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i am looking for werk outside the design/dev field.
if any one has any fun ideas let me know.
right now i could volunteer at a public radio station or get a job as
a bottler at a brewery
i am looking for werk outside the design/dev field.
if any one has any fun ideas let me know.
right now i could volunteer at a public radio station or get a job as
a bottler at a brewery.
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More like plenty of jobs welfare recipients won't work. That's a problem with
welfare.
>Nope, that's why the illegals are here in the first place; plenty of open
>jobs.
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The most significant
> Russ wrote:
> If the illegals were not working them, then who would? Probably the poor.
Nope, that's why the illegals are here in the first place; plenty of open jobs.
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'cause it's an easy hot-button issue. It's an easy way to ding your
opponent when it is discovered that his nanny is an undocumented
alien.
illegals are comin' over the border and bein' a conduit for terrorism.
A good friend of mine's wife is down in AZ right now on border partrol
with the WA Nat
So if most do come to this country legally, then way all the hub-bub
about those breaking the law? If they are criminals treat them as
such. If the current legal immigration system is faulty fix it, but how
broken can it be if most immigrants are using it legally and successfully?
William Bo
"So they, like my most of my family (the rest was native), did it all
legally. Why shouldn't I expect current immigrants to do it legally?"
What about the descendants of those that did not do it legally? Not
everybody who arrived in the US in the latter half of the 19th century
did so according
Fact is, most do.
> So they, like my most of my family (the rest was native), did it all legally.
> Why
> shouldn't I expect current immigrants to do it legally?
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will
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and that would just be unacceptable."
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So they, like my most of my family (the rest was native), did it all legally.
Why shouldn't I expect current immigrants to do it legally?
>> BTW, how did your family arrive here in the US, did they follow the law?
>
>There are four major branches in my family tree, one (Bowens) arrived
>in the C
I just re-read -- ya. In a thread about illegal aliens, he said He knew five
Mexican programmers and hired one. That was what I found so unbelievable --
illegal programmers. People who hire programmers are (generally) big enough to
have something to lose in an ICE raid. Of course HR caught the l
if he is a resident alien he is not illegal. If you don't realize that
you should not be commenting on immigration issues at all.
Dana
You may have read some previous posts too fast Dana. He said exactly
that, he hired the one with the proper paper work and reported the OTHER
three that apparent
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From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Invasion USA - 2007 Or Illegal Aliens are NOT the Same as
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um, if he is a resident alien he is not illegal. If you don't realize that
you should not be commentin
um, if he is a resident alien he is not illegal. If you don't realize that you
should not be commenting on immigration issues at all.
Dana
> If you can't bother to read what I write, don't quote me.
>
> I hired a mexican programmer who was a resident alien, married to a
> citizen with a work
> BTW, how did your family arrive here in the US, did they follow the law?
There are four major branches in my family tree, one (Bowens) arrived
in the Carolinas in the 1680s, part of some charter or another. The
Hambeckens arrived in the 1850s from Germany settled in Arkansas.
The Wilson/O'Conne
Because even if they are crappy, they are jobs in the US.
If the illegals were not working them, then who would? Probably the poor. I
know in Louisiana if you work as an iterant farm hand there is free housing and
education assistance. There is also cheap or free transportation between
regi
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> Scott wrote:
> Would we be better
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From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:09 PM
To: CF-Community
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> Scott wrote:
> Would we be better served by doing what we could to help grow the Mexican
> economy, thus creating more jobs in Mexico..
>
Not that I care, but why are people so concerned about Mexicans? In
general, as Russ pointed out, they're doing mostly unskilled labor;
illegally maybe, but
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>From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:00 PM
>To: CF-Community
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>My last post on this topic, I have too much work to do to keep myself
>completive in the current job market to spend more time on this.
>
>"Actually I think the solution is to overthrow the current Mexican
>political system and replace it. However, that is the job of the
>Mexicans, not me."
