On 8/19/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bush is the first president of the US to initiate a pre-emptive war?
I don't think you understand the meaning of pre-emptive.
>
> What about the false reports and "Remember the Maine" drumbeat that led to
> the Spanish-American war in 1898? Which can h
yep. Saw it and answered it after I wote this. I know that terrorists
are bad guys and we, of course, are not the bad guys, but...
On 8/19/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i just did...see previous definition of terrorist.
>
> > I'll take that to mean that you can't...
> >
> >> Yes, it IS that
i just did...see previous definition of terrorist.
> I'll take that to mean that you can't...
>
>> Yes, it IS that out there. I won't even bother to explain why.
>
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> Yes, it IS that out there. I won't even bother to explain why.
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> u I have to state, first of all, for the benefit of Carnivore (and
> anyone else who may give a shit) that I do not necessarily agre with
> that statement, nor do I advocate doing anything in consequence of it.
>
> However, if you define a terrorist as someone who blows up buildings
> and ca
>
> Bush is the first president of the United States of America to
> initiate a pre-emptive war. As though that isn't bad enough he lied
> and created false justifications for the war. If it was anyone else
> in any other country we would be calling them a terrorist. But
> because this is the
> Jaysen wrote:
> That doesn't seem any more unstable as those who still believe there
> are WMD's in Iraq. Or that Bush and the boys didn't lie to justify
> the war or that we can still win the war.
>
Agreed.
> May GW, Rove, Rumsfield,
> and Rice all share a room together as they rot in hell.
well, nuclear is wrong, but when you consider landmines and oils
spills, it's not much more than a bit exaggerated
You *have* heard about the landmines, right?
On 8/18/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And this one
> "We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is conta
u I have to state, first of all, for the benefit of Carnivore (and
anyone else who may give a shit) that I do not necessarily agre with
that statement, nor do I advocate doing anything in consequence of it.
However, if you define a terrorist as someone who blows up buildings
and causes the dea
That doesn't seem any more unstable as those who still believe there
are WMD's in Iraq. Or that Bush and the boys didn't lie to justify
the war or that we can still win the war.
Bush is the first president of the United States of America to
initiate a pre-emptive war. As though that isn't bad en
Meet Iran "all options are on the table"
Dana
On 8/18/05, Jaysen Van <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh great the President is getting potentially bad press only because
> the press has nothing else to cover. Sounds like we are in for another
> diversionary war. Wag that Dog baby Wag it!
>
>
> >
And this one
"We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated.
It will be contaminated for practically eternity now."
On 8/18/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > which part is "crazy"? Just asking.
> >
>
> Well this part seems a bit unstable:
>
> "We are not w
Not in August, everyone's on vacation. Wait until September.
On 8/18/05, Jaysen Van wrote:
> Oh great the President is getting potentially bad press only because
> the press has nothing else to cover. Sounds like we are in for another
> diversionary war. Wag that Dog baby Wag it!
>
>
> > I belie
> Dana wrote:
> which part is "crazy"? Just asking.
>
Well this part seems a bit unstable:
"We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We're waging a war
of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush!"
~~
Oh great the President is getting potentially bad press only because
the press has nothing else to cover. Sounds like we are in for another
diversionary war. Wag that Dog baby Wag it!
> I believe she wouldn't leave if he met her again and as long as the
> press has nothing else to do they'll cove
You might be right. But there would be fewer people saying why *is* he
so scared of her?
On 8/18/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's that saying about doing the same thing over and over again but
> expecting different results? :)
>
> I believe she wouldn't leave if he met her again and as
Yes, Gruss' wishes in the matter are not known and I agree.
You are also free to call a grieving mother a nutcase. Is this a great
country or what?
Dana
On 8/18/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what a load of phukking malarkey.sorry...that's just the first phrase
> that popped into my hea
which part is "crazy"? Just asking.
> he should've met with her on day one, she's not helping helping her
> "symbolism" by talking crazy. But then maybe she doesn't care about
> her symbolism.
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> Sam wrote:
> What's that saying about doing the same thing over and over again but
> expecting different results? :)
>
True enough, but it's a little disingenuous in this case as she didn't
demand to meet him the first time - it was more of a chance meeting.
Either way, however, that time wasn
What's that saying about doing the same thing over and over again but
expecting different results? :)
I believe she wouldn't leave if he met her again and as long as the
press has nothing else to do they'll cover it.
http://drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
CINDY UNLEASHED: 'THE BIGGEST TERRORIST IN TH
> Sam wrote:
> He already met with her. Meeting with her again won't change anything.
