Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Maureen
The medical staff at Fort Lewis is laughable. My ex was knocked from the top of a tanker truck during a training exercise, landed on his tailbone and shattered it. The doctors at Fort Lewis refused to classify it as a service related injury. It took years of fighting with the Army and the VA for

Re: US to keep innocent civilians’ data_10 times l on

2012-03-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I especially love the 'here are the legislators for the place you are standing right now' feature. Including the ability to tweet at them near instantly." That is worth having. Thanks for the link. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissin

Re: US to keep innocent civilians’ data_10 times l ong

2012-03-23 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Yeah, that sucks. I will be sending out letters this weekend. FWIW, speaking of legislators and laws, I attended a talk last night for a guy from the sunlight foundation. They have this free app http://itunes.apple.com/app/open-states/id500672932?mt=8 Which is _awesome_ if you are interested a

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > Gee Still kinda bleak. I think times of Star Trek make more sense since > they've been around for so long and we have tablets. Might be a bit seem > more socialist than than the norm

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > See, I think that when the system became overloaded and things beging to > collapse, the military would step in and take control. The do have "a lot > more firepower" than the leaders left who would try to restructure things. > So, along w

US to keep innocent civilians’ data 10 times longe

2012-03-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
File extension: US to keep innocent civilians’ data 10 times longer The US intelligence community has risen tenfold the time it has the right to keep data on American citizens and legal residents with no established ties to terrorists. Previously all such records had to be destroyed after six mon

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Basic rule, never argue with people who have a lot more firepower than you." Fascinating. I've often thought the same thing when I read about things like the Cloward-Pivens strategy. Here's a quick refresher for the unfamiliar: The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 19

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Actually given that many of these would probably help any collapse along, or initiate it, ..." Preppers are not necessarily anarchists or militia. Some are homemakers who are taking the helicopter parent routine way too far. National Geographic has a show about them: http://channel.nationalgeog

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
ah. had not seen that yet. That might explain some of the not seeking help, yup. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > There is also the issue of the base he's from. The mental health > services in Ft. Lewis in Washington invalidated over 40% of all PTSD > cases last year. A

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
er, heard it wrong, I mean. Someone was talking to me. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Oops...typo > > -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:55 PM > To: cf-community > S

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
cool. Thought maybe you heard about it. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Oops...typo > > -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:55 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Is

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
That's the nice thing about not giving up my citizenship. It gives me the back door if I ever need it. And given the combination of the religious reich and their fellow travellors, it may be needed soon than I predicted. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions wro

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > I just see the stupidity of trying to shoot back when the other side > has much much more firepower than I have. Besides my plan is to duck > out the back door and head to Canada. > They limit heritage tree to 1 generation for auto citizen

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
There is also the issue of the base he's from. The mental health services in Ft. Lewis in Washington invalidated over 40% of all PTSD cases last year. Apparently the director doesn't think PTSD and TBI are real and did not want to spend the money on it. This is also the base where the kill team is

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
Oops...typo -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:55 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier? 17. Not 7. Some of them were children. Others were women. All of them were civilians

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Hell the spooks invented some of the technology (ie computers and code breaking for instance). On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > The problem as I see it is that the people who can protect us (Congress) > are completely technologically stupid and don't understand anyth

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I just see the stupidity of trying to shoot back when the other side has much much more firepower than I have. Besides my plan is to duck out the back door and head to Canada. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:39 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Wow Larry, I'm surprised at you. > > Anyone that doesn't see the

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
No you bring a M2 machine gun to a gun fight. Better yet a Bushmaster 25 mm autocannon or a Rareden 30mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RARDEN) . Why go light. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> Basic rule, n

Re: TacoCopter

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
they're really starting to come out of the woodwork http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxnwoT-hzjg On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > http://www.cultofmac.com/155787/this-amazing-tacocopter-app-will-airlift-delicious-tacos-to-you-using-robot-drones-humor/ > > It's real.  

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
17. Not 7. Some of them were children. Others were women. All of them were civilians. And yes, there is a problem with the military culture that makes it hard to ask for help. But still. When you start to think gee, wouldn't it be a good idea to go over to this village over here and shoot some lit

RE: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
Those things were pretty tough back when I was it. We used to joke that if we ever ran out of ammo, we could always through the dehydrated beef or pork patty at the enemy. hehehe -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] Sent

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I just saw in a CNN alert that he has been charged with 7 murders and faces the death penalty. Actually, that does put some f the blame on the Marines. Not only should his superior have seen something, but they do have regular mental health checks and someone should have seen something. Often t

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
cue Erika On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > I don't know...I think the dehydrated beef can repel bullets... > > >

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > I don't know...I think the dehydrated beef can repel bullets... Depends on the quality of the MRE You bring the guns, I'll bring the MRE's, and someone better know how to bake muffins! ~

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
that's where I was going with the why was he on active duty thing. But I am not buying that it's all the fault of the Army and they should have seen it coming, either. Not unless a whole lot comes out at trial about him asking for help and not getting it. By the way, anyone know if courts-martial

RE: Yes Sam, Yes!

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
Ooorah! He does rock... -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: Yes Sam, Yes! Wrong Sam... I mean this one: http://youtu.be/rkvRYg2ZmY0 ~~~

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
Not to defend him, but different people react differently. I would say PTSD played a role in this and that more than likely, the Marine's metal health serves failed this soldier, but the fact does remain that he went on to murder people. Sometimes the "crazy" doesn't come to the surface until tr

RE: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I don't know...I think the dehydrated beef can repel bullets... -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:22 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:0

Yes Sam, Yes!