>
It
: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:00 PM
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Actually, I can think of one, the Republic of Texas. They also got smart
and decided to secede as well. Conversely, Puerto
Actually, I can think of one, the Republic of Texas. They also got smart and
decided to secede as well. Conversely, Puerto Rico has done everything in it's
power not to become a state. Anti-statehood runs heavily down there, at least
amongst the funeral home workers I knew and dealt with.
> Nick wrote:
> Working.
> >> where are all the Americans?
> >
For foreign HBS grads.
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> What is Puerto Rico's status don't they keep
> trying to become an actual State?
They are currently commonwealth (upgraded from a US Protectorate).
They get US taxpayer benefits (e.g., welfare, food stamps, etc.) but
do not pay US taxes.
And no, the majority do not want to become a state...go
Great just what we need another "regime change". Has a country ever
voted to be annexed? What is Puerto Rico's status don't they keep
trying to become an actual State?
> Actually I think the solution is to overthrow the current mexican political
> system and replace it. However, that is the j
My last post on this topic, I have too much work to do to keep myself
completive in the current job market to spend more time on this.
"Actually I think the solution is to overthrow the current Mexican
political system and replace it. However, that is the job of the
Mexicans, not me."
And what d
Actually I think the solution is to overthrow the current mexican political
system and replace it. However, that is the job of the mexicans, not me.
>"Illegal immigration is a problem."
>A very complex one! The "gather them all up and deport|jail|shoot them"
>approach is not even the start of a
If you can't bother to read what I write, don't quote me.
I hired a mexican programmer who was a resident alien, married to a citizen
with a work permit. It was not an H1B visa, but he had a computer science
degree. I sent the illegals packing and reported them to INS
> And this condemnatio
No, I interviewed programmers without papers. I hired one of the two that had
papers. I reported the illegals to INS or ICE or whatever they call themselves
now. I made an offer to one of the illegals, but he could not produce proper
documentation so I made an offer to the next candidate.
I
It was more a Cousin Tom, or is that Tomas, situation. I advertised our
contact at the Hispanic Chamber said his cousin needed a job and that he had
some friends who were also qualified. He sent me all of thier resumes and we
interviewed them.
I will say that the three illegals spoke excellen
Working.
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> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> And go look in top university grad school programs. You'll ask
> yourself one question: where are all the Americans?
>
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> gg wrote:
> Essentially immigration should only be limited by the number of open
> jobs and university spots.
>
And go look in top university grad school programs. You'll ask
yourself one question: where are all the Americans?
~~~
> WillBo wrote:
> > Remember the quota of H1B visa applications was reached in a single day
> > this year.
>
> The number of H1B visas was severly curtailed as a direct result of
> 9/11.
As for the "lock up our jobs" argument, it's a formula for how to ruin
our leadership in the world - basically
> Remember the quota of H1B visa applications was reached in a single day this
> year.
The number of H1B visas was severly curtailed as a direct result of
9/11. Los Administracion Del Bush is directly responsible for that.
It was not, I say again, NOT a response to illegal immigration. It was
bl
> What is to stop a programmer from crossing the border illegally?
See, now the image I get is some white collar dude in a pick-up
pulling up to a street corner in New York City shouting, "javascreept,
perrrl, say ploos ploos, nada mas!"
heehee
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will
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t: Re: Invasion USA - 2007 Or Illegal Aliens are NOT the Same as
Immigrants)
Illegal is illegal.
They came as students and were fradulently still here. They obviously
have no respect for the law, they broke it to stay here.
What is to stop a programmer from crossing the border ille
And this condemnation of illegal aliens comes, mind you, from someone who
claims to have hired one.
>"They think they are special in some way." Or that many are people
>facing hard choices and doing what they can to better their lives and
>their descendants.
Sorry. This story is so far from my experience as a foreigner in this country
that I simply cannot believe it. You hired a programmer who had no papers? Why?
> Then don't.
>
> Like I said, _I_ know 5. All had UNAM diplomas in Computer Science.
> Only 2 had resident alien paperwork; 1 H1B an
> Russ wrote:
> I'm asking what if it were skilled laborers coming across in droves?
