Re: MENTALLY ILL MAN MAY REFUSE TREATMENT, COURT RULES

2003-06-09 Thread Deanna Schneider
How about having your significant other tell you that Satan told him to sleep on the floor so that he doesn't kill you tonight? Does that count? First-hand experience with mental illness does not make me think that meds should be mandated. Now, had he actually killed mewell that's another

Re: import

2003-06-09 Thread Deanna Schneider
No, I don't work with the text file in CF. I have a dummy access datasource that I use (cause I don't have to bug the server admins that way). So, I read it into access and the do a query on the access db and loop it and dump each record into Oracle. -d - Original Message - From: Dana

RE: rental cars + car seats

2003-06-09 Thread Marlon Moyer
You also may want to check into renting a car (read minivan) with built in carseats. Marlon -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: rental cars + car seats Just so you know, carseats are

Damn you dreamweaver!

2003-06-09 Thread Kevin Graeme
Okay, this is the second time this has happened in the last year. I open DWMX and ALL of my defined sites are gone! GONE! Some days I really hate Macromedia software. So does anyone know where the site definitions get stored? I can see stuff for my old sites in C:\Documents and

RE: import

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Doom
: I can not deal with databases that give me back a different value : from what I inserted. : : If I insert the string 'This is a string ' into a varchar field, : I want it back with the trailing space, not without it. If I : insert a 50 character string in a 25 character field, I want an :

Re: 28 days - buy it now

2003-06-09 Thread William Wheatley
never saw it, but if 28 days is any good i'll go see it on the big screen. But they won out anyway i paid more in the conversion from pounds to dollars ;) When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people

Worst Movies

2003-06-09 Thread Marlon Moyer
Okay, even though I was warned, I watched Highlander II, the Quickening. This was truly horrible. I watched it and wondered about the writing team. Here's my take on it. 1st Writer: Okay, so has everyone seen the first movie? SILENCE. 1st Writer: Okay, so has anyone seen the first movie?

Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Doug White
http://www.clickonsa.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-225690320030609-060648.html Khalis Sheikh Mohammed is one of two high-ranking al Qaeda members to tell U.S. agents that there was no alliance betwen Baghdad and al Qaeda.

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Angel Stewart
Hmm.. AFAIK when Al Qaida does something, or is involved with a country they don't pull punches and come right out and say so. -Gel -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.clickonsa.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-225690320030609-060648 .html Khalis

RE: Worst Movies

2003-06-09 Thread Jim Davis
I can't believe that they got Sean Connery to appear! I think they must have hidden the script from him... Jim Davis President, http://www.depressedpress.com Webmaster, http://www.firstnight.org Webmaster, http://www.cfAdvocacy.org Senior Consultant, http://www.metlife.com -Original

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Nick McClure
Something tells me if we are talking to them, they aren't very high ranking any more. -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:47 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Saw the stories. Am very skeptical. Question is, if you are Al-Qaida, what damages the US more? Again, we have to be more questioning of EVERYTHING we hear, not just that which challenges are beliefs. Andy -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

Re: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
Doesn't mean they weren't, or are not correct. While I agree with Andy that a lot of skepticism is called for, I don't think the story can be dismissed out of habd. Dana Nick McClure writes: Something tells me if we are talking to them, they aren't very high ranking any more.

Re: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Doug White
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RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Agreed -Original Message- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:44 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq Doesn't mean they weren't, or are not correct. While I agree with Andy that a lot of skepticism is

Sweet! V Returns!!

2003-06-09 Thread Raymond Camden
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/09/television.visitors.reut/index. html -rc ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription:

Re: Sweet! V Returns!!

2003-06-09 Thread SMR
haha.. cool... they are playing the V movie all the time on the Action channel.. - Original Message - From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Sweet! V Returns!!

Re: Sweet! V Returns!!

2003-06-09 Thread William Wheatley
yea bought the dvd while back i missed it When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off! Frank Barone, Everybody Loves Raymond - Original Message - From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Adam Reynolds
No you just believe the BS that the US put out to con the US people into supporting a war in Iraq. One of those gems was that Iraq was heavily involved in the support of Al-Qaida. Iraq and Al-Qaida are 2 seperate issues that were merged for war propaganda reasons, but they are distinctly

RE: Sweet! V Returns!!

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Doom
I'd heard of it but never seen it (hey! I was 3 yrs old!) but it's looking like I'm gonna have to find a copy. Looks pretty cool -- Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey Moonbow Software, Inc : -Original Message- : From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent:

RE: Sweet! V Returns!!

