Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I had to suffer listening to the person when he was running for Maryland's Senate seat 7 years ago in '02. Some of the stuff he said on the stump was right wing extreme even when compared to Barbera Buchannan of Minnesota. I really don't think the guy's insane. He's an extremist trying to make a

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-20 Thread Gruss Gott
Larry wrote: I had to suffer listening to the person when he was running for Maryland's Senate seat 7 years ago in '02. too long. I saw him last year. his logic on things was like a Pollock painting. ~| Want to reach the

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
No, Keyes is bat-shit crazy. I don't know if he is bat-shit crazy, but he is extremely conservative. He makes most GOP members look like full-blown socialists. he couldn't win against a democrat in Maryland who was incompetent to say the least That means nothing. I have seen plenty of

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Let me put it this way about Keys in the Maryland election, he started off at the bottom of the barrel and began digging deeper. He alienated almost every group he would have needed to win. The seat could have been his for the taking if he had been even a bit sensible. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
Let me put it this way about Keys in the Maryland election, he started off at the bottom of the barrel and began digging deeper. He alienated almost every group he would have needed to win. The seat could have been his for the taking if he had been even a bit sensible. Ahhh. I don't follow

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott wrote: I never said that none of the birthers are racist, but I don't think they all are. See? You've finally come around to my position because that's exactly what I said. I said it's a conspiracy of racists, reactionaries, and wackos. So neither of us thing they all are. We agree!

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
No, you said that trying to 'de-legitimizing' the president was racist. That we do not agree on. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: Scott wrote: I never said that none of the birthers are racist, but I don't think they all are. See?  You've finally come

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
You are also making the assumption that ALL birthers are racist, again, something we disagree on. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: Scott wrote: I never said that none of the birthers are racist, but I don't think they all are. See?  You've finally come

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott wrote: You are also making the assumption that ALL birthers are racist, again, something we disagree on. Uh, no. As I've written at least 5 times I think some are racists and the rest are reactionaries and loons. Here's what I wrote at the top of this thread: It's an alliance

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
I wonder if thishttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/obama-birth-cer.htmlbirther is racist? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Jerry Johnson
No, Keyes is bat-shit crazy. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if this http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/obama-birth-cer.html birther is racist? ~| Want

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
just a complete loon. Seriously, he couldn't win against a democrat in Maryland who was incompetent to say the least. Then the republicans made him a parachute candidate against Obama where he was was thoroughly trashed in the election. so I suspect that he's a bit bitter over that defeat. On

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Gruss Gott
JJ wrote: No, Keyes is bat-shit crazy. Yeah, I saw him speak in Chicago and ... whoa. I truly believe he's insane. Glen beck just plays an insane guy on TV but Keyes? He's the real deal. actually insane. ~| Want to

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Judah McAuley
I think he might be. He really reminds me of the blind, black KKK dude in the Chappelle Show skit except Keyes is more crazy. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Grant
Clayton Bigsby I believe. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.comwrote: I think he might be. He really reminds me of the blind, black KKK dude in the Chappelle Show skit except Keyes is more crazy. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Jerry Barnes

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
See, I would have had no issues if the argument against Rush owning a team was 'well, he is a douche bag' On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Limbaugh admitted to telling a black listener to Take that bone out of your nose and call me back and saying

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
Funny, there goes the whole 'well the other guys do it' argument. I love that one, really puts a smile on my face. And in my own, admittedly limited, experience, I have found that black people living in public housing want to kill white paramedics (and that is based on more than just my

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Lets see as a ESPN commentator Rush Limbaugh said that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback do well. Also to quote Limbaugh Look it, let me put it to you this way. The NFL all too often looks like a game between the

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
The comment about McNabb was more of a slam against the media than McNabb, and far from a racial comment. The only way I see the second comment would be racist is if you assume only blacks are in gangs. This comment was more directed at how the NFL runs its operation rather than those who play

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Scott without even trying there are quite a few of his racist quotes: The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies. source: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2549 Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Sam
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Limbaugh admitted to telling a black listener to Take that bone out of your nose and call me back He said that 30 years ago as a music DJ and said often he feels really bad for saying it. and saying Have you ever

