Re: fairly balanced maybe?

I see actions on both sides I disagree with. I think there are legitimate reasons, like trying to prevent assassinations, for a perimeter around a building with a bunch of heads of state in it. So while ok, I suppose free speech is everywhere, I think protesters were pushing by trying to get to th

Re: fairly balanced maybe?

I much prefer British journalism to our own. Which is funny considering my opinion on their government, but I digress. This seems like a better story for the most part. I have big problems with the IAVW. They have major reliability and verification problems. Several times members of theirs ha

fairly balanced maybe?

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FBI Informant that kled to trumpoed up conspiracy charges

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Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

http://libertarianreview.us/2012/05/20/nato-protests-in-chicago-some-officers-refuse-to-arrest-non-violent-protesters/ On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Dana wrote: > agreed, just saying -- posting edited video and saying look, brutality is > damaging in the long run also. There *are* two sides

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

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Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > Go look up the labor movement Cam...they protested and went on > strike...that > was pretty effective. Protesting also got us out of the war in Vietnam as > it brought extreme attention to it and as a resul

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Re: All your google belong to us

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Re: All your google belong to us

Oh I am not using it for anything important. Just crappy stuff, I don't need taking up space on my drive. If they really want to know how many points my poker players have accumulated over 9 weeks, they can have it! LOL On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Vivec wrote: > > partsy poopers! > > On 21

Re: All your google belong to us

partsy poopers! On 21 May 2012 20:00, LRS Scout wrote: > > I don't know, their refusal to talk about what their relationship is with > the NSA, and the way they data mine for adsense and stuff, I'm not sure I'd > be using it anytime soon.

Re: All your google belong to us

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Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

I totally agree with you. The picture of the one cop punching someone in the face has gotten a lot of mileage on various sites, but it's totally out of context. The guy the officer is hitting had just broken a piece of wood over another officers head. Although there is something to be said for

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

agreed, just saying -- posting edited video and saying look, brutality is damaging in the long run also. There *are* two sides. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Black Bloc and R.A.S.H. are pretty retarded, and prone to starting trouble > on their own. I've had run ins in t

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

no no there were batons used -- look at video #2 above On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I haven't heard that (about the police) but it is possible. I am skeptical > of what the MSM is reporting as they were saying that many of the injur

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

if true the comment applies to that particular situation. But apparently they never did use the tear gas. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I haven't heard that (about the police) but it is possible. I am skeptical > of what the MSM is r

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

Large scale protests most certainly contributed to the end of the war in Vietnam. The anti-war movement didn't really have major support until about 68, and it kept growing right up until we were forced to sign the Paris peace nonsense. It certainly also impacted our conduct of the war, in many

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Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

I am not sure either -- just summarizing the other side of the story. There is one. I *will* say that I did personally see streaming video of a van, apparently the same van, being banged on and almost rocked. I could understand feeling threatened, even refusing to stop. I am not sure the speed I s

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

I would disagree...the protests really cast a bright lite on it. -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:14 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pics from the NATO Protest On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

I haven't heard that (about the police) but it is possible. I am skeptical of what the MSM is reporting as they were saying that many of the injuries were self-inflicted...definitely not buying that. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 201

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

Black Bloc and R.A.S.H. are pretty retarded, and prone to starting trouble on their own. I've had run ins in the past with both. That being said the use of false flag ops and agents provocateur is well established and documented, to the point that the vast majority of today's terror arrests are

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

Not only does it look disproportionate...it was...31,000 Chicago police (plus whatever Philadelphia and Charlotte sent) for the estimated 10,000 protestors... -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:49 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pi

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

that may well be what is going on and in fact I suspect it is. It needs to be addressed, though I will admit I have no suggestions on how. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > It is well known that there are agents provocateur starting troub

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

I am not sure I am buying the police response to that... -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:48 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pics from the NATO Protest #1 looks like the black bloc stuff I was talking about, did not see a compl

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > I would like to add the civil rights movement as another time that protests > work, as well as the solidarity movement in eastern Europe. > Civil Resistance is what makes a difference, not protests by themselves. Protests are one part, and whi

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

It is well known that there are agents provocateur starting trouble. They caught a bunch of undercover cops trying to sneak into the crowd here and I have seen it at the protests in California. Many of them pose as black bloc and start problems to try and discredit protestors. That is an age ol

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > Go look up the labor movement Cam...they protested and went on > strike...that > was pretty effective. Protesting also got us out of the war in Vietnam as > it brought extreme attention to it and as a resul

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

I would like to add the civil rights movement as another time that protests work, as well as the solidarity movement in eastern Europe. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Dana wrote: > > yeah that's the livecaster stuff I was talking about. > > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

yeah that's the livecaster stuff I was talking about. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > TimCast... > > http://www.ustream.tv/timcast he also has other vids recorded throughout > the day and evening > > A couple of links that point to the

