ah. had not seen that yet. That might explain some of the not seeking help, yup.
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com>wrote: > > There is also the issue of the base he's from. The mental health > services in Ft. Lewis in Washington invalidated over 40% of all PTSD > cases last year. Apparently the director doesn't think PTSD and TBI > are real and did not want to spend the money on it. This is also the > base where the kill team is from and where those soldiers who urinated > on those Afghani corpses are from. Its also where the soldiers > involved in that suicide and hazing case are from. > > I'm starting to see a pattern here. > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 17. Not 7. Some of them were children. Others were women. All of them > were > > civilians. And yes, there is a problem with the military culture that > makes > > it hard to ask for help. But still. When you start to think gee, wouldn't > > it be a good idea to go over to this village over here and shoot some > > little kids... I dunno. Something's pretty broken. I don't think you can > > get that sick without seeing it coming at least a little. But we'll see. > I > > don't think they'll be able to have the proceedings behind closed doors, > > given the Afghanis, so we may find stuff out that we don't know now. > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Eric Roberts < > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> I just saw in a CNN alert that he has been charged with 7 murders and > faces > >> the death penalty. > >> > >> Actually, that does put some f the blame on the Marines. Not only > should > >> his superior have seen something, but they do have regular mental health > >> checks and someone should have seen something. Often times, though, > >> soldiers are chided for going on sick call by superiors and made to feel > >> weak or somehow less of a soldier or a man if they go. I fought against > >> this all the time as a medic. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:23 PM > >> To: cf-community > >> Subject: Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US > soldier? > >> > >> > >> that's where I was going with the why was he on active duty thing. But > I am > >> not buying that it's all the fault of the Army and they should have > seen it > >> coming, either. Not unless a whole lot comes out at trial about him > asking > >> for help and not getting it. > >> > >> > >> By the way, anyone know if courts-martial normally permit media > coverage? > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Eric Roberts < > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Not to defend him, but different people react differently. I would > >> > say PTSD played a role in this and that more than likely, the Marine's > >> > metal health serves failed this soldier, but the fact does remain that > >> > he went on to murder people. Sometimes the "crazy" doesn't come to > >> > the surface until triggered. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > >> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:02 PM > >> > To: cf-community > >> > Subject: Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US > soldier? > >> > > >> > > >> > pretty sure there will be an insanity defense. And I think I saw that > >> > he saw friend get his leg blown off the day before. But still. The > >> > answer to that, I think is that a lot of soldiers live through > >> > horrifying situations, and don't go out and shoot children afterwards. > >> > The guy who shot two cops and a few more random people in Albuqueruque > >> > about three years ago was certifiably bat-shit crazy, and his doctor > >> > changed his meds. Him I feel for a little bit, because he *did* go to > >> > the ER and say please help me, and didn't get it. (And as I recall, > >> > he's in a mental health hospital now, not jail. But he's locked up, > >> > and probably won't ever get out.) > >> > > >> > If he was crazy enough to shoot children why was he on active duty? > >> > > >> > If he was crazy enough and distressed enough to do this then why > >> > didn't he seek help? As far as I know even in Kandahar there's a way > >> > to say you know what, I'm losing it. I scare myself. Take my gun away. > >> > If he's just an asshole, throw the book at him. This is one of the > >> > most egregious crimes I've ever heard of, a) because it was a massacre > >> > of the helpless and b) because of the harm it does to the war effort. > >> > It wiped out the gains made because of the sacrifices of many, many > other > >> soldiers. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Tony <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > am I insane to think that this kinda thing is not surprising at all, > >> > > that we have driven out boys to madness (some of them) and that > >> > > although he pulled the trigger, it's our lust for war and oil that > >> > > is the cause of this, and the more we re-deploy and re-deploy more > >> > > and more of this will continue. I mean, the dude was TRAINED to > >> > > kill, has seen the unimaginable, has more flashbacks than we can > >> > > conceive and we drove him to this. just look at they murdered wives > >> > > and others when dudes come home from the frontlines. it's gotta be > >> > > hard to separate all of this mentally and expect to come back with > >> > > any sort of normalcy > >> > intact. > >> > > > >> > > idk I feel for him, and his family > >> > > > >> > > On Thursday, March 22, 2012, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions > >> > > < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> He's going to face 17 counts of murder. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/22/10816077-defense-off > >> > > ic > >> > > ial-staff-sgt-robert-bales-to-face-17-murder-counts-in-afghanistan-m > >> > > as > >> > > sacre > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > In other kinda off topic but interesting tangent news; at least a > >> > > > police Chief has stepped down. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/bill-lee-trayvon-martin_n_1 > >> > > 37 > >> > > 3475.html > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:349022 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
