Re: Fifth flight for the month goes down.

2005-08-24 Thread Matthew Blatchley
And then the mechanics' all go on strike too. Maybe they now more than the rest of us, and the airlines won't pay for it because they need the help from the Gov to help cover with the cost...which is a scary thought in itself :( ~~

Re: how sweet is today's woot?

2005-08-24 Thread Charlie Griefer
it's the $5 shipping that kills it for me. that's just outrageous. :) On 8/25/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if i could justify the money spent on "just a TV", this would be sooo > worth it. > > http://www.woot.com > -- > == > Ray Champagne > Applicat

how sweet is today's woot?

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Champagne
if i could justify the money spent on "just a TV", this would be sooo worth it. http://www.woot.com -- == Ray Champagne Application Developer CrystalVision Web Site Design http://www.crystalvision.org 603.433.9559 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==

Re: Fifth flight for the month goes down.

2005-08-24 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> http://tinyurl.com/bz9dn > Is there anyone who does NOT think this is scarily > strange? > This totally goes against every long held statistic about > airline travel safety. > Maybe planes are simply all getting very old, but because > of the cost > involved airlines are struggling to keep thei

subversion

2005-08-24 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
okay... it's late... I'm tired and frustrated... and we're in the midst of a major rollout at my day job... Someone on cf-talk or cf-community recently commented about Subversion, saying that it seemed to be a growing trend for OS projects to distribute their subversion repository info so that peo

Fifth flight for the month goes down.

2005-08-24 Thread Vivec
http://tinyurl.com/bz9dn Is there anyone who does NOT think this is scarily strange? This totally goes against every long held statistic about airline travel safety. Maybe planes are simply all getting very old, but because of the cost involved airlines are struggling to keep their ageing, and no

Re: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Vivec
I like it. I'd suggest a bit more margin space between the text and the images on some of the content pages. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/b

[MLB] Royals win!

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Champagne
Hey, G, you should be happy tonight. Awesome game. The Sox could only contain those scoring opps so many times Great game! Can't believe I stayed up through all that to watch my boys lose, but great game anyways. -- == Ray Champagne Application Developer Cryst

Re: Double Posts

2005-08-24 Thread Vivec
Me neither ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:171040 Archive

RE: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Nick McClure
I think I found the problem, looks like there is a file system corruption going on, and maybe a drive going out. Good thing the drive is under warranty and in a mirror :) -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:27 PM To: CF-Community Subj

RE: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Nick McClure
You know, you'd be very very surprised about that. Yes the bride and the mother do make many of the choices, but it is become a lot more common for the groom to get involved with some of the choices. But I do see the point with the kids, their cute and all, but maybe not as the initial pic -

RE: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Nick McClure
Just a guy from around here. -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:34 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: New Simple Site Dude, who is the guy in this pic? David from 90210? He could be a body double if not :) http://www

Re: Weegs and Tango

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Champagne
oops, forgot MT has left this building. Ray Champagne wrote: > You guys out there tonight? I've got some stuff to ask you about, but > I'd rather do it off list. > > Email me back at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you're onI'd appreciate it > -- == Ray Champagne Applicat

Re: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Champagne
Dude, who is the guy in this pic? David from 90210? He could be a body double if not :) http://www.mcclure-photo.com/weddings/a003.jpg Anyways, I like the site. Me, I'd change the font to a non-serif one, but I'd also preface that with the fact that I'm no designer Nick McClure wro

Weegs and Tango

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Champagne
You guys out there tonight? I've got some stuff to ask you about, but I'd rather do it off list. Email me back at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you're onI'd appreciate it -- == Ray Champagne Application Developer CrystalVision Web Site Design http://www.crystalvision.org

Re: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
further comment, some of the image links in the portfolio aren't just taking between a long time and forever, they are hanging indefinitely. The one I clicked before I sent the last email about this still says image loading. I am giving up now, what was that, about 20-30 minutes? I'd check that out

Re: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
he has a point though, from a marketing point of view. For my sister, the whole point of her wedding was "I get to be the princess!" And guess what, it's the bride and her mother who make most of the buying decisions in a wedding. Dana On 8/24/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That fr