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

nod, what defused the situation at Michigan and Cernak as I saw it was that protesters near the rear moved a barricade so they could move back and give the front line protesters a place where they could move back without trampling each other. I also heard but did not see that some of the journalis

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

Go look up the labor movement Cam...they protested and went on strike...that was pretty effective. Protesting also got us out of the war in Vietnam as it brought extreme attention to it and as a result it because really unpopular. -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall - Uber Website Sol

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

LOL...yeah... -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:27 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pics from the NATO Protest mind you "what I expected" is a low bar indeed. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Dana wrote: > there was some dispr

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

TimCast... http://www.ustream.tv/timcast he also has other vids recorded throughout the day and evening A couple of links that point to the raid. They were held and cuffed at gunpoint...that's a bit excessive and totally uncalled for. http://bit.ly/LmIhIr http://bit.ly/KtvMvZ -Original

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

Overall...they did do a lot better...I wish I could post the pic here, but I have one on FB that has cops in riot gear pushing a group of p eople up against the fence and one cop has a taser (not the projectile type...the one that just arcs at the end...i forget what it is called) up against one g

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

maybe not. There were some injuries there though and I saw part of it is what I am saying. The number of police looks disproportionate until you think about it. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Yes...Michigan and Cermak is right by McCo

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

Yes...Michigan and Cermak is right by McCormick place...though I don't think that was the center of the protests that day. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:27 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pics from the NATO Protest there wa

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

#1 looks like the black bloc stuff I was talking about, did not see a complete tape on this #2 police really do seem to be hitting and hitting people who are already down #3 saw a raw livestream on this. Protesters had that van surrounded and were banging on it. Police version is that someone brok

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

The one I was referring to was on Washington near Daley Plaza... -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:19 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pics from the NATO Protest was that Michigan and Cernak? Cause that's the one I am talking abo

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

see... assuming the McCormick Place metro is near the convention center, the were only three blocks away, and there were how many heads of state in the building? They really couldn't let them get much closer. Especially not guys with t-shirts saying hi, I am an anarchist, I mean really, there is n

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

I saw that. I made a tinyurl for it here um Saturday or so. I am also not happy about the livestreamers who got hassled at gunpoint, not the way to treat journalists, Chicago, and yes citizen journalists do count. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wr

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

mind you "what I expected" is a low bar indeed. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Dana wrote: > there was some disproportionate force. But on the *whole* Chicago did > better than I expected. What was so important about Michigan and Cernak > though? Getting to close to McCormick Place and trigge

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

there was some disproportionate force. But on the *whole* Chicago did better than I expected. What was so important about Michigan and Cernak though? Getting to close to McCormick Place and triggering security concerns I am guessing? Been meaning to look that up. That might actually be kind of leg

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

Plus, they did a preemptive raid, claiming that the people arrested had incendiary devices. The "incendiary devices"...welll it was a beer making kit. Occupy Chicago documented it early on and posted the pics of what was confiscated (unfortunately, I only know of a FB page, and FB doesn't seem t

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > I only watched the first, but it sure looked like the protesters were > trying top break the line and the police responded. There really isn't > enough context to judge wether the force they used was reasonable, maybe it > wasn't. > > Bu

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

I did also want to comment that I don't completely understand this black bloc bullshit but everytime I hear about them -- and I can think of incidents in Oakland, San Francisco and Santa Cruz off the top of my head in addition to the charging the police thing yesterday -- they really seem to do mo

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > Let me find the video on Youtube where the cops were kittling and beating > the protestors... I only watched the first, but it sure looked like the protesters were trying top break the line and the police

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

was that Michigan and Cernak? Cause that's the one I am talking about too. I will give that police chief credit that showed up and naw naw naw take the gas masks off. I read he ordered no batons if possible, too. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wro

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOImv8e14RE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M97GDTzmyR4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7cNXNwSN4o There's a few -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:13 PM To: cf-community Su

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

Let me find the video on Youtube where the cops were kittling and beating the protestors... -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:13 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pics from the NATO Protest This reads as "we're protesting

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

I think that with some exceptions -- ramming protesters with a van being one -- the police were kinda controlled. As far as I know they backed down from teargas, for example. I watched some of the livestreams and saw some stuff where police where trying to back protesters up who really had no plac

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

This reads as "we're protesting anything and everything that anyone has ever been upset about". ...and I'm not saying that the police always act right, but the Chicago Trib link that started this thread was primarily of peaceful protests. I saw a few injuries oh unknown origin, and a protestor wh

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > NATO Summit... protesting the war in Afghanistan as well as other military > actions taken by NATO, plus all the other occupy stuff like income > inequality, healthcare, etc... > And Democracy... http://w