2003-06-09 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Speaking of which has anyone heard about the change at TNN to Spike TV... a Male Oriented television station to counter stations like Oxygen, Lifetime, Style, etc? http://www.thenewtnn.com/ ... looks interesting to say the least ;) Hatton -Original Message- From: SMR [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Sweet! V Returns!!

2003-06-09 Thread Raymond Camden
While a lot of the acting was a bit corny, the _concept_ of the show was very cool. Basically, and I don't think this is a spoiler, it's not like 99% of the Alien Invasion films where the Aliens just come in and blow everything up. It's a lot more subtle than most flicks. (Well, it's actually

Re: link check, quick poll

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
Well it reminds me of an issue like this I saw once in tech support. I could see the site just fine, but the customer insisted he could not. I wound up escalating the issue to the owner, who did the hands on server stuff, primarily because I knew the client in question was not given to

Re: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
I'm inclined to think they would brag about it... but that is utter speculation :) By the way isnt one of these guys the one they were bragging about capturing a week or so ago? Dana Angel Stewart writes: Hmm.. AFAIK when Al Qaida does something, or is involved with a country they don't

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Nick McClure
They never really said much about Iraq and Al-Qaida, they did talk a lot about Iraq and the Palestinian terrorists. It was known that saddam would give $25k to the family of a suicide bomber. If that doesn't support terrorism I don't know what does. -Original Message- From: Adam

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread John Stanley
So can you believe whatever they say? -Original Message- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:56 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq Hmm.. AFAIK when Al Qaida does something, or is involved with a

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Nick McClure
I agree, but it is foolish for us to think that these people have real information about what is going on right now in Al-Qaida. We also know there are many arms of Al-Qaida, other arms may have dealings with Iraq, or anybody else. The public has no clue how big this group, or any other groups

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Nick McClure
If they were to brag about it, we would have taken Iraq down much sooner, they would have known that. -Original Message- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread John Stanley
**Grog shakes fist at sky** Evil man make self into pieces to kill babies **Grog removes spiked club from head of terrorist** **Grog moves off over the hill** -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:50 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE:

Re: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
These guys are in US custody, Nick. Nick McClure writes: If they were to brag about it, we would have taken Iraq down much sooner, they would have known that. -Original Message- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:47 PM To:

Re: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
That Sheik Mohammed guy... I'd have to look this up but weren't they saying he was second in command or something when they captured him last week? Nick McClure writes: I agree, but it is foolish for us to think that these people have real information about what is going on right now in

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Boy, aren't we testy this morning :-) Let me answer in a slightly lighter tone: 1. Yes, I believed them. I trust people until they earn my distrust. Depending on the outcome of the studies, I may continue to distrust Bush or I may not. I am, however, waiting for the results and trying not to

back and test

2003-06-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yes, I've been off list for a few days. Friday/Saturday was holiday and Sunday was trying to finalize the auction code. I'll catch up on all the personal email after an hour or two of sleep. Till then, if anyone wants to go to this site: http://www.lotauctions.com/index.cfm?AffiliateID=123456789

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Nick McClure
Here is part of my point: How can we trust that the CIA knows the rank of these guys in the first place? It seems to me, that if these guys were high ranking, then there are a lot of high ranking Al-Qaida officials running around, considering the loss of these guys haven't really stopped any

RE: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread Mike Townend
I get a runtime error when clicking the calculator icon on the books detail, Object doesn't support this method or property IE6 Win2K HTH -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 9, 2003 18:25 To: CF-Community Subject: back and test

Re: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
You might be right. There is some good logic in what you say. But they were crowing over this guy the other week, it was the victory over terrorism du jour. I suspect he will suddenly become a nobody. I guess I just dislike being lied to. Dana Nick McClure writes: Here is part of my point:

RE:New Cable ( No spell checkers at Ablecommerce??)

2003-06-09 Thread Angel Stewart
It has certainly minimised the occurrence of the STOP errors. But I am still getting them..though much less frequently. I can now restart my machine without gettng the Primary/secondary drive errors. -Gel -Original Message- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] speaking of

Re: Sweet! V Returns!!

2003-06-09 Thread jon hall
I heard that Spike Lee was suing them because he has some kind of copyright on the word Spike... I didn't even know Spike Lee was still alive till I heard that lol. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, June 9, 2003, 1:29:17 PM, you wrote: CHH Speaking of which has anyone heard about the

Re: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread jon hall
Clicked review bid on this page http://www.lotauctions.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=739434311#BID and got CF error: Element NICKNAME is undefined in SESSION. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, June 9, 2003, 1:24:55 PM, you wrote: MD Yes, I've been off list for a few days.