RE: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Nick McClure
That front image is actually picked at random. -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:09 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: New Simple Site So... you specialize in the homosexual child marriages? ;^) Personally I would hit the point

RE: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: New Simple Site > > Hey, can you guys look over this and let me know what you think. > > > > Its pretty simple, but that was the idea: > > http:/

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:50 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Inside 9/11 > > It may be humanly *understandable.* But no, it isn't good, I agree. My > opinion is that he should have said kids, it's been fun, but I h

Re: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Marlon Moyer
How about separating the menu out from the text. When you go to the pricing page, all of the text including the menu is the same color and close to eachother. On 8/24/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, can you guys look over this and let me know what you think. > > > > Its pret

Re: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
didn't notice a slow download for the site but I had it in the background while doing something else. But ya, two minutes is definitely way too long and in the portfolio it's pretty slow too, keep wandering off while waiting for stuff to grow. Also not all the img links seem to work? On http://ww

RE: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Nick McClure
Two minutes! This is on one of my servers at home, running over the DSL, it might be time to see about some outside hosting for this site. Anybody know where I can get good cheap .NET and CF hosting? -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August

Re: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Kevin Graeme
It's too slow for me. I got tired after waiting 2 minutes for the homepage to load. On 8/24/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, can you guys look over this and let me know what you think. > > > > Its pretty simple, but that was the idea: > > > > http://www.mcclure-photo.com/we

Re: New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
couple minor suggestions... on first page, a hair of space between the image and the script text. Yes, the lower loops extend over the graphis anyway but it feels a little, um crowded somehow. On portfolio page, I wanted to scroll down and found there was no down to scroll to. Feels cut off. Nice

New Simple Site

2005-08-24 Thread Nick McClure
Hey, can you guys look over this and let me know what you think. Its pretty simple, but that was the idea: http://www.mcclure-photo.com/weddings ~| Purchase Captivate from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized A

Re: [MLB} what happened, Weeg?

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Champagne
of no competition in their division? :) or utter disappointment in the post-season? Cameron Childress wrote: > Go Braves! On the way to 14 years in a row... > > -Cameron > -- = Ray Champagne - Senior Application Developer Cryst

Re: [MLB} what happened, Weeg?

2005-08-24 Thread Cameron Childress
Go Braves! On the way to 14 years in a row... -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get Instant Hacker Protection, Virus Det

Re: Anyone in Salt Lake City?

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
umm I meant the interstate hereI grant you that given what you're saying the people in Salt Lake City may not be safe... On 8/24/05, brobborb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am a bit concerned I haven't any bowel movements in a week. I mean i > needed to go yesterday, but i held it in cos

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
he was informed after the *second* plane hit the trade center. On 8/24/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was being a bit flippantbut since you can > > "guarantee" that didn't happen.what did happen? > > I don't know what happened, but I can guarantee that someone didn'

Re: Anyone in Salt Lake City?

2005-08-24 Thread brobborb
I am a bit concerned I haven't any bowel movements in a week. I mean i needed to go yesterday, but i held it in cos i was sleepy, and when i woke up the feelin was gone. - Original Message - From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:00 PM S

Re: Anyone in Salt Lake City?

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
Ah, you've left Albuquerque and it's safe to get on the interstate again? On 8/24/05, brobborb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just wonderin! Can't wait till the winter it's gonna look sooo pretty! Goin > out for chinese now :D -- He don't understand that sometimes a man Has got to fight for wh

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
Maybe not. I can't point to specific operational knowledge but at that point the plane headed for the White House was still in the air, correct? So there was a time factor. I seem to recall that there was debate post-9/11 as to whether it would have been appropriate to shoot it down. So that policy

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
It may be humanly *understandable.* But no, it isn't good, I agree. My opinion is that he should have said kids, it's been fun, but I have to go now. And exited stage right while getting people started on a response. Bush gets the benefit of the doubt way to often. What would I do? I don't know, b

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
what's your definition of a neo-fascist? On 8/24/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because the Democrats with their social policies tend to be much more > neo-fascist than the Republicans ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Express