We don't need people to come here in droves, especially developers,
because we can just send those jobs offshore. And are. Without
regulation.
Here's the dilio: keep your skill set up to date, and watch trends,
"Illegal immigration is a problem."
A very complex one! The "gather them all up and deport|jail|shoot them"
approach is not even the start of a solution.
"They may be hard workers, but they have no respect for the law."
That is too large a logical leap for me. They broke emigration law,
they ca
Then don't.
Like I said, _I_ know 5. All had UNAM diplomas in Computer Science. Only 2
had resident alien paperwork; 1 H1B and one was being sponsored for
citizenship. The others had expired student visas. These may be the only 5
mexican programmers in the US, but I interviewed them and h
I don't believe it.
> What do you mean? You don't see them, or you think they are crazy? I
> guess you have to work for a company that was a member of the Hispanic
> Chamber of Commerce.
>
> > I keep hearing stuff like this and thinking ... these Mexicans do
> not
> > inhabit the same real
Really, universities and tech schools in Latin America don't teach programming?
>You are talking about a skill set that doesn't exist in these countries.
>
Remember the quota of H1B visa applications was reached in a single day this
year.
>They those types of people existed and wanted to come h
Illegal is illegal.
They came as students and were fradulently still here. They obviously have no
respect for the law, they broke it to stay here.
What is to stop a programmer from crossing the border illegally?
>This is a little different also. People that came to school here had to go
>t
What do you mean? You don't see them, or you think they are crazy? I guess
you have to work for a company that was a member of the Hispanic Chamber of
Commerce.
> I keep hearing stuff like this and thinking ... these Mexicans do not
> inhabit the same reality that I do.
>
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2 are, but they are here legally. The others, I have no idea. I wouldn't hire
them and called INS when they approached me for a job in 2003. I know the left
New Orleans, but don't know for where.
>Are they paying taxes?
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This is a little different also. People that came to school here had to go
through a process and were allowed to come in. That is different than a van
filled with 23 programmers sneaking across the border in the middle of the
night.
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Are they paying taxes?
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> From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:25 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Invasion USA - 2007 Or Illegal Aliens are NOT the Same as
> Immigrants)
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> Would they?
>
> I
ssel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:23 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Invasion USA - 2007 Or Illegal Aliens are NOT the Same as
> Immigrants)
>
> I'm asking what if it were skilled laborers coming across in droves?
> Like what happened in
I keep hearing stuff like this and thinking ... these Mexicans do not inhabit
the same reality that I do.
> Would they?
>
> I know 5 Mexican programmers who left Mexico after graduating from
> UMAN to take jobs here in the US because they had no decent jobs there.
> Three are here on expir
Would they?
I know 5 Mexican programmers who left Mexico after graduating from UMAN to take
jobs here in the US because they had no decent jobs there. Three are here on
expired student visas.
>If they were programmers then they still be in their home country and we'd
>be outsourcing to them
I'm asking what if it were skilled laborers coming across in droves? Like what
happened in Miami when Batista fell. Programmers don't require licenses. They
just need to present proof of skills.
Doctors and lawyers and other licensed skills are different, but what about
those unlicensed skil
If they were programmers then they still be in their home country and we'd
be outsourcing to them also.
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> From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Step out from behind your sense of superiority and think about illigal
> immigration. What would have happened
> What would have happened to us if all of these illegals were
> programmers instead of construction and agricultural workers?
Are you serious?
I mean really.
you're seriously asking us to consider this from the angle of skilled
vs unskilled labor?
Your argument won't hold up past the first bar
Step out from behind your sense of superiority and think about illigal
immigration. What would have happened to us if all of these illegals were
programmers instead of construction and agricultural workers?
>"Have we had enough of the B.S. yet?"
>
>Yup, and this article is right on top of the p
"Have we had enough of the B.S. yet?"
Yup, and this article is right on top of the pile. It didn't take three
paragraphs before this author was contradicting himself. I started to
point out the details, but <<>> I can't bring myself to go to the
trouble.
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