Re: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
me too. line 29 char 4. IE 6 w98. Nothing else so far. I am assuming the test auctions are supposed to be blank? Dana Mike Townend writes: I get a runtime error when clicking the calculator icon on the books detail, Object doesn't support this method or property IE6 Win2K HTH

Re: New Cable ( No spell checkers at Ablecommerce??)

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
::nod::: well since my web host appears to be digesting my last set of emails and I can't do anything with that right now anyway maybe I will take the time and put my new cable on. Out of curiosity are you running a Dell? Dana Angel Stewart writes: It has certainly minimised the occurrence of

Re: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
does it say the template? I can't see it yet but I'm checking. Thanks for killing it so soon. Lets me fix it before the less tech savvy come in. :) Clicked review bid on this page http://www.lotauctions.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=739434311#BID and got CF error: Element NICKNAME is

RE: New Cable ( No spell checkers at Ablecommerce??)

2003-06-09 Thread Angel Stewart
Yup. A Dell 8200. -Gel -Original Message- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ::nod::: well since my web host appears to be digesting my last set of emails and I can't do anything with that right now anyway maybe I will take the time and put my new cable on. Out of curiosity

Re: New Cable ( No spell checkers at Ablecommerce??)

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
I figured it must be a Dell too, cause that's a wierd error... telling you it can't find ANY hard drives, then booting anyway. Going into hardware mode now. Dana Angel Stewart writes: Yup. A Dell 8200. -Gel -Original Message- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I've got to remove that. It's an 'add in program' that we didn't get with the core auction software. Problem is, we've modified it so much that its really not the same as the package we bought and I really think the company is out of business anyway. Looks like Able's got more room to grow to take

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Nick McClure
Well, it like any mob boss in the US. If they authorities take down some of the big guys, then they have an opportunity to greatly take away from the public effectiveness of the rest of the organization. Take away Osama from Al-Qaida, and you have a group of people, public perception is greatly

Real gameplay

2003-06-09 Thread Wayne Putterill
This is the best game I have played in ages - and it runs on just about any pc or pocket pc. I used to play games written by this guy back in my Atari ST days, and he's still good. May not be suitable for epileptics though. http://llamasoft.co.uk Gridrunner++ is the one I'm talking about

Re: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
This is really weird. I can't replicate the error and the code that may be the root of it is inside a try/catch. I'm going to turn on extended debugging. Can you try again? Thanks This is the page I end up on where I get the error. http://www.lotauctions.com/bid/index.cfm Element NICKNAME is

Re: Sweet! V Returns!!

2003-06-09 Thread William Wheatley
yes it looks awesome! When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off! Frank Barone, Everybody Loves Raymond - Original Message - From: C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community

Re: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread jon hall
Steps to recreate (for me at least). 1. Opened URL http://www.lotauctions.com/index.cfm?AffiliateID=123456789 2. Clicked Link: STAR TREK: NEW FRONTIER Set - Autographed! http://www.lotauctions.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=739434311 3. Click Button: Review Bid Error occurs now, on

Re: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
OK, got it. I was looking in the listing, not in the bid. Give me a few moments. Thanks Steps to recreate (for me at least). 1. Opened URL http://www.lotauctions.com/index.cfm?AffiliateID=123456789 2. Clicked Link: STAR TREK: NEW FRONTIER Set - Autographed!

What am I looking for?

2003-06-09 Thread Ian Skinner
I remember seeing these about, I even think I saw some here on HoF lists. But I can't remember enough to find them in Google and/or Hof Archive searches. I am looking for samples, examples and/or code for a JavaScript form control where you can select items from one list and add/remove them from

Re: What am I looking for?

2003-06-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Ian, Try this one, it even works on Safari for the Mac. http://javascript.internet.com/forms/form-swapper-2.html hth, larry I remember seeing these about, I even think I saw some here on HoF lists. But I can't remember enough to find them in Google and/or Hof Archive searches. I am looking

Re: What am I looking for?

2003-06-09 Thread Howie Hamlin
You're looking for cf_twoselectsrelated: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm#loc=en_usview=sn131viewName=ColdFusion%20ExtensionextID=1000288 HTH, Howie - Original Message - From: Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09,

RE: What am I looking for?

2003-06-09 Thread Ian Skinner
Thanks!!! Nearly exactly what I'm looking for, definitely saves me a lot of time trying to build it from scratch. I don't actually want a selected item to be removed from the first list, just added or removed from the second, but that should be a simple modification. It would have been a long

Re: back and test

2003-06-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
OK, that was a nasty error and its fixed. Thanks. It was all based on people without CC numbers bidding. Its been fixed. Oy Anyone else who wants to try and break it will be doing me a service. :) OK, got it. I was looking in the listing, not in the bid. Give me a few moments. Thanks Steps

RE: What am I looking for?

