Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Securty were not created by Democrats. " Several things here. There seems to be a hidden assumption that George Bush and the Republicans who created these monstrosities where conservative. Next, they did not create them in a vacuum. The Democrats

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-30 Thread Maureen
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Conservatives want less government unless it's government telling other how > to live their lives - like who to marry, how many kids to have, which drugs > to take (hint, anything made by Big Pharma is ok with them), which God to > worship

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-25 Thread Sam
I was thinking more of U6 http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm . On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Dana wrote: > > http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/countyur-400c.pdf > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> You were talking about counties, I'm talking about the State. >> >> . >>

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-25 Thread Dana
http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/countyur-400c.pdf On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Sam wrote: > > You were talking about counties, I'm talking about the State. > > . > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Dana wrote: > > > > you aren't. You are using numbers that are wrong. But you agre

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-25 Thread Sam
You were talking about counties, I'm talking about the State. . On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Dana wrote: > > you aren't. You are using numbers that are wrong. But you agreed with mine > before you made up your own, so I thought you just made a mistake. Silly me > ;) > > ~

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-25 Thread Dana
you aren't. You are using numbers that are wrong. But you agreed with mine before you made up your own, so I thought you just made a mistake. Silly me ;) On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Sam wrote: > > Why would you think I'm using your numbers? > > . > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Da

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-25 Thread Dana
parse: out of cheese error On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Sam wrote: > > Do you if they did not spend the money on infrastructure then a bridge > over the Mississippi wouldn't have fell down? > > . > > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Dana wrote: > > > > the money leaves the country when y

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Sam
That's pretty funny. But I called her comment retarded and since she takes everything personal I would help her call it a personal attack. And her comment didn't offend me, it drew pity for it's ignorance in lumping an entire group of people into her stereotype. Oddly enough I thought she liked

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Larry Lyons
Really? I didn't see any names mentioned. Just to be consistent with your biases, Was poor widdle boy's fee wings hurt? Aww. That's so bad! Feel better now? >Personal attack: >That's just fucking retarded. > >. > > > >> >> Mainline conservatives for the most part have more in common with >> c

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Jerry Barnes
"People are parasites on the planet and government is the pesticide, get use to it." I thought government was the food source for the parasites. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Conservatives want less government unless it's government telling other how to live their lives - like who to marry, how many kids to have, which drugs to take (hint, anything made by Big Pharma is ok with them), which God to worship. " Bullshit. You are buying into the leftwing spin machine.

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Sam
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Grussgott wrote: > > I think you missed the point because I said that businesses need to be > comfortable taking risks.  So when is that? > > It's when they have an expectation there's going to a future consumer for > their product.  Apple is comfortable invest

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Sam
Do you if they did not spend the money on infrastructure then a bridge over the Mississippi wouldn't have fell down? . On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Dana wrote: > > the money leaves the country when you give it to "job creators" because they > have bank accounts in Bermuda. > >  If you spe

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Sam
Why would you think I'm using your numbers? . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Dana wrote: > > you're USING the numbers from that last personal attack. Except you got them > wrong. It was 23% in Santa Cruz County and 27% in Imperial County. > ~

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Sam
I get that part. I'm wondering what your saying about the mainline conservatives and China. . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > i can only buy products that are available for me to buy. if i need a > computer for my profession, which I do, i have to buy one that is either

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-24 Thread Casey Dougall
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Now you're being silly. Mainline conservatives want less government > interference in life which means more freedom for all. You might have > missed that whole tea party thing. > People are parasites on the planet and government is the p

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Grussgott
I think you missed the point because I said that businesses need to be comfortable taking risks. So when is that? It's when they have an expectation there's going to a future consumer for their product. Apple is comfortable investing right now because their products attract revenue. And th

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
Paul Krugman said at the time that it would not work because it was not enough. And all the economics discussion I've read says it's ok to run up the credit cards a bit in a recession, but you should make sure the money is getting spent domestically and that yes there isa very real long-term struc

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
then I fail to see the rationale for DOMA On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Mainline conservatives for the most part have more in common with > communist > China than democratic America. They have no concerns for the rights of > anyone who does not agree with their nar

