RE: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
Saying your "common sense" saying anything holds about as much water as a spaghetti strainer. What facts say that it is biased? You really haven't stated any facts Sam...just the conjecture and opinion of a programmer who is not also a neuroscientist. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailt

RE: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
Other scientists...are they neuroscientists? Or just scientists in another field who are probably conservative and disagree with it for the same reasons you do rather than actually having looked a the data and commenting from a position of expertise? If an astrophysicist says something about a s

RE: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
I think it does in some cases. If I see an environmental impact study that says if we drill here everything is just rosy and I see that the study was funded by the company that wants to do the drilling, I would look at that study suspiciously. It might be legit and the company is on the up and u

RE: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
That begs a question...if this was funded by Colin Firth (which you still haven't shown us anything to back that claim up outside of a right wing blog entry) makes it biased...why do you argue that studies on Climate Change and other issues that are openly funded by the oil industry and other corp

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
er, am not denying or *Idefending* anything. I don't know and that's what I've been saying all along On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Dana wrote: > I *don't* care and I don't have time to download and parse it right now. > I'm not denying or anything --- I am just not believing your descripti

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
I *don't* care and I don't have time to download and parse it right now. I'm not denying or anything --- I am just not believing your description of it, because that is *always* a mistake. It's just another journal article. There are a lot of them out there. Some of them contradict one another. Do

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Dana wrote: > > in terms of the stuff in the article that is upsetting you it may matter. It's not upsetting me. My common sense says it's biased. The facts say it's biased. Other scientists say it's biased. You will die defending it without knowing anything abo

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Maureen
I don't know. Since you are the only one saying the scientists who have been paid by big oil are irrelevant, why don't you explain it. Seems to me that you made "A" point that funding affects the validity of research, and under that criteria your statement below would be accurate. However, that

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
in terms of the stuff in the article that is upsetting you it may matter. Assuming you looked and it mentions this article. More likely it's a meta-analysis for methodology for whatever he was looking at when he wrote it, which is not to say that the remarks in methodology may not apply to the Uni

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
well it would be a little more intelligent than it must be bullshit because whoever heard of a conservative college student, you have to admit. That's where he was yesterday. baby steps. Just maybe he has realized that there are things undreamt of in his philosophy. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:59

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
So why is every scientist that ever earned a dime from big oil irrelevant? BTW, that wasn't THE point, it was A point. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If a study can be disregarded because of the funding source, then > every clinical trial that has been funded by a pharm

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
Doesn't matter does it. It was published in a peer reviewed journal. And it is actually cited. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Dana wrote: > > I am on deadline and don't have time to play. But I know, shades of grey, > quite a concept, eh? > > History says that if I download this article I

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
I did. Actually, the MIT dude and friends say pretty much what I've been saying from the beginning. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Dana wrote: > > but you haven't backed up your opinion. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion A

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
New research commissioned by the Today Programme and led by Wellcome Trust Senior Research Fellow Professor Geraint Rees http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1012/10122301 Keep laughing, you're logic is very flawed. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Dana wrote: > > no, because he keeps

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Maureen
If a study can be disregarded because of the funding source, then every clinical trial that has been funded by a pharmaceutical company will have to be tossed. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Dana wrote: > > no, because he keeps saying the funding is a bias but he doesn't have any > actual evid

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
I am on deadline and don't have time to play. But I know, shades of grey, quite a concept, eh? History says that if I download this article I will find out that it doesn't mention the article Larry posted. If it does say they calculated it wrong -- and maybe that is what Larrry wants to look at

RE: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
It's also a nightmare if you are out for work and can barely pay your bills and put food on the table let a lone afford car insurance...yet you still need to be able to get to the store, look for a job, etc... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, Feb

RE: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
Not only invoked...it was his newsletter. It would be like saying that the chief editor of the Chicago tribune is not responsible for the articles that his editors post... -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:25 AM To

RE: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
The other thing that I think that is incomprehensibly stupid is the focus on it being a tax. What is the difference if you are paying 200 a month to your insrance company for your premiums or 200 a month to the government for your premium? You are still paying a premium... and this premium allow

