RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
t: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered additional security for the U.S. mission in Benghazi ahead of the terrorist attack, but the orders were never carried out, according to "legal counsel" to Clinton who spoke to best-sel

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
--- > > -Original Message- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:25 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. > > > NOt sure about Sam , but you may find

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Sam
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered additional security for the U.S. mission in Benghazi ahead of the terrorist attack, but the orders were never carried out, according to “legal counsel” to Clinton who spoke to best-selling author Ed Klein. http://www.westernjournalism.com/bombshell-clint

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
-Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:58 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. You already know that Fox News broke the story yesterday regarding the

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
6-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:25 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caug

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Having served with a blue beret and the UN patch on my sleeve as part of my military service, I disagree. The UN does much more good than bad. Just because it doesn't kow tow to every little American whim there are those who whine and want out. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:31 AM, LRS Scout wrote:

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Why we have elections monitors in other countries. We brag about our free and fair elections, this merely demonstrates it even more so. And what if there is something to hide in Texas? Wouldn't fair and impartial observers be better than partisan Republicans who would be tempted to wash over the

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Damn Mo, I wish I could say something that would help. All I can think of is remember him in joy. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Do you think any of that will stop with if Romney wins? Likely it will all > escalate. He has already suggested arming the Syrian rebels. > > But

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
NOt sure about Sam , but you may find that these blog posts by the SF author David Brin may help: http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2007/01/operation-adopt-ostrich.html http://www.davidbrin.com/ostrichpolitics.html http://www.davidbrin.com/ostrichcs.html On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Maureen wr

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Bruce Sorge
You already know that Fox News broke the story yesterday regarding the cia pleas for help, and since then it's been picked up by most of the news outlets on tv and on-line, except CNN of course. The internet and TV are full of timelines of events as well. And the report of the drone is all ove

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Sam
While Bush was President everyone complained about how he was abusing his power and setting it up for the next guy to run amok. They were right that the next guy took it to new levels and needs to be stopped but I'm not hearing it much anymore. Odd that. Must have something to do with that D. .

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
"BTW, I think the the decision to target Kaddafi was wrong. Helping those rebels was wrong. We were not at war there, and the guys we helped had in many cases just come home from killing Americans in Iraq and shit." Very similar to Egypt. Mubarak was an ass but he kept the radicals in line. N

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Vivec
And I agree. You shouldn't be part of the UN and neither should you benefit from it's political influence and ability to project strength via military and treaties. On 27 October 2012 09:40, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "We shouldn't be part of the U.N." > > Amen. > > People who disagree, read up on

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
"We shouldn't be part of the U.N." Amen. People who disagree, read up on Agenda 21. J - Absolute power corrupts even when exercised for humane purposes. The benevolent despot who sees himself as a shepherd of the people still demands from others the submissiveness of sheep. - Eric Hoffer ~~

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
"That is not the point. The point is that people are attacking Obama for personally giving the order to stand down, and for denying the CIA and Gunships permission to act." I think you are viewing this from the wrong side. People are not attacking Obama for personally giving the order to stand

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
"And I will repeat what I told Sam a few days back. I am perfectly capable of pointing out the errors and nonsense in the accusations against any candidate without being a Bot for their opposition." Which is exactly what happened. I wasn't calling you and Obamabot. I was just indicating that i

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
ssage- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:49 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. What is the criminal penalty under the rules of land warfare for being a saboteur or a spy? On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:00 PM,

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Maureen wrote: > > But do please breathe..this is just dialogue. > > I tend

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
ssage- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:27 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. Now we have United Nations monitors coming into this country in greater numbers than ever before. The AG of Texas is s

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:25 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. Do you think

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
-Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:24 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. I don't care about Pakistan or there feelings. They were obviously complicit in his hiding and so

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
sc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:15 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. BTW, I think the the decision to target Kaddafi was wrong. Helping those rebels was wrong. We were not at war there, and the guys we helped had in many cas

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-27 Thread Eric Roberts
http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:51 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. While only a few, some were found.