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
the money leaves the country when you give it to "job creators" because they have bank accounts in Bermuda. If you spend it on infrastructure then a) bridges over the Mississippi are less likely to fall down, b) you cannot send internet backbone upgrades out of the country (for example) and c) t

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
true about the 5... On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Not sure who you are aiming this at, but if it's at me, you're wrong. > The Labor department considers 5 percent as full employment. Most > people will pay for gas at any price the oil companies set without > complaint, ye

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
you're USING the numbers from that last personal attack. Except you got them wrong. It was 23% in Santa Cruz County and 27% in Imperial County. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Sam wrote: > > Dana is Queen of personal attacks, it's all she knows. > > . > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Maur

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
some of that drive-by went on for weeks. I have things to do, dude. And what innuendo anyway? I just threw out some numbers I think are reasonably accurate (?) but thanks for reminding me why I don't usually comment any more On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Maureen wrote: > > At least she

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
i can only buy products that are available for me to buy. if i need a computer for my profession, which I do, i have to buy one that is either made in china or that has lots of components made in china. i have no choice. that makes me a captive consumer. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Sam wrot

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Eric Roberts
So businesses are consumer creators now too? ROFL. I want what you are smoking... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:07 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Grussgott wrote

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
as between 3-3.5% > > -Original Message- > From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:13 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines > > > Not sure who you are aiming this at, but if it's at me, you're wron

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Grussgott wrote: > > Are you implying that finding jobs for people is not their responsibility but > the government's job?? Nope, I'm implying that it's the responsibly of the government to stop impeding job growth by intimidating business. I know you all think

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Grussgott wrote: > > Well, no, my assumption is not that we trick anybody; its simply that in > order to have demand people have to "feel" comfortable taking a risk.  That > takes institutions and a growing economy.  As an example think of buying a > house - th

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Eric Roberts
Average unemployment up until Bush ass raped the economy was between 3-3.5% -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:13 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines Not sure who you are aiming this at, but if it'

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I guess...though I don't think they are quite at the corporatist level yet... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines Most like a Corporatist Dictatorship.

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Grussgott
Are you implying that finding jobs for people is not their responsibility but the government's job?? Careful with your reasoning Sam ... You're about to talk yourself into a commie position. Remember what conservatives say: let the market dictate what skills are job-worthy and let each person

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Grussgott
Well, no, my assumption is not that we trick anybody; its simply that in order to have demand people have to "feel" comfortable taking a risk. That takes institutions and a growing economy. As an example think of buying a house - that's a pretty big bold bet on the future of the economy! As

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
Normal is 4.5% at that point it's said that anyone that really wants to work can. So it's close enough for me to stop bitching but doesn't mean I'd be satisfied. . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Normal average unemployment is around 3%...so you are comfortable with rat

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
Point is not everyone was able to find work again. Are you implying they are stupid or lazy so it's their own fault? . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I was out of work because I have cancer.  And when I got well enough > to go back to work, I had no problem finding a jobs -

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Grussgott wrote: > > The question on the table seems to be HOW do we incent purchasing such that > we create growth? You assumption is we need to trick folks into buying unneeded items to keep people working. If that were the case we'd just need to elect Jobs a

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
Yeah, I'm confused by it. State what you think and stop beating around the bush. . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > I am a captive consumer, I can only buy the products on offer. This kind of > double-talk doesn't work any longer. > ~

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Maureen
Not sure who you are aiming this at, but if it's at me, you're wrong. The Labor department considers 5 percent as full employment. Most people will pay for gas at any price the oil companies set without complaint, yet will bitch about paying medical costs for sick children. I have neither a mort

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Maureen
Most like a Corporatist Dictatorship. The government is the corporation. Certainly light years from a true agrarian commune model. And from the Marxist ideal of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs." On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Eric Roberts
... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:33 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines So to hell with the 8% in your area and 22% in other areas because YOU have work? It wasn't so long ago you were out of work.