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
but you haven't backed up your opinion. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Sam wrote: > > Well, I said he was trying to insult me with a study that I knew could > be debunked without even knowing what it was, just by the description > of it. She then ran with how perfect the study was and over a

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
no, because he keeps saying the funding is a bias but he doesn't have any actual evidence about how it was funded at all, except for the word "commission" in that first experiment or whatever But yeah, I don't actually care about this study either. I just got a bellyful after a few years of liste

RE: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
I would disagree that it was an insulting joke about the Hispanic community. It was an insulting joke about McCain and Republicans...who have little to offer Hispanics in AZ. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:41 AM To:

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
in the US it is pretty much meaningless as the neo-cons are not conservative but the have co-opted the word. This study in in Britain though... so... not drawing ing any conclusions til when and if I go look at the questionnare I guess On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > But

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
Well, I said he was trying to insult me with a study that I knew could be debunked without even knowing what it was, just by the description of it. She then ran with how perfect the study was and over a hundred messages later still claims anything peer reviewed is unquestionable. So this was abou

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
The plain English version: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=brain-scan-results-overstated . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I'll have to study this a bit, but I see a few errors in how the > authors conducted the meta analysis that may invalidate the

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread PT
All of this sounds so much more interesting than web development... On 2/16/2012 9:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I'll have to study this a bit, but I see a few errors in how the > authors conducted the meta analysis that may invalidate their > conclusions.

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread PT
If you had simply said all of this to begin with, like this, then I believe the discussion might have gone differently. Opening with a slam against the study because an actor's name was tied to it, while certainly a conversation starter, was probably not the best way to introduce your views o

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'll have to study this a bit, but I see a few errors in how the authors conducted the meta analysis that may invalidate their conclusions. And yes Sam I do know a bit about the field, so I think I am qualified to respond. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Sam wrote: > > If you read the stupid b

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Researchers are starting to develop fairly reliable questionnaires on political beliefs. While its not my area, the reported psychometics are pretty good. For instance: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17470910902860308 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1643954 http://w

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
If you read the stupid blog you would have realized it's based on this: http://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=4MrZ9zMJ&citation_for_view=4MrZ9zMJ:u5HHmVD_uO8C Short link here http://www.edvul.com/voodoocorr.php It's was cited a couple more times then your

Re: End of an era...

2012-02-16 Thread Tony
I never liked their work, I prefer kindgirls :) On Thursday, February 16, 2012, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > So Jacob have anyone asked when your soon to be old company is going > to be advertising for you replacement? > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jacob wrote: >> >> Well, Tomorrow is my la

Re: End of an era...

2012-02-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So Jacob have anyone asked when your soon to be old company is going to be advertising for you replacement? On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jacob wrote: > > Well, Tomorrow is my last day here after 15 years. Start a new position on > Tuesday. The next position does not use ColdFusion, but I wil

Re: End of an era...

2012-02-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'm surprised none of the guys here asked for a few intros. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Dana wrote: > > gluck > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > >> >> WAIT >> >> Is it too late to hit you up for an employee discount? >> >> (just kidding. Congrats, and Good

Re: Coup in Maldives

2012-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
The US bribes and bullies nations as a matter routine policy. This is typically referred to as "American Exceptionalism" Isn't that a core Republican Party value? An aggressive foreign policy that promotes American philosophy? Wasn't that the entire justification for the invasion of Iraq?

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
But what does "conservative" mean? If we limit the definition to size and scope of the federal govt then: * the tea party is not conservative as they favor a large federal govt wealth redistribution for retirement healthcare and social security * Rick sanatorum is not conservative as he favor

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
I detect a blog. A blog, Sam. No input validation at all, yanno? Bzzzt. Still SAMMYDONTLIKE IT. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Sam wrote: > > And I posted my proof. You are not listening. > But I like the way you defend an insult and turn it into a "The > science is clear" discussion. Stupid

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
A good point was raised that it doesn't show what came first...the differences in the brain or the changes. In either case, the conclusion was true. Conservatism is based more on fear than liberalism is. If you use a muscle more, it gets bigger...same goes with brain matter... Eric On Thu, Fe

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
And I posted my proof. You are not listening. But I like the way you defend an insult and turn it into a "The science is clear" discussion. Stupid shit that is. But now that we're discussing the actual science, which you swear by even though you don't understand it, let's get a review. Nice anal

Re: End of an era...