2012-03-23 Thread Medic
Wrong Sam... I mean this one: http://youtu.be/rkvRYg2ZmY0 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/grou

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
pretty sure there will be an insanity defense. And I think I saw that he saw friend get his leg blown off the day before. But still. The answer to that, I think is that a lot of soldiers live through horrifying situations, and don't go out and shoot children afterwards. The guy who shot two cops a

Re: TacoCopter

2012-03-23 Thread LRS Scout
Real men of genius. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > > http://www.cultofmac.com/155787/this-amazing-tacocopter-app-will-airlift-delicious-tacos-to-you-using-robot-drones-humor/ > > It's real. No seriously, don't look at me like that. > > I will punch you in your

TacoCopter

2012-03-23 Thread Cameron Childress
http://www.cultofmac.com/155787/this-amazing-tacocopter-app-will-airlift-delicious-tacos-to-you-using-robot-drones-humor/ It's real. No seriously, don't look at me like that. I will punch you in your face unless you agree that this is real. Oh yeah - it's real. It better be real. -Cameron .

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Vivec
If you lost the EFF and the ACLUthen I think things will get really bad. Look out for bills that may try to emasculate these organisations lol :-) Those are two that I think every country should have. ~| Order the Adobe Col

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Cameron Childress
The problem as I see it is that the people who can protect us (Congress) are completely technologically stupid and don't understand anything at all about how the internet, or technology in general, works. The spooks, on the other hand, ***DO*** understand how it works. These two things come toge

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread PT
On 3/23/2012 12:39 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > Wouldn't the 3rd amendment prohibit this? In theory, but if the people are scared enough, they will be throwing property and liberty at the government. We are a highly reactive species and not as proactive as we like to think. > Why is no one in this

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Judah McAuley
They are reacting. People pushed to stop SOPA (successfully for now). NDAA came on too quick and there is debate about whether it is really a big (further) encroachment on liberty or not. People, like myself, write letters to their Congresscritters. EFF and ACLU continue to fight the administratio

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread LRS Scout
Wow Larry, I'm surprised at you. Anyone that doesn't see the end of the constitution and basic liberty in this country coming on fast is IMO blind. NDAA, full nationalization through presidential fiat, the Patriot Act, it goes on and on. Wouldn't the 3rd amendment prohibit this? Why is no one

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Basic rule, never argue with people who have a lot more firepower than you. Don't bring an MRE to a gunfight? -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology no

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Basic rule, never argue with people who have a lot more firepower than you. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Vivec wrote: > >> I was reading a book that envisioned this same scenario. >> >> When things break down, if martial law is

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Vivec wrote: > I was reading a book that envisioned this same scenario. > > When things break down, if martial law is enforced then soldiers can take > over civilian property. > > So all that time you took creating an impregnable bunker loaded with food > could

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Vivec
I was reading a book that envisioned this same scenario. When things break down, if martial law is enforced then soldiers can take over civilian property. So all that time you took creating an impregnable bunker loaded with food could be for naught once soldiers pound on your doorstep :-)

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > Oh snap, kick you our of your own bunker. > > spend 3 or 4 million fixing up an old missile silo just to have the > government kick you out LOL Something like this is very unlikel

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > In the event of a war on our own soil, these bunkers could serve many > purposes for the US Govt, actually, if they were to commandeer and use > them. > Oh snap, kick you our of your own bunker. spend 3 or 4 million fixing up an old

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Actually given that many of these would probably help any collapse > along, or initiate it, its probably a good thing that the authorities > are monitoring these loons. In the event of a war on our own soil, these bunkers could serve many

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > From: > > http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/22/fbi-homeland-security-caught-spying-visitors-prepper-sites-102321/ > > It appears that the sites used google analytics to do the back tracking. > The media has a very bad history of disc

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Actually given that many of these would probably help any collapse > along, or initiate it, its probably a good thing that the authorities > are monitoring these loons. > They could come for anyone. Having More Than 7 Days Of Food Makes Y

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Actually given that many of these would probably help any collapse along, or initiate it, its probably a good thing that the authorities are monitoring these loons. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Well we know they are monitoring what WE say on this list :-) > > > ~~~

Re: FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Vivec
Well we know they are monitoring what WE say on this list :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/

FBI & Homeland Security Caught Spying on Prepper Sites

2012-03-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
First off, just in case anyone doesn't know, a prepper is someone preparing for the collapse of our country. There are several types of collapses that are envisioned: a global or national pandemic, a government take over of all aspect of daily life (almost too late for this one anyway), a global

Re: Red Tailed Hawk

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
In Richmond, VA they have a bald eagle cam set up at a nest on the James River. http://www.ustream.tv/richmondeagles On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Very cool. We have a pair of Peregrine Falcons that nest on a bridge > about a mile and half from my house. I haven't

Re: Limbaugh is voice of GOP majority?

2012-03-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"*shrug*...whatever helps you sleep at night, Jerry. Take care." Amen. And same to you. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel.

Re: Limbaugh is voice of GOP majority?

2012-03-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Yeah, cause the conservatives on this list are such sweet, polite little boys that never insult anyone." Please point out an example of me insulting anyone. Unless you mean disagreeing with someone, which is often seen as an insult in progressive circles. J - Ninety percent of politicians g