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Sam
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Lets see as a ESPN commentator Rush Limbaugh said that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback do well. That's not racists. Or are white folk

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
thing is that he has said similar stuff more recently. Its a pattern this person uses regularly, he goes right up to the legal edge of a hate speech. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Scott without even trying there are quite a few of his racist

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Sam
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Scott without even trying there are quite a few of his racist quotes: The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies. source: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2549 I

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Sam
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704322004574477021697942920.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Scott without even trying there are quite

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Scott without even trying there are quite a few of his racist quotes: The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies. source: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2549 I

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
If he's thought as Democrat Lite, I'd hate to see what the right wing would be, Nazi regalia underneath Klan robes? As someone else noted, the klan made famous for its brutality was practically an extension of the Southern Democratic Party. Kind of like Acorn and the Democratic party now. As

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Michael Grant
Obama claimed he was born in two different hospitals, hard to take him seriously. I think it's pretty clear to see the Obama is a Kenyan robot programmed to destroy the US. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott wrote: Based on your reasoning, Larry is racist because he tried/tries to de-legitimize GW every chance he got. So Larry made the claim that GW was not a US citizen? Larry - did you claim that GW was not a US citizen? Did you ask for GW to prove that he met the requirements to be US

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
NO I just go for stupidity, veniality and plain incompetance. not just the shrubbery. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Based on your reasoning, Larry is racist because he tried/tries to de-legitimize GW every chance he got. (Sorry, Larry, Gruss'

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'm simply not sure about that. It seems to me that the birther issues are a veneer overlying the racism. I think that if Obama was white but had the exact same background, the same accusations would not exist. Its only because he is black that you're getting such hysterics on the extreme right

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Vivec
That's my take on it too. And it's what I think of when they are interviewed and say they have to take back THEIR country. Sad stuff. 2009/10/17 Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com: I'm simply not sure about that. It seems to me that the birther issues are a veneer overlying the racism.  I

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You have to be kidding. Senator McCain has one of the highest scores from the Conservative Union - having voted over 98% on pro conservative issues. If he's thought as Democrat Lite, I'd hate to see what the right wing would be, Nazi regalia underneath Klan robes? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:19

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Jerry Johnson
I actually don't think it is racist, so much as not like meist I think if he had a heavy Spanish accent, heck, a heavy French accent, the same would hold true. If he were a Morman, again, true. If he were single, I think he would be having similar problems. Or gay. So on Obama's case, I

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Scott Stroz
So, is it questioning anyone on whether they are a citizen that is racist? Or is it only if you question the president? Or maybe only this president? Nice backpedal Gruss. You claimed they were racist because they are trying to 'de-legitimize' the president. A very good argument can be made that

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Michael Grant
Well, with Bush we questioned his legitimacy as a human, not as a citizen. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, is it questioning anyone on whether they are a citizen that is racist? Or is it only if you question the president? Or maybe only this

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Dana
how is he hiding it? do you want him to hand it around so each one of these nutjobs can feel the raised seal? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I can't think of another Democrat, or Republican, who has gone to such lengths to hide his birth certificate.

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Dana
yeah. What he said. It wasn't like Democrats in Congress were questioning McCain's standing to be President and initiated a partisan attack on him. Quite the contrary, they deemed the legal issue to be obscure and totally useless and therefore put forth a resolution saying that they all

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott wrote: Nice backpedal Gruss. Well here's my experience. I just happen to have discussed this with, eh, maybe 30 of these birther people, and to a person they get all worked up and eventually they call Obama a monkey or a nigger or they say the blackhouse or say that Michelle Obama is a

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Scott Stroz
Wow...you talked to a whole 30 people. That is quite a sampling. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: Scott wrote: Nice backpedal Gruss. Well here's my experience. I just happen to have discussed this with, eh, maybe 30 of these birther people, and to a