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
I was in Galveston and some homeless guy stopped me on the street and told me that two planes crashed into the World Trade Center. I thought he was nuts and made soothing noises as I backed away ::sigh:: in some ways it's sad I that I would probably no longer do that. On 8/24/05, Gruss Gott <[

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
Wasn't what his aide whispered "America is under attack"?? Dana On 8/24/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to play devil's advocate. The first plane was looked at as an accident > by anybody outside of the air traffic control center, until the second plane > hit some 20 minutes

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Dana
but he wasnt gathering facts... he was sitting there thunderstruck. > plane hit we did not know what was going on. It took a few minutes to > gather the facts and make an educated assumption as to what was > happening. -- He don't understand that sometimes a man Has got to fight for what he bel

Re: Sam's Economy Thread

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote: > > I've only got the old "Kung-Fu Grip" model. > The gym shower was really cold and I was just itching! ~| Now there’s a better way to fax. eFax makes it possible to use your existing email account to send and

Re: speaking of politics

2005-08-24 Thread Marlon Moyer
You've been reading all the wrong propaganda. Reread the bible, there's plenty of killing in it. On 8/23/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was gonna post about that today. As a Christian (not me, him), on a > Christian show, I can't believe the crap spouting out of his mouth. I >

Re: Sam's Economy Thread

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
Yeah, yeah, it's all a smoke screen, start stocking up on those canned goods for the fallout shelter. :) In the 90's we were told the economy was great but in reality that was based on 20 years of projected growth, which we all know never came about. Your analogy assumes the deficit is skyrocketing

RE: Sam's Economy Thread

2005-08-24 Thread Matthew Small
Um, hmmm, how to say this... The economy right now is like that person who goes to the check-cashing place on payday every week. That person is fine the first week because he's now got almost twice as much money to spend. The second week he's got to get enough money out to pay off the check fee f

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
For a long time it was just a fire with rumors of a plane crash On 8/24/05, G wrote: > I sure thought it was an accident. I remember i was reading my morning paper > online when it ran a little blurb: "breaking news, plane crashes into WTC". > > I remember chuckling to myself thinking "some drunk

Re: Sam's Economy Thread

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
Exactly my point. Your like the weatherman, your wrong most of the time. You run around screaming the sky is falling based on dislike for the President. I'm not saying the economy is perfect, but I do remember 2000-2001 when the shit hit the fan and times were real bad. Looked like it would take ma

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
Because the Democrats with their social policies tend to be much more neo-fascist than the Republicans On 8/24/05, Ken Ketsdever wrote: > I've been sitting here trying to figure out how Sam's twisted logic lead > him to believe that I was referring to a Democratic Fundraiser. Then it > dawned on

Re: Sam's Economy Thread

2005-08-24 Thread Jim Campbell
>> I've gotta agree with Gruss "Instant Action" Gott on this one. I've only got the old "Kung-Fu Grip" model. - Jim G wrote: >>As I've said many times, I'm surprised the short term numbers are as >>good as they are, but here's the deal: >> >>While all of the normal economic indicators look goo

Re: Sam's Economy Thread

2005-08-24 Thread G
> As I've said many times, I'm surprised the short term numbers are as > good as they are, but here's the deal: > > While all of the normal economic indicators look good, their > comparative ratios look crazy. This indicates that the economy is > definitely NOT normal; Mr. Greenspan has called it

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Kevin wrote: > I wouldn't expect the Chancellor of my University to do diddley if we > fell under a concerted hacker attack. I would expect the IT managers Oo! Good example. So I'd expect the Chancellor to want to know immediately once somebody was free to tell him and then to meet with a lia

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread G
> > I thought the same thing until I flicked on the TV and saw the damage > - then I knew something was up. I dropped what I was doing and > started wrapping things up. > > Maybe I should've waited 7 minutes ... ha, ha j/k :) heh heh :) What did you start wrapping up, out of curiosity? I remem

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jerry wrote: > Of course, had he stood up and screamed "We're all gonna die", that > would have been worse. > LOL! > Or had he asked for the football, that would have been worse. > > But it sure wasn't good nor presidential. Nor was the hiding later in > the day. But he got his staff and him

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > I remember chuckling to myself thinking "some drunk pilot crashed his cessna > into a skyscraper...hahaha!" > I thought the same thing until I flicked on the TV and saw the damage - then I knew something was up. I dropped what I was doing and started wrapping things up. Maybe

Anyone in Salt Lake City?

