er, heard it wrong, I mean. Someone was talking to me. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Oops...typo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:55 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier? > > > 17. Not 7. Some of them were children. Others were women. All of them were > civilians. And yes, there is a problem with the military culture that makes > it hard to ask for help. But still. When you start to think gee, wouldn't > it > be a good idea to go over to this village over here and shoot some little > kids... I dunno. Something's pretty broken. I don't think you can get that > sick without seeing it coming at least a little. But we'll see. I don't > think they'll be able to have the proceedings behind closed doors, given > the > Afghanis, so we may find stuff out that we don't know now. > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > I just saw in a CNN alert that he has been charged with 7 murders and > > faces the death penalty. > > > > Actually, that does put some f the blame on the Marines. Not only > > should his superior have seen something, but they do have regular > > mental health checks and someone should have seen something. Often > > times, though, soldiers are chided for going on sick call by superiors > > and made to feel weak or somehow less of a soldier or a man if they > > go. I fought against this all the time as a medic. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:23 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier? > > > > > > that's where I was going with the why was he on active duty thing. But > > I am not buying that it's all the fault of the Army and they should > > have seen it coming, either. Not unless a whole lot comes out at trial > > about him asking for help and not getting it. > > > > > > By the way, anyone know if courts-martial normally permit media coverage? > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Eric Roberts < > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not to defend him, but different people react differently. I would > > > say PTSD played a role in this and that more than likely, the > > > Marine's metal health serves failed this soldier, but the fact does > > > remain that he went on to murder people. Sometimes the "crazy" > > > doesn't come to the surface until triggered. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:02 PM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US > soldier? > > > > > > > > > pretty sure there will be an insanity defense. And I think I saw > > > that he saw friend get his leg blown off the day before. But still. > > > The answer to that, I think is that a lot of soldiers live through > > > horrifying situations, and don't go out and shoot children afterwards. > > > The guy who shot two cops and a few more random people in > > > Albuqueruque about three years ago was certifiably bat-shit crazy, > > > and his doctor changed his meds. Him I feel for a little bit, > > > because he *did* go to the ER and say please help me, and didn't get > > > it. (And as I recall, he's in a mental health hospital now, not > > > jail. But he's locked up, and probably won't ever get out.) > > > > > > If he was crazy enough to shoot children why was he on active duty? > > > > > > If he was crazy enough and distressed enough to do this then why > > > didn't he seek help? As far as I know even in Kandahar there's a way > > > to say you know what, I'm losing it. I scare myself. Take my gun away. > > > If he's just an asshole, throw the book at him. This is one of the > > > most egregious crimes I've ever heard of, a) because it was a > > > massacre of the helpless and b) because of the harm it does to the war > effort. > > > It wiped out the gains made because of the sacrifices of many, many > > > other > > soldiers. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Tony <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > am I insane to think that this kinda thing is not surprising at > > > > all, that we have driven out boys to madness (some of them) and > > > > that although he pulled the trigger, it's our lust for war and oil > > > > that is the cause of this, and the more we re-deploy and re-deploy > > > > more and more of this will continue. I mean, the dude was TRAINED > > > > to kill, has seen the unimaginable, has more flashbacks than we > > > > can conceive and we drove him to this. just look at they murdered > > > > wives and others when dudes come home from the frontlines. it's > > > > gotta be hard to separate all of this mentally and expect to come > > > > back with any sort of normalcy > > > intact. > > > > > > > > idk I feel for him, and his family > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 22, 2012, Casey Dougall - Uber Website > > > > Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> He's going to face 17 counts of murder. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/22/10816077-defense-o > > > > ff > > > > ic > > > > ial-staff-sgt-robert-bales-to-face-17-murder-counts-in-afghanistan > > > > -m > > > > as > > > > sacre > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In other kinda off topic but interesting tangent news; at least > > > > > a police Chief has stepped down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/bill-lee-trayvon-martin_n > > > > _1 > > > > 37 > > > > 3475.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:349021 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