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Scott Stroz
Sadly, while I may try to see the best in people, I tend to see the worst in people. Almost 20 years of slinging bodies around the streets on NJ can do that to a fella. I never said that none of the birthers are racist, but I don't think they all are. I just find it funny that it seems OK for

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Sam
Wrong party. Nazi and Clansmen are Dems. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: You have to be kidding. Senator McCain has one of the highest scores from the Conservative Union - having voted over 98% on pro conservative issues. If he's thought as

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Sam
So what do you make of the folks that filed law suits against McCain? On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jerry Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: I actually don't think it is racist, so much as not like meist I think if he had a heavy Spanish accent, heck, a heavy French accent, the same would

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Sam
For eight years GG was screaming the only purpose of the media was to challenge the president and the government. Now, you're racist if you challenge anything Obama. Convenient that black thing isn't it :) On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, is it

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Sam
You can't be that ignant to think people believe this rubbish? Hmmm, then again I always used to say if you question a lefty long enough you'll find anti-semitism. Maybe you're right. I don't know any birthers so I can't do my own study :) On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Gruss Gott

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Correction, I paint no more of a wide brush than Sam or others. That said, one thing I wam willing to admit and unlike those others, I am very willing to admit when I'm wrong, or when the data dictates other than what I think. In my own admittedly limited experience, I've found that when you

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Sam
I challenge you to prove in any way Rush is racists. The current NFL scam was a fraud pointing back to Obama administration. What Rush said on ESPN years ago was not racist no matter how you try to spin it. I find that people throwing the racist label around are often the ones that cross the

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-17 Thread Judah McAuley
Limbaugh admitted to telling a black listener to Take that bone out of your nose and call me back and saying Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson? as well as (more specific to the NFL) Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread denstar
The money that was spent on that sign should have gone to NASA. I'm deeply saddened. -- Anyone who speaks in the name of others is always an imposter. Emile M. Cioran On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: ... New 'brith certificate' billboard erected in Florida:

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Denny wrote: The money that was spent on that sign should have gone to NASA. I'm deeply saddened. That's the thing: somebody was actually stupid enough to spend money on this. It's such an utterly brainless concept that it can only be racism. I get racism - it's a eons old psychology

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Gruss Gott
gg wrote: So the only explanation that I can come up with for someone to spend money on something like this is devolution. They are not men.  The are devo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmf7r_37e ~| Want to reach the

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Michael Grant
But it's also logically ridiculous. Screw you cracker! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive:

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Grant wrote: But it's also logically ridiculous. Screw you cracker! Hey bro, I'm down with brown. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Gruss Gott
gg wrote: They are not men.  The are devo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmf7r_37eA New rule: you're an idiot if you don't love these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRENoPisFY ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread G Money
Are you an idiot if you can't FIND those guys...? The URL contained a malformed video ID On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: New rule: you're an idiot if you don't love these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRENoPisFY

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Vivec
It says you are a malformed video id. 0_0 2009/10/16 Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRENoPisFY ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Please explain to me how its racist. I will give you ridiculous, I will give you stupid. But I fail to see how its racist. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: Denny wrote: The money that was spent on that sign should have gone to NASA. I'm deeply

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Wait..I get it..its racist because its abotu Obama. I forgot that part of the 'change' we were promised was that you can no longer question the president without being called a racist. That there is some great 'change' On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Dana
it's irrational malice. Explain it some other way if you can. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Wait..I get it..its racist because its abotu Obama. I forgot that part of the 'change' we were promised was that you can no longer question the president

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Michael Grant
It *IS* change. Before (2000-2008) if you questioned the president you were unpatriotic. Now it's racist. Next president will just label anyone that questions him a pedophile. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Wait..I get it..its racist because its abotu

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
I will buy 'irrational malice'. But giving it a label of 'racism' is ludicrous. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: it's irrational malice. Explain it some other way if you can. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Wait..I

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Good point Michael. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: It *IS* change. Before (2000-2008) if you questioned the president you were unpatriotic. Now it's racist. Next president will just label anyone that questions him a pedophile. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Vivvy wrote: It says you are a malformed video id. 0_0 2009/10/16 Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRENoPisFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRENoPisFYk forgot the k ~| Want to reach the