2003-06-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Glad to help, I ran across it a few months ago, and given the sort of lumber yard my memory is, nice to know I actually remembered where to find it. larry Thanks!!! Nearly exactly what I'm looking for, definitely saves me a lot of time trying to build it from scratch. I don't actually want a

A good american

2003-06-09 Thread William Wheatley
http://www.rleeermey.com/ :) Though i'm sure he's got dirt on him he's still a good american. When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off! Frank Barone, Everybody Loves Raymond

RE: A good american

2003-06-09 Thread Kevin Graeme
I'm not allowed to look at that site. -Kevin -Original Message- From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:19 PM To: CF-Community Subject: A good american http://www.rleeermey.com/ :) Though i'm sure he's got dirt on him he's still a good

802.11g

2003-06-09 Thread jon hall
Has anyone done a 802.11g setup yet? Any recommendations on hardware? The only hardware I see right now is Linksys... -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5

Re: 802.11g

2003-06-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I've been looking at the 892.11g stuff. I like the d-link products, they are pretty nice: http://www.dlink.com/products/wireless/index.asp Has anyone done a 802.11g setup yet? Any recommendations on hardware? The only hardware I see right now is Linksys... -- jon mailto:[EMAIL

Re: A good american

2003-06-09 Thread Adam Churvis
Bill, I have the Gunny on the publisher's links page for The ColdFusion MX Bible (bottom of the page, under my personal favorites): http://www.wiley.com/legacy/compbooks/churvis/links.html His Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in Full Metal Jacket was a real warm snuggly for me. The minute I saw the

RE: 802.11g

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Doom
From the Mac POV, there's the Airport Extreme. My experience with Airports is that they are really nice if you have a Mac to configure them and update the firmware. They seem to work well x-platform, but you do need that one Apple to do the config. -- Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Adam Reynolds
-Original Message- From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2003 18:07 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq Boy, aren't we testy this morning :-) I blew up some code I was deliverign on Wednesdayhope I get it

RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny Working With Iraq

2003-06-09 Thread Andy Ousterhout
No problem. If you can't blow off a little steam amongst friends, what good are they! Hope your code is lookin better. Andy -Original Message- From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:48 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Report: Al-Qaida Leaders Deny

What am I looking for?

2003-06-09 Thread cantrl . a
This is simple using qForms containers: http://www.pengoworks.com/index.cfm?action=get:qforms Is this the example you were looking for? http://www.pengoworks.com/qforms/docs/examples/containers.htm qForms has about a 20 - 30 minute learning curve to get started, but you get a lot in return.

Re: 802.11g

2003-06-09 Thread Doug White
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*snaps fingers*

2003-06-09 Thread Angel Stewart
Ky Laaarrgo! Aloone on Key Laaa-aaargo! How empty it seeemswith only my Dreee-aaamsss! Strange Caaargo! May come to Key Laaa-aa-rgo! But where is the face...my heart can't errasseee! The moon tide rolling in ffrom the sea.. Is lone-ly and it will always beee Till you're with

RE: 802.11g

2003-06-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Shawn, Have to disagree with you about this one. I've noticed on a couple of the other lists I'm on that that people have reported that the Linksys typically has a lot more problems than the D-Link systems. larry I would go with linksys before d-link. Linksys is what I use and I have not had

SOLVED Re: link check, quick poll

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
Geesh. An exchange of emails, increasingly frustrated on both sides, has brought out that when they reset web services for my account the alias was also reset and my link is now d917641.u27.0web-hosting.com , instead of d916795.u27.0web-hosting.com. Who'd have thunk? Geesh. Anyway, I have

Re: SOLVED Re: link check, quick poll

2003-06-09 Thread Doug White
So it WAS server configuration after all? Interesting that they were so clueless over the weekend. But glad it is back online. I tested the link and all works ok now. Doug == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions

Re: SOLVED Re: link check, quick poll

2003-06-09 Thread Dana Tierney
(laughs) hey at least now I can get the stinking forum transferred and move on with my life :) transfer the domain and... all that. They probably have some kid in there on weekends who has instructions not to escalate anything except a fire in the facility :) I will give them this though, they

Re: SOLVED Re: link check, quick poll

2003-06-09 Thread Doug White
Don't apologize to me for not moving to my host, I completely understand. I remain a competitor, not the sole solution! LOL Wait 'til you see the prices for CFMX on Win2003! Those damn software licenses are climbing out of sight.! The hardware requirements are no slouch either, but for the