2005-08-24 Thread brobborb
Just wonderin! Can't wait till the winter it's gonna look sooo pretty! Goin out for chinese now :D ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/v

Sam's Domestic Policy Thread

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Yes, we're not producing as many engineers as China and India but > how's that this administrations fault? > It was the Kennedy administration's fault for taking the US to the moon and winning the space race, not to mention the technology race, by drawing a line in the sand. Somet

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread G
I sure thought it was an accident. I remember i was reading my morning paper online when it ran a little blurb: "breaking news, plane crashes into WTC". I remember chuckling to myself thinking "some drunk pilot crashed his cessna into a skyscraper...hahaha!" *sigh* > Just to play devil's advo

Re: google talk

2005-08-24 Thread Aaron Rouse
I have not noticed any difference in performance of the machine since installing it this morning. On 8/24/05, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > double a ron > > do you find the google desktop thing to be kinda cpu heavy? > > tw > > On 8/24/05, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Kevin Graeme
On 8/24/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want my leader to be out of his chair and directing immediately upon > notice of a crisis. It's what I do, it's what I expect my people to > do, and it's what every colleague I know does. Directing what? I don't see it as a difference in expe

Sam's Economy Thread

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > How come you still think the economy is a failure when everything is > good? As I've said many times, I'm surprised the short term numbers are as good as they are, but here's the deal: While all of the normal economic indicators look good, their comparative ratios look crazy. This

Re: google talk

2005-08-24 Thread Tony
yeah, and if you have it minimized, and have notifications on... as they type, little bubbles show up with messages ... very cool tw On 8/24/05, Dawson, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I noticed. It also will still show if they are typing as well as > their last message they send. >

Re: google talk

2005-08-24 Thread Tony
double a ron do you find the google desktop thing to be kinda cpu heavy? tw On 8/24/05, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that I installed the google desktop, I am liking google talk more and > more. Now if only I could integrate my yahoo, aol, msn and sametime all into > that desktop

Re: google talk

2005-08-24 Thread Aaron Rouse
Now that I installed the google desktop, I am liking google talk more and more. Now if only I could integrate my yahoo, aol, msn and sametime all into that desktop bar then life would be snazzy. On 8/24/05, Dawson, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I noticed. It also will still show

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Matthew Small
I'm still not sure everything is good. It's not as awful as it was in 2001-2003, but it's still in a recovery at best. Losing textile and manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China really hurts the south, and the gas prices climbing are starting to affect not only drivers, but local governments looki

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread G
I was being a bit flippantbut since you can "guarantee" that didn't happen.what did happen? > >> Wonder how long it takes to get that >> information...maybe 7 minutes?? > > That's a really lame argument. > > I find it hard to imagine that the only information available at the > time w

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Ian Skinner
Just to play devil's advocate. The first plane was looked at as an accident by anybody outside of the air traffic control center, until the second plane hit some 20 minutes later. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA "C code. C code run. Ru

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I've been sitting here trying to figure out how Sam's twisted logic lead him to believe that I was referring to a Democratic Fundraiser. Then it dawned on me the price. It's at least $10,000 a plate to buy your way into the world of neo-fascist Republicans. (note: not all Republicans fall in tha

RE: google talk

2005-08-24 Thread Dawson, Michael
Yeah, I noticed. It also will still show if they are typing as well as their last message they send. I like it more and more. -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:55 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: google talk anyone else notice

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Jerry Johnson
He was informed after the second plane hit (when it was obviously an attack and not an accident). Of course, had he stood up and screamed "We're all gonna die", that would have been worse. Or had he asked for the football, that would have been worse. But it sure wasn't good nor presidential. Nor

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> On 8/24/05, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: >> Oh I can think of a number of things off the top of my >> head... Call >> your wife, make sure she and the kids are okay. Make sure >> the car is >> ready for cross-country travelling. Pack up some food. >> Back up work to >> CD or a colo server somewhere aw