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
gluck On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > WAIT > > Is it too late to hit you up for an employee discount? > > (just kidding. Congrats, and Good Luck) > > Jerry Milo Johnson > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jacob wrote: > > > > > Well, Tomorrow is my last day

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
current Biology Here's the link again http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/ On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I don't remember the name of the publication without going back to the > Smithsonian Article, but it was a Biolo

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
I don't remember the name of the publication without going back to the Smithsonian Article, but it was a Biology publication. It was Biology...I remember the name began with an A... On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Dana wrote: > > there's a good question. Look around, maybe on about us, and s

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
there's a good question. Look around, maybe on about us, and see if they talk about their peer review process. They won't have posted the actual review though I don't think. You could also run the study title and the author names through Google Scholar to see if anyone has tried to reproduce this,

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
you keep saying that. I spent all day yesterday telling you to post your proof if you have some. I'm not available for nursery school games today but I just thought I would put that out there. You had nothing and it was painfully obvious that you had nothing . Why not just say -- I don't underst

Re: End of an era...

2012-02-16 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
WAIT Is it too late to hit you up for an employee discount? (just kidding. Congrats, and Good Luck) Jerry Milo Johnson On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jacob wrote: > > Well, Tomorrow is my last day here after 15 years. Start a new position on > Tuesday. The next position does not use Co

Re: End of an era...

2012-02-16 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jacob wrote: > > Well, Tomorrow is my last day here after 15 years. Start a new position on > Tuesday. The next position does not use ColdFusion, but I will still > subscribe to this list. I will rejoin next week. > > Catch you later... > > Jacob > > > Congrats a

End of an era...

2012-02-16 Thread Jacob
Well, Tomorrow is my last day here after 15 years. Start a new position on Tuesday. The next position does not use ColdFusion, but I will still subscribe to this list. I will rejoin next week. Catch you later... Jacob ~| Order

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
I dismissed it because it didn't state what Larry claimed it did, the funding was totally biased and the results only work if people don't change their mind. I would have to believe half of us are conservative and the other half liberal but we can switch sides at will. If it was a legitimate study

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
In the context of the entire convo...no. He was commenting on something McCain said...responding that is all they have to offer Hispanics... I also didn't see why the Taco comment by the mayor was racist either... On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "The bottom line, and

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread PT
I believe everyone in SC is required to have at least liability coverage. I am unsure of the specifics or what happens if you don't have it, but there is also some kind of state insurance pool that property taxes go towards to cover uninsured drivers. On 2/16/2012 11:34 AM, Eric Roberts wrote

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
There is no such thing as Obamacare, so no, it can't be a tax. Perhaps you are thinking provisions of the Affordable Care Act? Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Maureen wrote: > There is a simple comparison that answers this. Do you consider the > fine for not carrying auto insurance to be a tax? If so then the fine > for not carrying healthcare insurance would also be considered a tax. > If not, then no. This analog

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread PT
On 2/16/2012 9:37 AM, Sam wrote: > > You do realize your FACTS don't add up? > If our brains are hard wired so one can predict political stance, than > how do we explain the people that change their positions? I guess this needs repeating: >> it *says* that complex thought involves more areas o

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Justin Scott
> There are some things out of my control but for the most part I > rarely even catch a cold. Take good care of yourself and eat > right will prevent most health care issues. ... We can agree there and I am in the same boat (healthy and it's rare for me to get so much as a headache much less anyt

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
There are some things out of my control but for the most part I rarely even catch a cold. Take good care of yourself and eat right will prevent most health care issues. But you can read that as I choose not to get cancer or hit by a car if you want. Black and white thingy and all. . On Thu, Feb

