Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-30 Thread Sam
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Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-30 Thread Michael Grant
http://www.icantspellforshit.com 2009/3/30 Sam sammyc...@gmail.com http://www.ispeckoutmyass.com/ On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: Sam wrote: Please explain why we have it wrong and you don't. http://ispeakthroughlinks.com

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-30 Thread Sam
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Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-30 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-30 Thread Michael Grant
http://www.iwouldnevermocksamsaccent.com On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: You making fun of my accent? 2009/3/30 Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz: http://www.icantspellforshit.com 2009/3/30 Sam sammyc...@gmail.com http://www.ispeckoutmyass.com/

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-30 Thread Adam Haskell
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: Scott wrote: Only one thign you said would be correct. Employees coyld not have meetings about the union on company time, but I see no issue with that. The issue with that is that management can market to employees

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-30 Thread Gruss Gott
Adam wrote: So totally false... Union representatives will come into the workplace and talk to associates constantly, it is especially true during heated negotiations. I wasn't making legal recommendations but rather pointing out the common practice. As for the legality of organizing,

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-29 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: Scott wrote: Only one thign you said would be correct. Employees coyld not have meetings about the union on company time, but I see no issue with that. The issue with that is that management can market to employees

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-29 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott wrote: Again, I see no issue here. My point wasn't whether YOU see an issue, but whether union leadership sees an issue. The answer is yes they do, thus they're pursing a legal remedy to a perceived problem. I was laying out why unions don't like the current set up. Business is

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-29 Thread Scott Stroz
So you think its a good thing that companies will have a harder time managing their business they way they want? Essentially, that is what will happen if it is made easier for unions to get started in a company. I think it is easy enough as it is now, they do not need any help. You naivete

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-29 Thread Robert Munn
LOL, you are a true sucker for that populist line. The unions - the fat cats running the show for the unions - no better represent the interests of the workers than the management of the companies where they work. Incompetent, self-interested union leadership played a fundamental role in the

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-29 Thread Gruss Gott
RoMunn wrote: LOL, you are a true sucker for that populist line. The unions - the fat cats running the show for the unions - no better represent the interests of the workers than the management of the companies where they work. Couldn't agree with you more. As I've said lots o' times, I

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-29 Thread Sam
Please explain why we have it wrong and you don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_check The current method for workers to win recognition of their union in the United States is a sign-up then an election process. In that, a petition or an authorization card with the signatures of at least

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-29 Thread Scott Stroz
It should also be noted that, at least in New Jersey, once you sign the authorization card the union can keep and use that card for up to 5 years ( I think it is 5 years) even if you change your mind and decide you do not want the union. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-29 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: Please explain why we have it wrong and you don't. http://ispeakthroughlinks.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial

How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-28 Thread Gruss Gott
Just to throw this out there, here's how management prevents unions in my experience (but I ain't no expert, so correct me) -- Let's say I'm the CEO, TheGriefer is my COO, and Judah, Scott, and Robert are workers. One day TheGriefer mentions that he overheard Robert singing the praises of

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-28 Thread Scott Stroz
I was management when the union tried to get into my company. We were specifically told we could not do any of the things you claim you can do. There are laws, at least in NJ that dictate what an employer can and cannot say when a union is tryign to push its way in. However, on the flip side,

Re: How Management Controls Unions

2009-03-28 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott wrote: Only one thign you said would be correct. Employees coyld not have meetings about the union on company time, but I see no issue with that. The issue with that is that management can market to employees 24/7 to their employees while the union can't. As far as the things you can