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
How come you still think the economy is a failure when everything is good? Even the deficit is going down faster than planned. Yes, we're not producing as many engineers as China and India but how's that this administrations fault? Maybe your upset Paul O'Neil was wrong again? On 8/24/05, Gruss

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I take it he hasn't read his own writing. larry On 8/24/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > That's the stupidest thing I've read in a long time > > Wow! Considering the vast amount of stupid things you read, that's an > accomplishment. > > ~~

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Ken wrote: > Damn it Gruss, > You've put me into a position of defending Bush. > Sam will never let me live it down. LOL! Yeah, sorry about that :-D ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help D

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
On 8/24/05, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > That's the stupidest thing I've read in a long time > > Wow! Considering the vast amount of stupid things you read, I know, right! This list is a cornucopia of stupid left-wing ramblings > that's an accomplishment. So are you honored? :) ~~~

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> I was being a bit flippantbut since you can > "guarantee" that didn't happen.what did happen? I don't know what happened, but I can guarantee that someone didn't tell the president that something happened with absolutely zero information about the event... If absolutely nothing else, the

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I tend to be very pro-active myself (over-bearingly so at times) and I tend to like someone who is willing to take action immediately. I do however think it is ok to get the facts first. Look at the options etc... and in this case I see 7 minutes as a reasonable time frame under the circumstances.

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
On 8/24/05, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: > Oh I can think of a number of things off the top of my head... Call > your wife, make sure she and the kids are okay. Make sure the car is > ready for cross-country travelling. Pack up some food. Back up work to > CD or a colo server somewhere away from the ac

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
Why would I invite you to a Democratic fundraiser? On 8/24/05, Ken Ketsdever wrote: > Damn it Gruss, >You've put me into a position of defending Bush. > Sam will never let me live it down. Crap next thing you know I'll be > invited to his kids birthday party or some $1,000

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > That's the stupidest thing I've read in a long time Wow! Considering the vast amount of stupid things you read, that's an accomplishment. ~| Get Instant Hacker Protection, Virus Detection, Antispam & Personal Fir

Re: Our shipyard is staying open! wOOt!

2005-08-24 Thread Jerry Johnson
Nope. Official Record: Jim Davis. Bad. BAD BAD BAD. Bad mans. On 8/24/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:14 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Our shipyard is staying

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
>> The nation is under attack - it doesn't matter if it's >> Russians, >> Cubans, Terrorists, etc. And the President had no idea >> who it was at >> the time anyway. The process is the same: What, when, >> where, how, >> who's responding. > It matters greatly who is attacking. What, when, where

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Kevin wrote: > Gruss, you're ranting. You're probably right - I guess we all have different ideas of leadership. I want my leader to be out of his chair and directing immediately upon notice of a crisis. It's what I do, it's what I expect my people to do, and it's what every colleague I know d

RE: Our shipyard is staying open! wOOt!

2005-08-24 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:14 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Our shipyard is staying open! wOOt! > > That's the commission vote. It still has to go through Congress and > the President. Boy... I'd LOVE to

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> That's the stupidest thing I've read in a long time :) > What'd you do, run down to the bunker? Oh I can think of a number of things off the top of my head... Call your wife, make sure she and the kids are okay. Make sure the car is ready for cross-country travelling. Pack up some food. Back up

Re: Our shipyard is staying open! wOOt!

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Champagne
Yea, I know that. BUT - this is a huge step in the right direction. The whole reason for the BRAC committee was for advice, hopefully they'll go with the advice of the BRAC. Kevin Graeme wrote: > That's the commission vote. It still has to go through Congress and > the President. > > -Kevin >

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Ken Ketsdever
Damn it Gruss, You've put me into a position of defending Bush. Sam will never let me live it down. Crap next thing you know I'll be invited to his kids birthday party or some $1,000 a plate benefit for some neo-fascist running for office. :) Confidentiality Notice: This

Re: Our shipyard is staying open! wOOt!