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I dreamed the other night of a friend died two weeks ago of brain > cancer. 35 years old. Teacher, musician, joker, loved by everyone I > ever talked to who had known her. Quite a bit of music I can't listen > to right now. > Very sorry

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
to:critic...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:23 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. > > > "Yeah, because it is always a good idea to kill people rather than seek > justice. Innocent until proven guilty don&#x

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
haha Good shit. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I've got a friend named Gary Brown. He runs a bar in Salem, Or. Good > place to get a drink if you are ever in that shit hole of a town. Not > sure if I'd nominate him for President. His wife, Dee, though, she's > got th

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
I've got a friend named Gary Brown. He runs a bar in Salem, Or. Good place to get a drink if you are ever in that shit hole of a town. Not sure if I'd nominate him for President. His wife, Dee, though, she's got the steely resolve. And she's a belly dancer. So, there's that. Judah On Fri, Oct 26

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Texas fucks back :) On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > We are part of the UN and we have elections. Republicans say that > election fraud is rampant. I, for one, welcome the election monitors. > Fuck Texas. > > Judah > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:26 PM, LRS Scout wrote:

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
Here's hoping you find yourself again. It's a worthwhile journey. Judah On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I grieve for my marriage. > > I grieve for my children. > > I grieve for the many friends I've lost over the years to wars and drugs > and violence. > > To a certain ext

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Hah Harry Brown was the last candidate. Yes, Gary Johnson, libertarian candidate. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Gary Johnson, I think you mean. And, yeah, I get where you are coming > from. I can't quite get behind him for a variety of reasons. I like > Jill Stein

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
I grieve for my marriage. I grieve for my children. I grieve for the many friends I've lost over the years to wars and drugs and violence. To a certain extent I even grieve for myself and all I lost. Those who knew me before and after They know that something died. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 a

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
Gary Johnson, I think you mean. And, yeah, I get where you are coming from. I can't quite get behind him for a variety of reasons. I like Jill Stein pretty well. I almost voted for her tonight. Probably should have. There are a lot of good things about an Obama administration, in my opinion. And

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LkZRGAyyh_g/TPa_heXvuII/AMk/G5UIzpY_4i0/s1600/ranger-creed1webjpeg_ytxj.jpg These are the ideas by which many of us have tried to live our lives. They are hard rules to live by, they cost more than many people will ever know. I am not a Ranger, but aspiring to b

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Maureen wrote: > > But do please breathe..this is just dialogue. > > I tend to get into political rants to take my mind off the grief. Dreamed > about my guy last night. He held me in his arms all night. Then I woke up > and he's still dead. Never gonna get ov

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
We shouldn't be part of the U.N. Do we enter into unions with the pick pocket and the cut throat? On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > We are part of the UN and we have elections. Republicans say that > election fraud is rampant. I, for one, welcome the election monitors.

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
I'm no Romney supporter. I am solidly and openly supporting Gary Brown as the only rational candidate in the election. Nothing you said argues against what I am saying. Nothing is SUPPORTING another Obama administration, just denying a Romney one. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Judah McAule

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
We are part of the UN and we have elections. Republicans say that election fraud is rampant. I, for one, welcome the election monitors. Fuck Texas. Judah On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:26 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Now we have United Nations monitors coming into this country in greater > numbers than

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
The grief. I cried during a show called Last Resort last night. That's what is driving me. Lest we forget!! https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/207019_1061297010486_5689_n.jpg These were two men I knew. Better men than me. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Do yo

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
The Republicans wanted boots on the ground in Libya. They want to attack Iran. I know you don't agree with me but I still flat out say that the Ashcroft and Gonzalez DOJ's were even worse (and that is saying something). The Republican-controlled House pushed the NDAA. And on and on and on. Basica

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Now we have United Nations monitors coming into this country in greater numbers than ever before. The AG of Texas is saying they will arrest any in his state. Good for him. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:23 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > I don't care about Pakistan or there feelings. They were obviously

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
Do you think any of that will stop with if Romney wins? Likely it will all escalate. He has already suggested arming the Syrian rebels. But do please breathe..this is just dialogue. I tend to get into political rants to take my mind off the grief. Dreamed about my guy last night. He held me in