>From a PR perspective, that's pretty dumb. The only reason this lady
is getting any press is because the President is snubbing her. It
doesn't matter if he met with her 100 times before, the fact is she's
at h
He already met with her. Meeting with her again won't change anything.
She wants to ask him publicly if he'll send two soldiers home and
replace them with his daughters. She also wants the US out of Iraq now
and probably won't stop until that happens. Like she said, "it's a
circus" and now with mov
> Brian wrote:
>
> Think i'll declare a mutual victory and have a 3 beer lunch :)
>
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> You seem to have a lot of exasperation for someone who's seemingly
> kind of a nutjob.
Actually, i think i'm letting other issues creep into my psyche.."who
cares about Ms. Sheehan, my roof still leaks!"
etc
>
> I will say this: regardless of whether we agree on the war, or what
> h
> Brian wrote:
> She's my hero. I'm spent.
>
You seem to have a lot of exasperation for someone who's seemingly
kind of a nutjob.
I will say this: regardless of whether we agree on the war, or what
her symbol status is, this lady could begin a movement that will end
with troops pulling out of
> Jerry wrote:
> The SUV in Bush's case is symbolic of the REASON we went to war (in
> some people's minds), which adds a perceived layer of insult to the
> act of driving by.
>
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> She's vowed to move to the Whitehouse.
>
She's my hero.
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I think it would be more like OJ walking by with a "She was asking for
it" t-shirt.
The SUV in Bush's case is symbolic of the REASON we went to war (in
some people's minds), which adds a perceived layer of insult to the
act of driving by.
On 8/18/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To us
> Brian wrote:
> This is a pedantic discussion.everything can be symbolic of something,
> all it takes is someone to interpret it as a symbol.
>
Yes but there are certain symbols that are generally agreed to. For
example, the American flag is a symbol of freedom and democracy to
most America
This is a pedantic discussion.everything can be symbolic of something,
all it takes is someone to interpret it as a symbol.
So, yeah, she's a symbol of all kinds of things. If you hate the war, she's
a symbol of thatif you hate Bush, she's a symbol of thaton and
on.
I look forw
> Brian wrote:
> You see some fantastic symbolism in this woman's "protest" because you WANT
> to see it. Well, President's drive by nutcases all the time.
Factually, this lady is a mother who's son died in a war that most
Americans believe they were misled into. That makes her symbolic of
wasted
what a load of phukking malarkey.sorry...that's just the first phrase
that popped into my head :)
Is there symbolism when an anti-abortion nut brings a dead fetus to a
planned parenthood clinic, and doctors drive by in their SUV's..is that
symbolic of "aloof, arrogant" doctors who don't
Yeah...in the past only Congress could declare war but that uniqueness is long
gone...
--- On Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:12 AM, Jerry Johnson scribed: ---
>
> Of course it is 100% Bush's fault.
>
> He alone made the decision to invade Iraq.
>
> Whether he was right or not to do so, the decisi
> Brian wrote:
> far as discussing her as a real news item, I think i'm finished.
>
At present she is a symbol of the President's failure in Iraq, a war a
majority of Americans have come to believe they were duped in to. I
think it just looks horribly bad when the President drives past a
grievin
she does care about her symbolism, because she was an activist long before
any of this tragedy unfolded. I'm still willing to give her a pass, but as
far as discussing her as a real news item, I think i'm finished.
>
> Mr. Bush's management of Iraq has been poor at best and Ms. Sheehan
> has eve
>> Maureen wrote:
>> He has no strategy, and no clue as to how to
>> formulate one.
> Now you've put me in the uncomfortable position
> of defending Mr. Bush
Maybe you should sue her.
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> Dana wrote:
> What Bush needs to tell Cindy Sheehan
>
Mr. Bush's management of Iraq has been poor at best and Ms. Sheehan
has every right to take it to the man, and while it's my opinon that
he should've met with her on day one, she's not helping helping her
"symbolism" by talking crazy. But
Posted on Wed, Aug. 17, 2005
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/12403157.htm
What Bush needs to tell Cindy Sheehan
By Trudy Rubin
Cindy Sheehan is right to be furious.
Camped out in Crawford, Texas, with several other mothers who lost
sons in Iraq, Sheehan wants to meet
> Maureen wrote:
> He has no strategy, and no clue as to how to formulate one.