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I would say that China is no long a Marxist state, but a Capitalist dictatorship. -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:18 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines Mainline conservatives for the most part have

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Eric Roberts
+1000 Great question! -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:11 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines More importantly, when did mainline conservatives become more enamored of communist China than

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Maureen
I was out of work because I have cancer. And when I got well enough to go back to work, I had no problem finding a jobs - several jobs, in fact. I see no point in always looking at the negative, and I refuse to buy into the scare tactics of politicians who are really only interested in lining th

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Maureen
Conservatives want less government unless it's government telling other how to live their lives - like who to marry, how many kids to have, which drugs to take (hint, anything made by Big Pharma is ok with them), which God to worship. Maybe you missed that entire religious right thing. Oh, and w

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Grussgott wrote: > > So I'm back to Keynes; if business isn't spending and consumers aren't > spending the only way to kick the economy in the arse is government > spending. But then what about the debt? I dunno but I can't get around the > logic of that concl

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Grussgott
The question on the table seems to be HOW do we incent purchasing such that we create growth? It has been suggested in this thread that business aren't building more factories and investing because they're afraid of Obama. We then debated if this lack of spending was more due to fear of buildi

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
I am a captive consumer, I can only buy the products on offer. This kind of double-talk doesn't work any longer. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Sam wrote: > > What are you talking about? Wynn is not a conservative, and he's not > enamored with China nor am I. > If doing business with China i

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Mainline conservatives want less government > interference in life which means more freedom for all. > Except for those poor slobs in China. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfu

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Mainline conservatives for the most part have more in common with communist China than democratic America. They have no concerns for the rights of anyone who does not agree with their narrow world view, and they are driven by greed." Now you're being silly. Mainline conservatives want less go

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
Personal attack: That's just fucking retarded. . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Mainline conservatives for the most part have more in common with > communist China than democratic America.  They have no concerns for > the rights of anyone who does not agree with their narr

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
What are you talking about? Wynn is not a conservative, and he's not enamored with China nor am I. If doing business with China is your issue you should sell all your electronics because you do business with them also. . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > More importantly,

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
Dana is Queen of personal attacks, it's all she knows. . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Maureen wrote: > > At least she has the ability to discuss without personal attacks. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
So to hell with the 8% in your area and 22% in other areas because YOU have work? It wasn't so long ago you were out of work. Until unemployment drops to 5% nationwide I am going to complain for my fellow Americans. And you should too. It's not fear mongering it's real concern. . On Sat, Jul 23

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Maureen
Mainline conservatives for the most part have more in common with communist China than democratic America. They have no concerns for the rights of anyone who does not agree with their narrow world view, and they are driven by greed. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > More

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
More importantly, when did mainline conservatives become more enamored of communist China than democratic America? On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Sam wrote: > > He's actually catering to the wealthy ones while providing service > jobs to the poorer ones. Not sure if housecleaning and blackjac

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
Yep, read about that. The remedy is probably bribery to the right government officials, but that would violate the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, wouldn't it? On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Grussgott wrote: > > Yeah how about those fake Apple stores? Is there any legal remedy? I > doubt it

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Casey Dougall
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I choose to see 92% employment as a good thing, and not live in a > state of fear. If you prefer to live in a fear and pretend it's > because you are all concerned about the unemployed, go for it. Those are the only two emotions that control

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Maureen
At least she has the ability to discuss without personal attacks. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Sam wrote: > > You've lost the ability to have a discussion and have resorted to > drive by innuendos. > Actually you always did that. > > nevermind ~~~

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Maureen
I choose to see 92% employment as a good thing, and not live in a state of fear. If you prefer to live in a fear and pretend it's because you are all concerned about the unemployed, go for it. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Sam wrote: > > That's very selfish of you isn't it? > > On Sat, Jul 2

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Grussgott
Yeah how about those fake Apple stores? Is there any legal remedy? I doubt it but I haven't read much about it. Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > hyperbole aside, china is not a democracy and does not have protection for > individual rights much less em

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
hyperbole aside, china is not a democracy and does not have protection for individual rights much less employee rights. money is power in china, money provides rights. if you have no money, what does that make you? powerless. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Sam wrote: > > He's actually caterin

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
He's actually catering to the wealthy ones while providing service jobs to the poorer ones. Not sure if housecleaning and blackjack dealers would be considered slaves but what do I know. Maybe they give out iPads as prizes. . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Hello, “th

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
Hello, “the political environment, the regulatory environment, the human resource environment that we're in [is] absolutely delicious.” So he likes the fact that China is chock full of un-free people with no rights who are helpless to fight back against a corrupt government. What was I saying abo