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
I don't care about Pakistan or there feelings. They were obviously complicit in his hiding and so show their true colors. The prosecution and imprisonment of our sources there show this clearly. We should be able to freely operate across that border. We will never make headway in Afghanistan o

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
BTW, I think the the decision to target Kaddafi was wrong. Helping those rebels was wrong. We were not at war there, and the guys we helped had in many cases just come home from killing Americans in Iraq and shit. Enough is enough. All you people reading this let it start. If you bring back t

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
That was no easy call, Tim. By all accounts, there was no sure deal that they were getting Bin Laden in that raid and given the location of the raid, the raid itself carried high risk. If Obama gives the go on that raid, turns out not to be Bin Laden or Pakistan intercepts the mission and their in

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
I never said Obama ordered the stand down, just that he let that order be sent. But I'm starting to think he had to give that order. You do see how difficult it is to bend over backwards defending a guy you did't even vote for? . On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Maureen wrote: > > That is not

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
Hey Bruce, if you could, would you mind sending me info about who your version of who knew what and when? The only bit about the drone feed I got was from Tim and that was a NY Post article that was pretty sketchy (a single ex-CIA source) and the Post itself is a sketchy outlet. I've seen nothing

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Allow me to give him credit for making an easy call on Bin Laden? Yup, Carter launched Eagle Claw, which was a good idea badly executed. He still wasn't a good or effective President. On Oct 26, 2012 11:59 PM, "Maureen" wrote: > > That is not the point. The point is that people are attacking

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
You knw I'm not saying that. Look, at the time I was all for Iraq, we know now that was based off lies by our political masters. Uniforms don't get to decide to use force. We're just the use of force itself. We suggest differetnt ways to do so effectively. Then the guy behind the desk says wha

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
Maybe you should open your mind and listen to your family member. . On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Thanks Scout. > > I don't worry about Sam. > > I think I continue to engage him because he reminds me a family member, and > I figure if I can convince him, perhaps I have a

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
Dude, don't walk off that ledge. You know she's spinning out of control and has no facts to fall back on. . On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:19 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Ma'am we may not always agree, but I will back you up on this! > > Your ideas and responses are always well reasoned and can be comm

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
That is not the point. The point is that people are attacking Obama for personally giving the order to stand down, and for denying the CIA and Gunships permission to act. He did not. I am not denying that someone in the chain of command gave those orders. I am adamantly challenging the use of

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Bruce Sorge
OK, this is an exercise in futility because it's obvious that unless you have the president himself state that he and others were watching these feeds, you are unwilling to believe it. I am going to bed now as it's midnight here and I have a busy day tomorrow. And I was mistaken, it was not Ric

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
The guys in the room in uniforms made sugestions. The guys in suits argued. The man behind the desk had the final say. On Oct 26, 2012 11:52 PM, "Maureen" wrote: > > Ok, so he knew. Did he give the order as claimed, or did he let the people > closest to the situation make the decisions like a

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
Arty shells with mustard gas was enough to start a multi-year war that has cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars. Glad we had our priorities straight on that one. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:50 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > While only a few, some were found. > > Arty shells with mustard gas

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Those peole act at the descretion of the president. Like a CEO. The buck stops there. On Oct 26, 2012 11:50 PM, "Maureen" wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > > > > Come on Maureen, you are an intelligent woman. > > > > It's been well reported the last day or so

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
Ok, so he knew. Did he give the order as claimed, or did he let the people closest to the situation make the decisions like a good commander would? And if they made those decisions, why? On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:36 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > He knew. The video and other source collection sta

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
While only a few, some were found. Arty shells with mustard gas I think. That's open source, but you have to spend time looking for it. The MSM certainly doesn't mention it. On Oct 26, 2012 11:17 PM, "Dana" wrote: > > like Sam every thought outside his own boxes ever in his life. You still >

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > Come on Maureen, you are an intelligent woman. > > It's been well reported the last day or so that there were Predators and > other ISR assets overhead Benghazi after the attacks occurred. The feeds > are sent to the situation rooms where t