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott wrote: I will buy 'irrational malice'. But giving it a label of 'racism' is ludicrous. It's an alliance between Tim McVeighs and David Dukes: reactionary righties and racists. And this isn't questioning the President's policies, it's an attempt to outright de-legitimize him. And

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Racism is 'discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race '. I would not categorize the birthers behavior as discriminatory nor abusive. I'll buy your 'right wing conspiracy nut job' label, but, again, not racism. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Gruss Gott

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Maureen
Whether or not it is racism depends entirely on the motive of those behind this movement. At least in part, these birthers are being funded by white supremacist organizations - so in those cases, it would indeed be racism. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott wrote: Racism is 'discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race '. I would not categorize the birthers behavior as discriminatory nor abusive. Trying to de-legitimize a US president is a proxy for racism. Do you really believe that if it was McCain - who was

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Based on your reasoning, Larry is racist because he tried/tries to de-legitimize GW every chance he got. (Sorry, Larry, Gruss' definition, not mine) If Obama as Republican we would not be talking about this either. I find it interesting that with all the differences between McCain and Obama, you

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Dana
because the key point about GW is not that he is a white man. It's that he is a STUPID white man. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Based on your reasoning, Larry is racist because he tried/tries to de-legitimize GW every chance he got. (Sorry, Larry,

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Dana
ok. You think it's irrational malice towards democrats? What? Just calling something ludicous is not a refutation. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I will buy 'irrational malice'. But giving it a label of 'racism' is ludicrous. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
No, they key point about GW was that he is a stupid man. The key point about Obama is not that he is a black man. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: because the key point about GW is not that he is a white man. It's that he is a STUPID white man. On Fri,

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
I think the obsession with his birth certificate is ludicrous. I personally think it is more based on the fact that he is a Democrat than the fact he is black. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: ok. You think it's irrational malice towards democrats? What? Just

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Let me correct that...the point about GW was that he was a stupid Republican. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: No, they key point about GW was that he is a stupid man. The key point about Obama is not that he is a black man. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:51

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Dana
well I can't think of another Democrat who's been asked for a birth certificate, But I am sure you have some examples to back that up, right? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I think the obsession with his birth certificate is ludicrous. I personally

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
Another link for you: Gary Kreep To File 9 New Birther Lawsuitshttp://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=3854 The site does not give many details. Nice name. By the way, on the racism charge: Some of the birthers are surely racists but that doesn't make them all racist. I think most are just

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread denstar
Yeah, the real problem is always ideas. Things like race or ethnicity or eye color... bwahahaha. Yeah, right. Different... Same... Different... Same... It's all a game. -- Fame! On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: Another link for you: Gary Kreep To File 9 New Birther

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Sam
McCain had a congressional investigation. Are they racist against whites? They are not de-legitimizing the president. He is by not providing constitutionally required proof. It would take one phone call to end it, instead he spent over $1 million to hide it. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM,

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Sam
I thought you were out of politics? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Whether or not it is racism depends entirely on the motive of those behind this movement.  At least in part, these birthers are being funded by white supremacist organizations - so in

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Scott Stroz
I can't think of another Democrat, or Republican, who has gone to such lengths to hide his birth certificate. Following your, and Gruss', logic because some birthers are racist, they must all be racist. Its a wonder you can hold that wide brush you are painting with. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-16 Thread Judah McAuley
Out of curiosity, where do you see that John McCain had an investigation by Congress? The Senate passed a non-binding resolution (which has absolutely 0 credibility as far as Constitutional requirements goes) but I've yet to see anything that says anyone in the Senate did any investigation. They

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2009-10-16 Thread Judah McAuley
I might also point out that that particular resolution was introduced by Claire McCaskil (a Democrat) and was cosponsored by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (who were both still competing for the Democratic nomination in April 2008). It wasn't like Democrats in Congress were questioning