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
Jerry, did you bother reading the Dana Milbank article that the tweet was about? The Chimichanga reference is a quote from John McCain. Here's the text from the article: "Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) spoke about the wonders of his state. 'The lettuce in your salad this month almost certainly came f

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Justin Scott
> I choose not to get sick but that's a different thread. You really are delusional if you believe that you can simply choose not to come down with, say, cancer, or MS, or any number of other problems that you quite simply have no control over. If that were the case, the whole debate around heal

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Maureen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Exactly how is that comment racist by any conventional definition of the > word?" > > You don't believe it's racist? Nope. Perhaps not politically correct, but not racist. > > How about changing the context just a little. > > Chit'lins

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The bottom line, and you know it to be true, is that any Republican or Republican proxy would be excoriated for this. That is not right." Maureen, I found just such an example: http://minx.cc/?post=326726 Chimichanga? Is anyone really offended?

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Do you consider the fine for not carrying auto insurance to be a tax? " Do they call it a fine? If one could pay all expenses out of pocket for a car accident and its consequences, then he or she should not be required to have car insurance. If someone cannot afford this and does not carry ins

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Exactly how is that comment racist by any conventional definition of the word?" You don't believe it's racist? How about changing the context just a little. Chit'lins? It may be the only thing Republicans have left to offer Blacks, Is that racist? Maybe racism doesn't exist if it is directe

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
That is why i think there should be something in place to cover people who cannot afford it. There is a serious disconnect between the legal theory of driving is a privledge and the reality of driving being a necessity for the majority of people in this country. if we had a good public trans sys

Re: Coup in Maldives

2012-02-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"A.) That Wikipedia isn't always accurate or" Did you mean wikileaks? "B.) That politicians say things in exchange for money or" That's a truism. Some would have you believe that all members of one party do it and no members of the opposition do it, but they would be wrong. "C.) That the US

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
My point is auto insurance is opt in, not mandated. Carry on with your point. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Maureen wrote: > > That wasn't the question.  The question is "is the fine on not having > auto insurance a tax?".  Whether some people don't have to have the > insurance is a diffe

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread morgan lindley
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/vehicles/ins-req.htm Required. http://www.nh.gov/insurance/consumers/documents/nh_auto_guide.pdf "New Hampshire Motor Vehicle Laws do not require you to carry Auto Insurance, but you must be able to demonstrate that you are able to provide sufficient funds to

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Maureen
That wasn't the question. The question is "is the fine on not having auto insurance a tax?". Whether some people don't have to have the insurance is a different issue. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Sam wrote: > > You don't pay a fine if you don't drive. Also, many states do not > require au

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
It's is a nightmare if you get hit by someone without insurance. You're totally screwed. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I thought they bullied every state into that... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
Good point. You can educate yourself to be liberal but there's no way to become conservative. Yet it happens. Maybe people's brains deteriorate, after university, and then they become conservative. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Actually, he does have a point...a c

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
I thought they bullied every state into that... On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote: > > New Hampshire and Wisconsin. Used to be Kentucky but I guess they > changed the law. > > . > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Eric Roberts > wrote: > > > > What states do not require auto insuran

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
I would also disagree with not being forced to drive. Unless you live in a big city, chances are you do not have access to public transportation. Our culture has made driving a necessity. We no longer live in the same neighborhood where we work and the big box stores have driven neighborhood gr

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
New Hampshire and Wisconsin. Used to be Kentucky but I guess they changed the law. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > What states do not require auto insurance?  The federal government back int > he 90's forced that on everyone just like they did with the 55 MPH speed >

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
What states do not require auto insurance? The federal government back int he 90's forced that on everyone just like they did with the 55 MPH speed limit by threatening to take away highway funds if they didn't comply... Eric On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Sam wrote: > > I choose not to get

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Eric Roberts
Actually, he does have a point...a conservative getting a higher educationwhat are the odds of that... Eric On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Because the generally accepted definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" > change? > > > > On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Sam