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Robert Munn
hey gov brown, it costs me $30/hr to hire someone to clean my house because of endless state regulations burdening our small businesses. it makes no sense, please provide some leadership in sacramento and help our small businesses survive and prosper. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Sam wrote:

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
Exactly, real unemployment is close to 20% statewide but we need not worry about small businesses ability to create jobs as long as we as individuals are still working? Or at least a most of our neighbors. Out of site out of mind? . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Dana wrote: > > why are we a

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
Mobile apps and cloud development. The country is saved. . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Dana wrote: > > yanno... *I* hear there's a bubble and if you want venture capital now is > the time. But I dunno how limited that is. Mountain View? Silicon Valley? > South Bay? Bay Area?

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
You've lost the ability to have a discussion and have resorted to drive by innuendos. Actually you always did that. nevermind . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Dana wrote: > > and that's been the response so far right? So why would business change a > model which has, after all, worked well

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Sam
That's very selfish of you isn't it? . On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Maureen wrote: > > 8 percent unemployment in Marin County, where I live.  That means that > 92% of the people here are who want to work are working. > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Let me get this str

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
why are we arguing about California's unemployment rate? It was about 12.7% overall this past winter. This factored in numbers like 23% in Santa Cruz County and 27% in Imperial County. It also ignored the 98% unemployment rate in undocumented field hands who cannot file for benefits. But then the

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
like poland...and the lawyers in Pakistan ;) On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "All this complaining about slave labor, yet no one will acknowledge that > exactly same situation would exist in the United States if not for the > labor > movement." > > Who won't acknowledge

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
yes On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I agree. And we can start starving the beast by refusing to believe > the propaganda. > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > > > The stakes are higher than that. get rid of democracy and individual > rights > > and w

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
yanno... *I* hear there's a bubble and if you want venture capital now is the time. But I dunno how limited that is. Mountain View? Silicon Valley? South Bay? Bay Area? On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam wrote: > > It's a hell of a recovery we're in. Move along folks, nothing to see > here, e

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
because unions CAUSED this mess (tm) didn't you get the memo? ya them and their retirement plans... who do they think they are anyway retiring, ph. The police in San Jose thought they could have a retirement plan; guess we showed THEM. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > A

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
public company -- responsibility to stockholders. You know the boilerplate as well as I do. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Not globalize Las Vegas, abandon Las Vegas and take his investment capital > to Macau where he can indeed exploit all that Chinese slave labor with

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Dana
and that's been the response so far right? So why would business change a model which has, after all, worked well for it? "We shouldn't raise taxes on anyone in this economy" reeks of focus group, and probably was carefully crafted through several focus group iterations. And yanno.. I can't say "

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-23 Thread Maureen
8 percent unemployment in Marin County, where I live. That means that 92% of the people here are who want to work are working. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Sam wrote: > > Let me get this straight, you have a job so everything is good? What > about the 12-15 unemployed in California? Screw t

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"No, I mean job producers looking for excuses as to why they aren't creating jobs, and instead cutting jobs and shipping jobs overseas to maintain their Profit Margins." So, are you saying that it has become to expensive to hire Americans or keep Americans employed? Seems like it. "Marcus is a

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Sam
Is the point that if you earn any money overseas you have to STFU about this government? . On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > There's an alernative take on what Wynn said. I thought that the list would > be interested inreadin it instead of the usual right wing sycophants

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Sam
Let me get this straight, you have a job so everything is good? What about the 12-15 unemployed in California? Screw them? That doesn't include the 15 -20 % that gave up looking or aren't eligible. . On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Because it is essential for the opposition

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Sam
It's a hell of a recovery we're in. Move along folks, nothing to see here, everything is just peachy. . On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > This "obama is scary to biz!"  Message is hilarious especially since > the facts totally counter it.  Come on.  VCs and PEGs don't bet

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Sam
http://archive.sba.gov/advo/research/rs371.pdf The research finds that the total costs of federal regulations have further increased from the level established in the 2005 study, as have the costs per employee. More specifically, the total cost of federal regulations has increased to $1.75 trilli

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
Because they are robotic idiots that can only repeat when Rush and Glenn tell them to believe instead of finding out the actual facts. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:56 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
Oh please -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:05 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines Left off the last two q and a's. IBD: Why don't more businesses speak out? Marcus: They are frightene