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2009-10-16 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: I might also point out that that particular resolution was introduced by Claire McCaskil (a Democrat) and was cosponsored by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (who were both still competing for the Democratic

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2009-10-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
Thought everyone might get a kick out of these, regardless of whichever side you fall. New 'brith certificate' billboard erected in Florida: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=112765 An article from a Kenyan Newspaper from 2004 mentioning 0bamab being born in Kenya:

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2009-10-10 Thread Dana
No. You can be a british subject until you are blue in the face, but this does not make you a british citizen nor does it give the british anything at all to do with your citizenship. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: No Shit Sherlock :) Obama himself claimed to

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2009-10-10 Thread Dana
Being a british subject simply means that you are a citizen of a country whose head of state is the queen of England. It does not give you British citizenship nor does it give Britain any say in the citizenship matters of your country since her status is purely ceremonial. On Sat, Oct 10, 2009

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2009-10-09 Thread denstar
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Sam wrote: There's going to be a time in your life when you can't defend Obama by blaming Bush. Actually I think that time passed. I wasn't defending Obama, I was observing how much Bush 43 sucked. His whole administration sucked donkey balls, truth be told.

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2009-10-08 Thread Michael Grant
Obama could speak when he was born? He truly *IS* amazing On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: No Shit Sherlock :) Obama himself claimed to be a British Subject when he was born, not a British Citizen. Being a British Subject his citizenship was governed by

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2009-10-08 Thread Michael Grant
Only one state out of 57 plus states certified Obama as president. 57 plus states? *scratches head* Christ Sam, you don't even know how many bloody states your country has? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with

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2009-10-08 Thread Sam
I got that from The One :) On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: Only one state out of 57 plus states certified Obama as president. 57 plus states? *scratches head* Christ Sam, you don't even know how many bloody states your country has?

Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Vivec
There are those who say that even if Obama were to provide every last record down to dry-cleaning receipts, no proof could satisfy birther proponents. In Taitz's case, there's what she calls a two-prong test. Bucking the common view that natural born citizen — the constitutional requirement for a

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2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Bucking the common view that natural born citizen — the constitutional requirement for a U.S. president — means, generally speaking, born on American soil, Of course, this is wrong too because natural born citizen means born on

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2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I was wondering when someone would be bringing up implicit social cognition. It woudl be far better if the writer could have presented some research on the attitudes of Birthers and their supporters. That said there was an excellent article about Orly Taitz - one of the shining lights of the

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2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
I don't know what Birthers are.. maybe I agree with them in large part. Personally, I think just because you're born here shouldn't make you a citizen. Specifically, if you're born in the United States to someone who is not a legal resident, you should NOT be automatically granted citizen. I

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2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
that's not the issue. the constitution quite clearly states eligibility, native born - on US soil or of parents who are citizens. End of story. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what Birthers are.. maybe I agree with them in large part.

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2009-10-07 Thread Vivec
Rick.. This is a pseudo-political topic ... okies...it is a political topic :-) About the eligibility of Obama to be a US President. Birthers are a group of nutjobs who continue to say that Obama is not a United States citizen despite evidence to the contrary. They supported a US

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2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: that's not the issue. the constitution quite clearly states eligibility, native born - on US soil or of parents who are citizens. End of story. Not end of story. The constitution can be amended, as it has been done

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: About the eligibility of Obama to be a US President. Birthers are a group of nutjobs who continue to say that Obama is not a United States citizen despite evidence to the contrary. Yeah, see that's just silly. rick

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2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Still its irrelevant to the topic. Hijack another one, this is about Birther loonies not immigration ... well you know... On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: that's not the issue.

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2009-10-07 Thread Jerry Barnes
I don't give a damn about the birth certificate. I would like to know why none of these documents have been released. Columbia University transcripts Columbia thesis paper Campaign donor analysis requested by major watchdog groups Harvard University transcripts Illinois State Senate records

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2009-10-07 Thread Vivec
Why do those need to be released? Did George Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Bill Clinton release all those records? 2009/10/7 Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com I don't give a damn about the birth certificate. I would like to know why none of these documents have been released. Columbia

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