>
Now you've put me in the uncomfortable position of defending Mr. Bush
:) I think he does have a strategy, that's it's fairly clear, and
that it may work (by that I mean make a democracy out of Iraq.)
The tactics do
Maybe. It doesn't really matter. My daughter has said she wants to be
a soldier. She also wants a nosering. No way in hell either is going
to happen while my permission is required, but if she still wants
either one once she is old enough she will still be my daughter and I
would unquestionably gri
Clearly her son believed in what he was doing. Whether he believed
the administration's justification for the war, and based his
decisions on that justification will never be known.
Perhaps he re-listed simply because wanted to stay and help his
buddies fight, and it had nothing to do with the ra
Much better :)
On 8/17/05, Ken Ketsdever wrote:
> Sorry, Let's fix that:
>
> He has no strategy, and no clue as to how to formulate one.
>
> Should have read:
>
> He has no apparent logical strategy, and provides no evidence of a clue
> as how to formulate one.
>
~~
st 17, 2005 3:53 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Find another idol
There goes that mind reading I was talking about :)
On 8/17/05, Maureen wrote:
> He has no strategy, and no clue as to how to formulate one.
>
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There goes that mind reading I was talking about :)
On 8/17/05, Maureen wrote:
> He has no strategy, and no clue as to how to formulate one.
>
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You misread or I'm not clear... again :)
Condi look real stupid but not show her response that proves her competency
OR
The President look real stupid but not show his response that proves
his competency.
I guess I need to brush up on my writing skills. Where does an old dog
go for this?
On 8/17/
He has no strategy, and no clue as to how to formulate one.
On 8/17/05, Jeff Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You think that kind of information isn't classified? Sure... let's give the
> insurgents a milestone to reach for... We'll leave when X,Y and Z are
> done... the insurgents make sure
Of course it is 100% Bush's fault.
He alone made the decision to invade Iraq.
Whether he was right or not to do so, the decision and ALL American
deaths ultimately fall on his shoulders.
On 8/16/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can understand her being upset at Bush, but he's
LOL -- this is from a right-wing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Ralph Nader and George W. Bush went to a fitness spa for some
> fun. After a stimulating, healthy lunch, all three decide to visit the
> men's room, and they found a strange-looking gent sitting at the
> entrance who said;
>
> "Welcome t
> Sam wrote:
> Condi or the President look real stupid but not show the response that
> proves their competency
If you've been the President for 6 years and still need others to
prove your competency, doesn't that make you incompetent?
Yes I agree and enjoy comedy, especially Letterman and the Daily Show.
But for the comedy to work often they have to doctor things or only
mention half the story.
i.e. on the Daily Show they would have someone ask a question making
Condi or the President look real stupid but not show the response t
I'm familiar with the concept of addiction ;) Just saying, some people
seem to get there easier than others (?) I mean, as little trouble as
I had with this, and as much as it helped, I am really glad it was
available. I guess the art of this from the hospital's point of view
is know who will have
yeah, I have to admit it was fun, but it's not for every day. There's
not much else to do in the hospital anyway, lol, except try to ignore
your roommates television. The thing I was the most grateful for
wasn't the painkillers, it was the earplugs one of the nurses found
for me.
Not sure how thei
I was introduced to the two in a very different for me.
I woke up in a hospital bed, and there was a morphine drip attached to me.
The percocet was precribed afterwards, so i was able to pretty much ignore
it for a long time. Got a bad headache one day, remembered them, took one,
worked great.
He does claim to work with half his brain tied behind his back :)
On 8/17/05, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> >
> day". Plus at that rate (and yeah, it does sound almost impossibly
> high), asside from wondering how he functioned enough to talk to
> people throughout the day, I would imagine that just ge
Throughout the course of history, Commedians (jesters, etc) have
frequently been the only people in the room who could get away with
expressing the truth. Sure it's diluted, but it's often if not usually
there. Also because the truth usually makes the best comedy.
> Ah, another one confusing comed
Not really percocet and morphine are both narcotics and both
addictive. I leave both alone - narcotics scare the crud out of me -
I've seen a few too many addicts, and lost a couple of friends to
narcotics.
larry
On 8/17/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > But then, maybe it's me. The hospit
> holy you know, I had been thinking perhaps I had been
> lacking in sympathy for the man ... the hospital gave me
> a prescription for oxycodone when I left the hospital and
> I had been wary of taking them, except every so often my
> hand would start to really reall really HURT to the point
>
Nice, Maureen. :)
> The truth hurts
> On 8/17/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> These Bill Mahr quotes are killing me. He's worse than Al
>> Franken. At
>> least Franken's funny once and a while :)
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> But then, maybe it's me. The hospital was a little worried about
> giving me morphine and I had zero problems with withdrawal when the
> time came, so ... ::shrug::
>
Morphine was a whole different ballgame. Codeine pills were making me sick,
and the pain was pretty extensive, so they gave m
Ah, another one confusing comedy with truth :)
Do you also think the Daily show is really a news show?