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Larry Lyons
There's an alernative take on what Wynn said. I thought that the list would be interested inreadin it instead of the usual right wing sycophants: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/steve-wynns-silly-tirade/2011/03/04/gIQAzHAESI_blog.html >You are both wrong. >Wynn didn't ab

RE: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
Imagine that...coming from a company that is a major republican contributor. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Capital on the Sidelines More piling on. Home Depot Co-Founder: Obama Is

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Maureen
Because it is essential for the opposition to discredit him due to the negotiations happening now and they have their propaganda machine turned on full blast. Did you hear Rick Perry's rant about the shuttle yesterday. And not single media outlet that carried the story bothered to note that the

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Gruss Gott
This "obama is scary to biz!" Message is hilarious especially since the facts totally counter it. Come on. VCs and PEGs don't bet money if they think the president is scary to biz. Corps don't invest offshore if they're scared of O. Germany doesn't build plants in US if they're scared of O.

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Maureen
So which ones are they adding? And don't site Obamacare because it's not 2014 yet. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Sam wrote: > > Nobody is saying remove all the regulations, they say stop adding so many > more. ~| Order the

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Vivec wrote: > > No, I mean job producers looking for excuses as to why they aren't > creating jobs, and instead cutting jobs and shipping jobs overseas to > maintain their Profit Margins. So you changed the subject? We're talking about small businesses having a

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Sam
No. He was talking about the cost of health care and CO2 regulations. He didn't say they were laying people off, he said it's too expensive and hostile to grow a small business. . On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Isn't that what Marcus claimed in his diatribe?  That small b

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Vivec
No, I mean job producers looking for excuses as to why they aren't creating jobs, and instead cutting jobs and shipping jobs overseas to maintain their Profit Margins. The IRS and the SEC are there to collect Taxes and to ensure that Corporations obey the law aren't they? So Rich 1% is complaini

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Maureen
Isn't that what Marcus claimed in his diatribe? That small business owners don't wanna do the paperwork caused by the so-called excessive government regulations so they are laying people off? On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Sam wrote: > > Where did you come up with that tidbit? > > . > > On Fr

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Maureen
I'm self-employed. I don't do TPS reports. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Maureen wrote: > >> >> If these companies are laying off people because they don't want to >> deal with paperwork, they aren't producing jobs. > > > We need to

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If these companies are laying off people because they don't want to > deal with paperwork, they aren't producing jobs. We need to talk about your TPS reports. ~| Order the

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Sam
Where did you come up with that tidbit? . On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If these companies are laying off people because they don't want to > deal with paperwork, they aren't producing jobs. > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Sam wrote: >> > >> You mean job producers c

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Maureen
If these companies are laying off people because they don't want to deal with paperwork, they aren't producing jobs. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Sam wrote: > > You mean job producers complaining about how hard it is getting to produce > jobs.

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Maureen
Wasn't the right bitching about all the advisers Obama had from the financial industry? Can't have it both ways. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "But anyway, Obama doesn't have to understand all thisbut the people > ADVISING him, do." > > Many would argue that his a

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Maureen
Marcus is a known hard line Republican, and none of his statements have basis in fact. He's just spinning the Republican line. Stating that healthcare legislation will produce 150,000 pages of regulations is nothing but pure speculation. I'd like to see proof of all these rules that have actual

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Vivec wrote: > > HAHAHHA!! > This is so hilarious!! Nice to see you happy. > The richest 1% talking about being hard done by the Government! > Owner of Home Depot...LOL ! You mean job producers complaining about how hard it is getting to produce jobs. > Oh yea

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
Or how about Goldman Sachs who received 10 billion in direct subsidies in the bailout and who knows how much more in untracked back door deals and has now quietly revealed that they are shipping 1,000 jobs to that bastion of freedom and democracy, Singapore, to shave costs after recording a record

Re: Capital on the Sidelines

2011-07-22 Thread Vivec
HAHAHHA!! This is so hilarious!! The richest 1% talking about being hard done by the Government! Owner of Home Depot...LOL ! Oh yeah...poor us...the only thing we can do now is fire people, it's not our fault for wanting to protect our profit margins at all cost...it's the Government! They need

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