'Toole > Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and ... source > generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern replacements can > be had for old belt drive floppys and computer tape drives? > I think the audio cassette deck enthusiasts do

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Chuck wrote... Meh, I'll not too willingly concede that one. P-code is also a made-up machine language. But one difference I'll toss out there... p-code wasn't meant to be written in directly. Pick assembler was; so it included the full suite of ORG, EQU, MACRO, LIST, NOLIST

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I did work in UNIX on a Series-1 in the telecom space. It probably still is in use. About like an AS/400. They were built like tanks and never seemed to break. Thanks, Bryan On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Jay West wrote: > Brent wrote... > -- > The

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On 05/26/2016 12:27 PM, Jay West wrote: > Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language): --- > "typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was > not? --- Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language. > They could not afford a machine when they

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On 26/05/2016 19:03, Brent Hilpert wrote: All this reminds me of the systems I've missed out on: A few years ago, a high school acquaintance I chanced to meet and who was working in operations control at a local oil refinery told me the large multi-rack PDP-11 system for process control had

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> On May 26, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Jay West wrote: > > Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language): > --- > "typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was not? > --- > Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language. MIX would

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Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language): --- "typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was not? --- Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language. They could not afford a machine when they began development of the OS. So they wrote the

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-05-26 4:01 PM, Diane Bruce wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 03:31:42PM -0300, Paul Berger wrote: On 2016-05-26 2:32 PM, Diane Bruce wrote: ... http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/01/000/186.pdf Yeah the Bruce plant used to run on PDP-8s, a friend of

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Fred Cisin wrote: > On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: > > A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this > > morning too: > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 > > extract: > > The report said that the Department of Defence systems that

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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 03:31:42PM -0300, Paul Berger wrote: > On 2016-05-26 2:32 PM, Diane Bruce wrote: ... > > > > http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/01/000/186.pdf > > > > > Yeah the Bruce plant used to run on PDP-8s, a friend of mine worked > there on a work

RE: vintage computers in active use

What about rubber belts for floppy drives? Spares will have perished as well... Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and measure the belts / source generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern replacements can be had for old belt drive floppys and computer tape

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On 2016-05-26 1:53 PM, Jay West wrote: Brent wrote... -- The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and tanker support aircraft "runs on an IBM Series-1 Computer - a 1970s computing

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