Well my opinion is that if we don't nuke them all now, in 20 years the
whole world is going to be nuclear. There is nothing we can do to stop
it. So, would we rather have them get the nuclear tech from the US,
China, or Russia?
jon
Todd wrote:
No kidding. Did anyone else detect a few
ROFLOL
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Thanks Nick, it was so we could point a client at it and say Look, if
you stick to 800x600 designs, then a lump of people won't see it
Too funny!
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From: Adam Phillip Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:49 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Argentina
Hey Todd!
why don't you run for president of Argentina.
They have had 5 in two weeks. Surely you have just as good
cool beans.
may have to check them out
-paul
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From: Nathan Stanford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:12 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Check out some classes I am working on...
These are FREE Classes Some of them are not setup just
I just read a bit about the (supposed) new Apple release, the iWalk, and
a question occured to me. Is it against the law to reveal information
about a companies product? I'm _not_ talking about employees who sign
employee contracts, but outside folk. Ie, if I don't work for Apple, and
I find out
How could you find out without either you , or someone else, breaking
the law?
-Gel
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I just read a bit about the (supposed) new Apple release, the iWalk, and
a question occured to me. Is it against the law to reveal
Let's say I overheard Steve Jobs. That would also answer Gel's query.
Assume an insider broke the law, but, let's say it was an accident.
Perhaps a flub at a conference. I guess 'accidents' are still breaking
the law, but, let's go down that route.
The scenario is:
Steve Jobs, talking at a
I do not believe you are bound by any law to keep your mouth shut. Now how
you found out about it may be a question. Were you spying, did someone from
Apple blab, did you over here a conversation? I think this is what happens
when the press say's an anonymous source.
Rick
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That could be a deliberate leak.
Rick
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:42 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: A legal question
Let's say I overheard Steve Jobs. That would also answer Gel's query.
Assume an insider
Then I would assume you are safe, so... tell me! tell me!
At 10:41 AM 1/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Let's say I overheard Steve Jobs. That would also answer Gel's query.
Assume an insider broke the law, but, let's say it was an accident.
Perhaps a flub at a conference. I guess 'accidents' are still
Uh.. if they are free... why am I asked to pay $10 for them?
Marcus
These are FREE Classes Some of them are not setup just yet but I have
started on them If you have any other class you want let me know.
1) 2230 - ColdFusion: 101 For Beginners
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Heh, no, I don't know anything (err you know what I mean). It was
just something that I thought of when I saw the site talking about the
iWalk, or whatever it's called.
cf_startflamewar
Not that I care about the Mac. It's only for those art freak type people
who like slow machines with a UI
I asked about this years back. If something is said publicly, overheard or
slipped out and you are not directly covered by an NDA you are legally free
to speak about it. If something under NDA is let out to the public then the
NDA for that portion is no longer binding. Both of these concepts
sorry... the ColdFusion one has changed... all of the others are free right
now... the ColdFusion is no longer free. Once I get the others setup with
all of the classes then they too will not be free however if you have
already signed up you will not be charged... that is why I sent out the
There is a huge difference between what is supposedly allowed under the
tenents of the Constitution and what a team of skilled and driven attorneys
can and will do to you in civil court if you exercise your so-called civil
rights in a way that displeases the powerful.
It's just best to keep your
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Not sure if this has been posted in here or not, but I was sure that at least
a few of you would think it was neato...
http://www.csupomona.edu/~jelerma/springfield/map/
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Heh, at first I thought this was a real city, then I noticed:
Legitimate Businessman's Social Club (Fat Tony's Club)
-rc
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From: fluffy bananachunks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Map of Springfield.
Kinda sad.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020103/ts/clinton_buddy_dc_1.html
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I just checked it out and the stuff I mentioned about being able to speak
on overheard topics was concerning insider trading. I'll have to refer you
to slashdot's archives for first amendment issues and overheard stuff.
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Kinda sad.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020103/ts/clinton_buddy_dc_1.html
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From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:25 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: In Other news
Kinda sad.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020103/ts/clinton_buddy_dc_1.html
I uploaded the Denis Leary kids sketch to the www.houseoffusion.com/media
directory. Enjoy.
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How would making a web site about a secret product be insider trading?
-rc
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:27 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: I was wrong
I just checked it out and the stuff I mentioned
Then it's the person that broke the law that is to be blamed, and
possibly charged..not you.
If some employee posts stuff on Yahoo or tells CNN about some new
classified product, no one blames CNN for announcing what was said, in
the context of it being unverified and perhaps stating their
Any non-publicly released information about a company by people inside the
company or people in certain relationships to people in the company that is
used to change the stock price can fall under insider trading. On the other
hand, information that is overheard can be considered non-insider
Go ahead and spill your guts Raymond. Should we go buy stock or what?
Mark
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:42 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: A legal question
Let's say I overheard Steve Jobs. That would also
yes an I noticed the home for the mentally instable lol
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From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Like I said, I know nothing. :)
-rc
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From: Mark Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: A legal question
Go ahead and spill your guts Raymond. Should we go buy stock or what?
Mark
Well said. On that note, I have to leave the office for a minute to go
see my broker, I mean, brother...