RE: Pics from the NATO Protest

NATO Summit... protesting the war in Afghanistan as well as other military actions taken by NATO, plus all the other occupy stuff like income inequality, healthcare, etc... There was a big protest in front of Boeing HQ today "Healthcare not Warfare"... It's a shame the FB links are not working

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM, GMoney wrote: > I haven't been following this...what's everyone pissed off about now? > > From the pictures, it looks like maybe they cancelled a Phish concert? Yeah I'm a little lost too... -Cameron ... ~

Re: Pics from the NATO Protest

I haven't been following this...what's everyone pissed off about now? >From the pictures, it looks like maybe they cancelled a Phish concert? On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > OK.this is from the Chicago Tribune, so they should be ea

Pics from the NATO Protest

OK.this is from the Chicago Tribune, so they should be easily accessable. http://galleries.apps.chicagotribune.com/chi-120520-nato-summit-protests-sun day-pictures/index.html#2 http://bit.ly/LeHwUX if the above isn't working. ~

Re: DOJ: videotaping cops is a constitutional right

Did you see that Baltimore Sun link at the bottom? No so encouraging. It shows that you can't give PDs ANY leeway or they will find a way to abuse it. Come on guys. If you aren't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide. At least, that's what YOU keep telling US. On 5/21/2012 2:

Re: DOJ: videotaping cops is a constitutional right

I saw that last week, and was encouraged. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > DOJ comes out and argues the seemingly obvious, that videotaping and > photographing police in public areas is a protected 1st Amendment > activity. Ridiculously obvious, I know, but something tha

DOJ: videotaping cops is a constitutional right

DOJ comes out and argues the seemingly obvious, that videotaping and photographing police in public areas is a protected 1st Amendment activity. Ridiculously obvious, I know, but something that police departments nation-wide have been fighting against for quite awhile. http://www.nytimes.com/2012

Re: taxes and itemization

You can ask your nearest Small Business Development Center for further advice in this area. Most assistance is free and they will know some good CPAs. http://www.sba.gov/ http://www.asbdc-us.org/ You can check with any local colleges too. The center for student development (or whatever the

Re: taxes and itemization

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Maureen wrote: > I agree that a CPA is a good idea, but I still think knowing the > terminology and at least having a basic idea of what is deductible is > helpful because not even CPAs are infallible, and there are some bad > ones out there. Agreed. At that e

Re: taxes and itemization

Very true... Also, most good CPAs will also be able to instruct you on what types of deductions are most likely to trigger an audit in the first place. -Cameron On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Dana wrote: > I actually usually do my own taxes. But I have read that one of the > edvantages of h

Re: taxes and itemization

I agree that a CPA is a good idea, but I still think knowing the terminology and at least having a basic idea of what is deductible is helpful because not even CPAs are infallible, and there are some bad ones out there. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > To add a bit to

Re: taxes and itemization

Should have been: http://home.mchsi.com/~taxcalculator/download.htm On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > was there a link Mo, except to the IRS? > > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Maureen wrote: >> >> Go here and download the spreadsheet. ~~

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I actually usually do my own taxes. But I have read that one of the edvantages of having a CPA is that if God forbid you get audited and the IRS is wondering why this deduction doesn't correspond to this other record over here, the CPA says hmm I will ask about that. Whereas if you did your own yo

Re: taxes and itemization

Yeah, I'm thinking a good CPA is the way to go. Thanks all! On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Maureen wrote: > >> Go here and download the spreadsheet.  It has most of the forms you >> need.  There are couple that aren't there that

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was there a link Mo, except to the IRS? On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Go here and download the spreadsheet.  It has most of the forms you > need.  There are couple that aren't there that you can download from > IRS.GOV > > Look at  what items are listed on the schedule A,B

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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Maureen wrote: > Go here and download the spreadsheet. It has most of the forms you > need. There are couple that aren't there that you can download from > IRS.GOV Greg- To add a bit to this... These are great things to research, and I encourage you to rea

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Go here and download the spreadsheet. It has most of the forms you need. There are couple that aren't there that you can download from IRS.GOV Look at what items are listed on the schedule A,B,C, etc. Those are the items you can deduct. Itemizing is only useful on Schedule A if your itemizat

Re: anyone ever hear of a promotional version of windows?

could be. There was a son who apparently works on the computer when he comes over. And that is essentially what he told her, but he was in Yosemite. I did not actually check the version -- does 8 look a lot like 7? But otherwise it was as described -- password required, and she had no idea what it

Re: taxes and itemization

Yes a good CPA will save you HUNDREDS in taxes... http://www.daveramsey.com/elp/home/ictid/rt.nav is a good place to find one. They are all vetted and are the real deal. -J.J. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Justin Scott wrote: >

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Re: anyone ever hear of a promotional version of windows?

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