On 8/17/05, Maureen wrote:
> The truth hurts
>
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You think that kind of information isn't classified? Sure... let's give the
insurgents a milestone to reach for... We'll leave when X,Y and Z are done...
the insurgents make sure that X,Y and Z never get completed... You don't give
away strategy like that to the enemy... Don't think that jus
Yeah, Percoset too. My first reaction was wth, I don't need all this
stuff, but I guess there are a lot of nerve endings in the hand? I
find them mainly fun in that they make the pain go away really really
well, but maybe it's just the way I am wired. I mean, what's the fun
of something that makes
My point exactly. It would be a non-story, unless Clinton chose to
make it a photo opportunity, in which case it might make the features
section.
> A lot of people show up to the White House and demand to meet with the
> President, I don't recall any press on Clinton meeting with any of them.
~~~
I received percoset following my hernia surgery, and hydrocodone following
my knee surgery. I didn't take them much after the surgery (Alleve worked
wonders), but have since taken most of them for various other annoyances
(bad headaches, extreme insomnia, etc)
I don't mind admitting I loved em.
again, I am merely pointing out the symbolism. I'll concede that the
security needs might legitimately dictate the choice of vehicle.
On 8/17/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I saw a few other posts like this on various websites, and they were quickly
> shot down by the logic of the s
The truth hurts
On 8/17/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> These Bill Mahr quotes are killing me. He's worse than Al Franken. At
> least Franken's funny once and a while :)
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holy you know, I had been thinking perhaps I had been lacking in
sympathy for the man ... the hospital gave me a prescription for
oxycodone when I left the hospital and I had been wary of taking them,
except every so often my hand would start to really reall really HURT
to the point where I wou
These Bill Mahr quotes are killing me. He's worse than Al Franken. At
least Franken's funny once and a while :)
On 8/17/05, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> I had a stickie on my computer, it said "post war" it must have fallen
> off... and I think really that Republicans for all their talk are just
> suc
Yepl That's it. Operation Iraqi Liberation.
On 8/17/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had a stickie on my computer, it said "post war" it must have fallen
> off... and I think really that Republicans for all their talk are just
> such sentimentalists at heart that they didn't th
I had a stickie on my computer, it said "post war" it must have fallen
off... and I think really that Republicans for all their talk are just
such sentimentalists at heart that they didn't think they needed a
plan... We were just going over there and we were SPREADING FREEDOM!
We're spreading Freed
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:04 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Find another idol
>
> Or in his political policy... My understanding is that you get a
> better tax break for buying an H2 which guzzels more gas than most
> cars on the road, than you do f
Ok, yer making sense now...and I agree with ya.
> I would have preferred that the war had never happened, but since it
> did, we obviously cannot just leave. Iraq would dissolve into civil
> war, and too many people would die. It would make the withdrawal from
> Vietnam look like a Sunday Schoo
> I don't watch Hannity. I just know the Rush wouldn't take
> instructions from anyone. He's WAY to stuck on himself.
We were watching the recent Bill Mahr show and it didn't sink in to me
until the other day exactly how much Limbaugh was taking... when Mahr
says "Do you know how high that is? Bec
On 8/17/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm all for accountability. Perhaps there are better ways to achieve that
> goal than pitching a tent in Texas with Michael Moore.
I suspect Moore showed up after she pitched the tent.
> > I'd park myself in front of his motorcade if I thought it would
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:29 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Find another idol
>
> oh, I think he would, and he would have invited the photographers ;)
> Give the man his due, he knew how to play this sort of stuff.
>
Or in his political policy... My understanding is that you get a
better tax break for buying an H2 which guzzels more gas than most
cars on the road, than you do for a hybrid or electric car.
> there's literal truth and then there's emotional truth.
> I'm not up for
> rehashing the Moore thread fr
I saw a few other posts like this on various websites, and they were quickly
shot down by the logic of the situation.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:34 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Find another ido
Yeah, back before there were all these people that actually knew what was
really going on :)
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:45 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Find another idol
>
> Act
x27;t talk to people like this, there is no point, no matter what he
> says she won't be happy.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:48 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Find
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--- On Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:24 PM, Kevin Graeme scribed: ---
>
> When I worked at a museum, I framed a picture for a Women in the 1920s
> exhibit that showed a group of suffragists camped right on the White
> House lawn. No fences.