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
I choose not to get sick but that's a different thread. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Justin Scott wrote: > >> You don't pay a fine if you don't drive. Also, many states >> do not require auto insurance. > > You can choose not to drive.  You can't choose not to get sick. ~

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
That too On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Because the generally accepted definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" > change? > > > > On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> You do realize your FACTS don't add up? >> If our brains are hard wired so one can predi

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Because the generally accepted definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" change? On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Sam wrote: > > You do realize your FACTS don't add up? > If our brains are hard wired so one can predict political stance, than > how do we explain the people that change their po

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Justin Scott
> You don't pay a fine if you don't drive. Also, many states > do not require auto insurance. You can choose not to drive. You can't choose not to get sick. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amaz

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
The consumer is getting screwed because healthcare delivery is a "prisoners dilemma". i.e. EVERYONE (insurance, care teams, hospitals, clinics, DME, etc) would benefit from reforming the *delivery system* since the existing one is not affordable whether the government pays or not. The problem

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
You don't pay a fine if you don't drive. Also, many states do not require auto insurance. . On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Maureen wrote: > > There is a simple comparison that answers this.  Do you consider the > fine for not carrying auto insurance to be a tax?  If so then the fine > for not

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Sam
You do realize your FACTS don't add up? If our brains are hard wired so one can predict political stance, than how do we explain the people that change their positions? Think about it, 90 random people in a London college and half are conservatives. What are the odds of finding even two conservati

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Maureen
It's not really that clear cut. Jim Messina was hired by Obama to run his reelection campaign. He, perhaps more than anyone else, speaks for Obama the candidate. If he says something improper then Obama needs to hold him responsible. But that tweet is a tempest in a teapot - a thoughtless use

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Ron Paul was involved in the publication of the newsletter that went out under his name. Obama did not. End of story. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "False equivalence. What you are referring to was never sent out in Obama's > name unlike Ron Paul." > > > I got it.  Si

Re: Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Maureen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:05 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Obamacare - Is it a tax or not? There is a simple comparison that answers this. Do you consider the fine for not carrying auto insurance to be a tax? If so then the fine for not carrying healthcare insurance would also be considered a ta

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Maureen
Exactly how is that comment racist by any conventional definition of the word? What exactly do the Republicans have to offer Hispanic voters? That would seem to be the real question behind all the red herring nonsense that is being bantered about. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Jerry Barnes

Obamacare - Is it a tax or not?

2012-02-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
Obamacare - Is it a tax or not? I guess it depends on the audience. So, Representative Scott Garrett recently asked President Obama's acting OMB director Jeffery Zients if President's Obama's budget imposes any new taxes on citizens making less than 200k per year. Zients did everything in his p

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"False equivalence. What you are referring to was never sent out in Obama's name unlike Ron Paul." I got it. Since it wasn't in Obama's name, it's okay for him to send out racists messages. That is, it is okay for Obama to hire and work with racists or people who propagate a racist messages.

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
False equivalence. What you are referring to was never sent out in Obama's name unlike Ron Paul. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > So, back to the racism issue. > > If Ron Paul is responsible for racist comments distributed by employee > approximately 20 years ago, is Pres

Re: FW: Report: Paul approved racist portions of newsletters

2012-02-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
So, back to the racism issue. If Ron Paul is responsible for racist comments distributed by employee approximately 20 years ago, is President Obama responsible for the racist comments distributed by one his proxies 20 hours ago? Jim Messina, who is helming the president's reelection effort, tw

Re: Fox News? Really can this be called a News channel?

2012-02-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I think Sam needs to learn about single subject experimental design and how powerful such designs are. For those interested they can start here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-subject_design On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Dana wrote: > > it *says* that complex thought involves more area

lossless data formats on smartphones

2012-02-16 Thread Dana
Anyone ever research this and if so is there some nice bright line like recent OS versions support them but old ones don't? I really don't want to enumerate a table on this but I'd like to say something more specific than check to see whether your device provides support but not all of them do...