2005-08-24 Thread Kevin Graeme
That's the commission vote. It still has to go through Congress and the President. -Kevin On 8/24/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just heard that the local Navy Shipyard is going to stay open! All I > can say is thank godclosing that yard would have had a HUGE impact > on our

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread G
> The nation is under attack - it doesn't matter if it's Russians, > Cubans, Terrorists, etc. And the President had no idea who it was at > the time anyway. The process is the same: What, when, where, how, > who's responding. It matters greatly who is attacking. What, when, where, how and who's

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Kevin Graeme
Gruss, you're ranting. You know I'm no Bush fan, but in all truth, his reaction time was irrelevant. The reaction time of the FDNY, NTSB, Air National Guard, etc. THOSE were critical. None of them were dependent on the President to move them to action. They are all empowered to deal with emergency

Re: Our shipyard is staying open! wOOt!

2005-08-24 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yes, and thankfully the Groton Subbase is also staying open. Which means EB will probably also stay open. As will the subschool. Which means our submarines will continue to be manned by the best trained, best skilled navy in the world. That makes a HUGE difference to southeastern CT and southweste

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Ken Ketsdever
We clearly have a difference of opinions. I don't know what was said between Bush and his advisors. But I cannot fault a man for trying to run through all the possibilities before committing to action. I wonder what FDR did for the first 7 minutes after Pearl Harbor was bombed. Do think there wa

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Greg wrote: > computer security != national security. I don't see why you're having > a hard time trying to understand that Gruss. > Dudes, A crisis is a crisis and they can all be dealt with the same way. You find out, what's going on, who's doing it, what damage has been done, what resourc

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Sam
That's the stupidest thing I've read in a long time :) What'd you do, run down to the bunker? You're Bush hating rhetoric is getting so bad you're not making sense. Just about every day you attack Bush about something, don't you see you have a problem? Didn't they set up support groups for people t

Re: NSFW: New fashion rage in Japan?

2005-08-24 Thread William Bowen
> Maybe the White House should have used snopes. Wouldn't that have required knowing how to use the "internets?" and since everybody knows that Al Gore invented the internets, and that all things invented by Democrats are evil... :-p -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Greg Morphis
computer security != national security. I don't see why you're having a hard time trying to understand that Gruss. On 8/24/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > Criticize the President for his actions in the months and years following > > the tragedy, i'll be right there w

RE: NSFW: New fashion rage in Japan?

2005-08-24 Thread Ken Ketsdever
Maybe the White House should have used snopes. Iraq WMD ... -Original Message- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Man its like some people have to snopes everything. Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipie

Re: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > Criticize the President for his actions in the months and years following > the tragedy, i'll be right there with yabut calling his immediate > reaction in the minutes following a "revealing character moment", i just > don't think is accurate or fair. > The nation is under at

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Ken Ketsdever
Mr. Blair also had the advantage of living through 9/11, the Spain bombings etc... How do you think Bush would react if something happened today? I bet there are preplanned reactions to many scenerios that had not been thought of prior to 9/11. -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mail

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I think Mr. Bush's concerns are little large than is his wife in danger? Do you shut down all airports? What about shipping ports and yards? Trains? What are the consequences of those actions? Etc... -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, Aug

Re: CF-Community, Paul Ihrig has invited you to try Google Talk.

2005-08-24 Thread Abraham Hertzberg III
gotcha. hmmm tiddies!!! On 8/24/05, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/24/05, Abraham Hertzberg III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i added it into my trillian... that's good enough. i don't need > > another client running.. and i didn't say it blows... i have just said > > that i wa

Re: CF-Community, Paul Ihrig has invited you to try Google Talk.

2005-08-24 Thread Abraham Hertzberg III
you might need trillian pro.. On 8/24/05, Robyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How are you adding it in Trillian? I have basic 3.1 and adding > connections is not offering me a way to add Google Talk... > > Abraham Hertzberg III wrote: > > i added it into my trillian... that's good enough. i don't

RE: Inside 9/11

2005-08-24 Thread Ken Ketsdever
My dislike of Bush especially pertaining to the war in Iraq is well documented. However, What exactly did you expect him to do when he heard the news of 9/11? I don't care about the stupid look on his face. We have no insight as to what he was told or what he said. Maybe he makes stupid, emot

RE: Hosting CFMX7

2005-08-24 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Matthew Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:44 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Hosting CFMX7 > > Does anyone use a good hosting company that has good rates for a VPS or > Dedicated server that runs the MX7. I got quoted 3

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