>
> It was
When I worked at a museum, I framed a picture for a Women in the 1920s
exhibit that showed a group of suffragists camped right on the White
House lawn. No fences.
It was apparently common for individuals to go directly to the front
door of the White House and ask for an audience.
-Kevin
On 8/17/
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> Subject: Re: Find another idol
>
> A real rancher drives a pickup. But I'm arguing this whole thing in
> terms of perception, Howie. Riding in an SUV does not make him evil,
> no. But in a context of "No War for Oil" and an apparent refusal to
>
st 17, 2005 12:48 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Find another idol
>
> it's what, five minutes out if his schedule? Most bereaved family
> members aren't going to travel to Crawford to ask to meet with him.
> Again, what would Clinton do? If he were in W's posit
What is he supposed to do?
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:03 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Find another idol
>
> Not really. She was part of a large group of women who met with him.
&g
What is wrong with that?
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:05 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Find another idol
>
> exactly. And above all he drove past her in an *SUV.*
hahahahahahahaha...
omg I am laughing my ass off at the coffeehouse here, peaople are
looking at me, lol.
Good one, Sam.
Dana
On 8/17/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's well needed :)
>
> On 8/17/05, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> > NOO!
It's well needed :)
On 8/17/05, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> NOO!
>
> I think I'm going to spend the rest of the day scrubbing my brain.
>
> larry
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I think I'm going to spend the rest of the day scrubbing my brain.
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On 8/17/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Secretly, Larry is Sam's idol.
>
> :)
>
> --- On Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:38 PM, Dana scribed: ---
> >
> > no,
Well it's not so secret anymore :)
On 8/17/05, Howie Hamlin wrote:
> Secretly, Larry is Sam's idol.
>
> :)
>
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Actually, for many years (much of the 1800s), there was an open house
at the White House every Saturday, where regular people could talk to
the President and his cabinet.
On 8/17/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wait.are you saying this isn't the country we founded anymore because
> you c
I was quoting Maureen and didn't bother rewording her words :)
On 8/17/05, Dana wrote:
> no, see, the thing is, it was *Sam* that said that. Usually it's
> Larry's little mark of disrespect.
>
> Dana
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Secretly, Larry is Sam's idol.
:)
--- On Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:38 PM, Dana scribed: ---
>
> no, see, the thing is, it was *Sam* that said that. Usually it's
> Larry's little mark of disrespect.
>
> Dana
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--- On Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:33 PM, Dana scribed: ---
>
> Hell why not have a Humvee? I'm sure you're right though about the
> Secret Service. I'm just pointing out how it could be made to look.
>
~
no, see, the thing is, it was *Sam* that said that. Usually it's
Larry's little mark of disrespect.
Dana
On 8/17/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > yeah, I wondered about that too
>
> > On 8/17/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Did you just call the president "shr
> Well if lobbying congress and protesting outside the white house are
> futile efforts -- which they've proven to be... no idea where it came
> from, but I think the saying is appropriate here: "the definition of
> insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different
> results". Thi
there's literal truth and then there's emotional truth. I'm not up for
rehashing the Moore thread from last summer but... hmm. Obviously fuel
economy is not a priority in the president's household.
Dana
On 8/17/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But in a context of "No War for Oil" and an appar
Hell why not have a Humvee? I'm sure you're right though about the
Secret Service. I'm just pointing out how it could be made to look.
On 8/17/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again - the secret service dictates the president's security and they
> seemingly have determined that the p
Maybe it is. Maybe it's all she knows to do. Like it or not though
she's a heck of a symbol now.
Dana
On 8/17/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not arrogant to camp outside of the president's *personal residence* and
> demand a face-toface meeting? I think it is.
>
> Howie
>
> yeah, I wondered about that too
> On 8/17/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Did you just call the president "shrub?"
>>
>> tap tap tap ... is this thing working???
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:50 PM, Sam scribed:
>> ---
>> >
>> > Are you accusing ABC news of be
Arrogant, sure, but it's effective; and I think its effectiveness
outweighs that. It takes a certain degree of arrogance to want to be
President as well.
- Jim
Howie Hamlin wrote:
>It's not arrogant to camp outside of the president's *personal residence* and
>demand a face-toface meeting? I
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