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
All that and more. It was well known before hand that something was coming. Additional assets were requested and denied. No GS guy is going to make that call. Shit rolls down hill, but decisions take appoined and elected people in the room, on Air Force One or Marine One, or the back of the th

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Please take our word. There are now two deceorated combat infantryman in this thread saying the same thing. We have conducted multiple ground operations in denied areas under similar situations. I have personally been under fire, with weaons systems going down, and no air available with out an

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Bruce Sorge
Come on Maureen, you are an intelligent woman. It's been well reported the last day or so that there were Predators and other ISR assets overhead Benghazi after the attacks occurred. The feeds are sent to the situation rooms where the president, secdef, secretary of state, CJCS and other high

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
Thanks Scout. I don't worry about Sam. I think I continue to engage him because he reminds me a family member, and I figure if I can convince him, perhaps I have a chance with the family guy. LOL..either way. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:19 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Ma'am we may not always agree

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Ma'am we may not always agree, but I will back you up on this! Your ideas and responses are always well reasoned and can be communicated and sourced. Don't worry about Sam. On Oct 26, 2012 11:11 PM, "Maureen" wrote: > > No, I don't. I actually voted for some Republicans on the local level in

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
Who saw it live? Who told the CIA operatives that they could not go over and help, and why?A "former" CIA agent is making allegations. Why is he "former"? Maybe he screwed up. Do you know the answers to those questions? If not, I would say an investigation is in order and this entire inci

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Dana
like Sam every thought outside his own boxes ever in his life. You still claiming there were WMD in Iraq Sam? Actually never mind, it's not worth unblocking you to hear you confirm that. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Maureen wrote: > > No, I don't. I actually voted for some Republicans on t

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
No, I don't. I actually voted for some Republicans on the local level in this election. What I attack are lies, spin, distortions and nonsense from either side, and I've been as blunt about pointing it out to those on the left on this list as I have to you and the others on the right. The fact

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Bruce Sorge
When you have a drone overhead sending LIVE video, and you have CIA operatives asking if they can go over and help, and after several hours of watching these LIVE feeds and fielding requests for help, you don't need "boots on the ground". Oh wait, actually there were boots on the ground by wa

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
The first step is acknowledging you have a problem, just because you didn't vote for Obama doesn't mean you're not a bot. Try not to be offended by that, I mean that you will always attack any Republican that runs against a dem no matter what and you will fall back on your social issues litmus tes

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
Who cares? The British still love us even though France is our #1 ally . On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > > These people are going to hate us for decades, maybe longer. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
This is what you came back for? Hit and run attacks? I was hoping you took the time to grow. . On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Dana wrote: > > more allegations of black and white thinking and from one of the worst > offenders himself. Gah. > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Maureen wrote:

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
And I will repeat what I told Sam a few days back. I am perfectly capable of pointing out the errors and nonsense in the accusations against any candidate without being a Bot for their opposition. My issue with the entire Libya incident is people who had no boots on the ground yet called for att

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Profiling is awesome when your guy does it. What was the saying for years? We don't trust Bush doing it but have no problem trusting a democrat." It's even more informative when you consider that Bush's dronings targeted high profile individuals while Obama uses generic profiling. President Oba

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Dana
more allegations of black and white thinking and from one of the worst offenders himself. Gah. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Maureen wrote: > > What makes you think I do or ever did. My sole vote for him was more a > vote against McCain, or more specifically, against Palin. > > I certainly

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"What makes you think I do or ever did. My sole vote for him was more a vote against McCain, or more specifically, against Palin." Just a generalization for those who are Obomabots. It wasn't aimed at you specifically, but was motivated by your comments. J - I am for a government rigorously

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
What makes you think I do or ever did. My sole vote for him was more a vote against McCain, or more specifically, against Palin. I certainly didn't vote for him this time. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Yeah, because it is always a good idea to kill people rather th

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
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Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Yup, these guys don't realize just how granular control of certain kinds of military operations are. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > Actually Eric, for the commander of AFRICOM would have to have permission > to deploy any of his units that are under his command if not

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
vensconsulting.com > tel: 630-486-5255 > fax: 630-310-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:28 PM > To: cf-community &