Mark
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:55 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: A legal question
Like I said, I
:( I can't get the site to come up
Hatton
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From: fluffy bananachunks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Map of Springfield.
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But if you were to know something, what do you think it could be.
hypothetically speaking ;) ;) ;)
At 11:55 AM 1/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Like I said, I know nothing. :)
-rc
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From: Mark Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:46
But if you were to know something, what do you think it could be.
hypothetically speaking ;) ;) ;)
Here is my secret...
Apple will release an OS that more than 5% of the world will want to
use!
S, don't tell anyone!
-rc
Well see, I know your lying.
Here is my secret...
Apple will release an OS that more than 5% of the world will want to
use!
S, don't tell anyone!
-rc
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-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: A legal question
But if you were to know something, what do you think it could be.
hypothetically
Your not talking about that add on that allows someone to run any OS on top
of OS X are you? The one where you can have your powerbook running win2k,
linux, win XP, solaris, etc. at the same time?
At 12:02 PM 1/3/02, you wrote:
But if you were to know something, what do you think it could
I was joking, but you are talking about Virtual PC, which, actually,
sounds dang nice from the reviews I've read.
-rc
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:01 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: A legal question
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 'insider trading' refer only to when a
individual or corporation profits from shares on the stock market (or other
securities) by either buying or selling shares with 'insider' knowledge that
a particular company event (a product release or annual forecast)
Lawyers use the same laws to get their way in these things. You have
insider trading laws, copyright laws, trademark laws, etc. All are used to
stop people from writing in many places and cases. I remember years ago
paramount sending cease and desist letters to all of the star trek fan
sites.
Last night around 5 or so the police closed off Broadway from 41st down.
There was a report of a ticking mail truck or something of the sort. I'm on
contract right there and was it all. What I didn't see was any mention of
it on the news. Has anyone?
Wasn't there a recent case concerning one of the US automotive
companies and somone posting corporate secrets on a website? I believe
the site owner was vindicated. Ah, I found it:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2329896,00.html?chkpt=hpq
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So, in theory, the publication of any _fact_ (and not prose, ie, poetry,
etc) will always be protected speech, as long as the fact is true (ie,
not libel).
Now, you may break the law _getting_ that fact - you may also break the
law for WHY you publicized the fact, but the actual publication of
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Anyone have a telnet scripting tool? I have Albert Yales V.1 but
I didn't even see this on 1010wins.com so I doubt that the story is anywhere else.
BTW - nobody makes ticking bombs anymore...
Howie
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From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:06 PM
Subject: can't
I was about to write a very good, detailed and valid reason to using
ticking packages but when I re-read it I realized that it could get me into
real trouble. Instead let me just say that the ticking was what I heard
from someone. The cops I saw for myself.
At 04:34 PM 1/3/02, you wrote:
I
Yeah .. nukes don't tick, they just make 1 really loud bang =-)
Todd
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Todd for President
Ticking down the seconds until he nukes the world, for a better tomorrow.
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From: Howie Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January
All these legal questions. I can't tell you the actual laws, however I
can share with you a little anecdote from my past
I was given a job offer, and negotiations fell apart, so I was brought
into the company as a consultant. The idea was that after a month they
would see how I fit in
Since I never saw / read / nor signed a non disclosure agreement, can I
really be held to it? Theoretically, I was exposed to some of the
companies intellectual property.
Absolutely not. If you didn't sign an NDA you can say whatever you want.
If the employer was stupid enough to allow you
postscript to my last point:
That is of course limited to talking writing etc... It would be a different
story if you walked out with a disc with software on it... but you would not
be restricted in terms of being able to talk about the software i.e.
fully describe it right down to the fine
In addition to Benjamin's comments, NDA's are not even legally binding
in some states here in the US, whether you have signed it or not.
Florida is one such state...
http://www.abcsmallbiz.com/bizbasics/gettingstarted/nda_basics.html
jon
Jeffry Houser wrote:
All these legal questions. I
Here it will vary state by state. In general you are correct, but depending
on verbal agreements, and existing agreements, and sometimes the general
perception of the employer.
Absolutely not. If you didn't sign an NDA you can say whatever you want.
If the employer was stupid enough to allow
In most cases (in Kentucky) it all depends on if the company has the money
to keep you in court long enough to make you stop trying.
Non-competes are fun here. I have one. But they are not legally binding at
all, the employers know this, but they still include them because of
potential
perhaps, but how do you qualify a verbal agreement. Most verbal agreements
do not stand up in court because it's one persons word against another... In
that instance the employer would have to say 'and we agree that you will not
divulge any information you see/hear etc while working here' and the
Never try to interpret the law as a layman using common sense and logic,
because there are many layers of complexity to which you have not been
exposed and therefore may not be aware of.
I will tell you the same thing that any attorney not primarily interested in
earning defense fees from you
Your email is from a domain called hbo3.com. If HBO ever decided to sue for that
domain name they would probably win. Not because
they have any rights to it but because they have lawyers and fear on their side. Same
with speech. It doesn't matter if the speech
is open and clear. A lawyer can
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