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Bruce Sorge
Actually Eric, for the commander of AFRICOM would have to have permission to deploy any of his units that are under his command if not already in the immediate vicinity. Had their been units in Libya then the ground commander would have the authority to call his units to help. Since the nearest

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Eric Roberts
://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:28 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. Looks like CIA threw Obama under the bus. CIA spokesperson

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
--- > > -Original Message- > From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:20 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. > > > I said he did not give t

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Eric Roberts
ritic...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:23 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. "Yeah, because it is always a good idea to kill people rather than seek justice. Innocent until proven guilty don't count if someone can make p

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Look, the president has defense and intelligence aids that travel with him every where he goes. As soon as the attack started and the word came back (it raged for over 6 hours) the president was notified. At that point they had people on the ground sending back information and a drone in the air

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Eric Roberts
: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:20 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. I said he did not give the order to stand down, nor did he give the order to not deploy the gun-ship. Those orders were made further down the food chain. Anything else you think I

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Not all of them, but this admin likes to micromanage way more than Bush did. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > Do you know the role of the Commander and Chief of the Armed Forced? > > Or are you claiming a low level fiel

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread LRS Scout
Actually we do just that for large periods of time. When you are the Division Ready Force, or QRF or in a unit like SETAF you are on 1 hour recall with wheels up in a matter of hours. So yeah.. Guys from SETAF could have been on the ground while the fighting was still going on. Go look it

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
Profiling is awesome when your guy does it. What was the saying for years? We don't trust Bush doing it but have no problem trusting a democrat. . On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Yeah, because it is always a good idea to kill people rather than seek > justice. Innocen

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
Looks like CIA threw Obama under the bus. CIA spokesperson Jennifer Youngblood said, “We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Yeah, because it is always a good idea to kill people rather than seek justice. Innocent until proven guilty don't count if someone can make political hay by ignoring it." Tread lightly on the subject if you're a lefty and love Obama. Dude is droning weddings and funerals. Then there is the i

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
I said he did not give the order to stand down, nor did he give the order to not deploy the gun-ship. Those orders were made further down the food chain. Anything else you think I said is a product of your imagination..the usual spin and nonsense you throw into any conversation. As for where th

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
So cute, and predictable, when you folks realize how silly your argument is. . On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Maureen wrote: > > More than they already are? Not possible. > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> >> Ssh...you will conf

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
According to Obama he makes all the drone "kill" decisions. Why do you ask? Do you think Leon Panetta didn't think and American Embassy attack was worth mentioning to his boss? . On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Do you k

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Show me one thing that is wrong in what I posted. And I never said the guy > in the field made the call, I said his commanders did. You have yet to > prove those commanders talked to the President..and you never will prove it. So you know the

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
More than they already are? Not possible. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Ssh...you will confuse them > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazo

RE: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Eric Roberts
: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again. Apparently only those orders who make the President look bad, because I distinctly remember the argument that the President shouldn&#

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
Apparently only those orders who make the President look bad, because I distinctly remember the argument that the President shouldn't receive credit for the kills of Osama or Kaddafi because he "didn't give the orders". On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > Do you think th

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Sam wrote: > > Do you know the role of the Commander and Chief of the Armed Forced? > Or are you claiming a low level field officer made the call to let the > the first Ambassador since Carter had that title get murdered ? > Do you think the President makes every

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
Show me one thing that is wrong in what I posted. And I never said the guy in the field made the call, I said his commanders did. You have yet to prove those commanders talked to the President..and you never will prove it. The stand down order should have come from either Sec. Defense or Sec. S

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The president was not at a campaign stop during the events in Bengazi. For > most of the day he was speaking at various 9/11 commemorative events. > He stupidly went to a campaign event in Vegas the following day, but did > not leave Washingto

Re: GOP caught lying about Benghazi attack. Caught again.

2012-10-26 Thread Maureen
The president was not at a campaign stop during the events in Bengazi. For most of the day he was speaking at various 9/11 commemorative events. He stupidly went to a campaign event in Vegas the following day, but did not leave Washington until 2:25pm on September 12. Any one here who served in

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