and he had enough that he passed out.
Todd
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From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:06 PM
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>
> > Thanks that's good data. I stand corrected.
> >
> > larry
>
>
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> Thanks that's good data. I stand corrected.
>
> larry
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Thanks that's good data. I stand corrected.
larry
At 04:47 PM 4/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > Todd,
> >
> > Infants do not have a fully developed nervous system. For instance,
> > mylinization, how the major nerves and nerve pathways become electrically
> > insulated, isn't complete until after 18
In grad school about 10 years ago. I was very fortunate to be able to take
a grad seminar in neuropsych from Karl Pribram. He spent several sessions
on this topic alone. I can try to dig up my class notes if you want. It has
all the full cites etc.
larry
At 03:54 PM 4/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>
just an "oh by the way" -
yes, I'm Jewish.
yes, I was.
did it hurt?
I don't remember.
-Ben
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:48 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Not getting
That reminds me of the old Monty Python "World's funniest joke" bit...
Howie
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From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: RE:
> Todd,
>
> Infants do not have a fully developed nervous system. For instance,
> mylinization, how the major nerves and nerve pathways become electrically
> insulated, isn't complete until after 18 on the average.
"Lack of myelination has been proposed as an index of the lack of maturity
in the
> Todd,
>
> Infants do not have a fully developed nervous system. For instance,
> mylinization, how the major nerves and nerve pathways become electrically
> insulated, isn't complete until after 18 on the average. Moreover pain
> perception is also a matter of experience and interpretation. so if
At 01:39 PM 4/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>I also don't believe this. Doctors used to think babies didn't feel pain at
>all. This is thinking had doctors even performing open heart surgery on
>babies without anesthetic. Now they know that babies have a fully developed
>nervouse system that functions
Too Much Information
-Original Message-
From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
LOLOL! Well, I don't know, but it sounded good!
and what does TMI
> From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:49 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>
>
> LOLOL! Well, I don't know, but it sounded
makes a Freudian slip:
>>|"Foreskin and seven years ago our Forefathers..."
>>|
>>|-Ben
>>|
>>|
>>|> -Original Message-
>>|> From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>|> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:08 AM
>
Forgive me while I giggle uncontrollably :)
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From: "Erika L. Walker-Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:07 PM
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> >Well, since everyone is always asking for some documentation ... Hours of
> >reading enjoyment :)
> >
> >http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/
> "The evidence that neonates feel pain and suffer as much or more than do
older children and adults is conclusive and generally accepted today"
> I agree.
lker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:08 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>
>
> see Benny, see what you started!
>
> Erika
>
>Well, since everyone is always asking for some documentation ... Hours of
>reading enjoyment :)
>
>http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/
"The evidence that neonates feel pain and suffer as much or more than do older
children and adults is conclusive and generally accepted today"
I agree. My older ch
gt;>|To: CF-Community
>>|Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>>|
>>|
>>|>> >This is the one I don't believe. Put someone in the cold
>>|and then slice
>>|>off
>>|>> >the skin on the tips of their fingers and
> >You're not suggesting that babies don't feel pain like adults do, are
you?
> I'm saying that All pain is the same to them as their nervous system has
no ability to distinguish at the time (8 days old in Judaism). As a side
note, my family was once a foster family and had a child that was
circum
>> >This is the one I don't believe. Put someone in the cold and then slice
>off
>> >the skin on the tips of their fingers and see which they are more upset
>> >about.
>> We're talking about a baby here, not an adult. If you were present to hear
>the baby cry you'd probably agree with me.
>
>You'
> >> I have 2 sons. My brother has 3. My relatives have many. This means
that
> >I've been to a number of circumcisions and know quite a bit first hand.
> >> 1. The person doing the job is an expert. I remember one Bris
(literally
> >covenant, what a circumcision is in Judaism) where the father wa
>> >I honestly do not know how to respond to this!
>> >
>> >Mikey, help!!
>> >
>> >-Ben
>> >
>> >
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> >> Sent:
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From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:56 PM
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> I have 2 sons. My brother has 3. My relati
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
> I have 2 sons. My brother has 3. My relatives have m
ounces of smooth dry red wine has me feeling
no pain.
At 12:47 PM 4/2/02, you wrote:
>Wine?
>
>Todd
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, April
Good.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:58 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>
>
> I'm not touching that one. ;)
>
> At 1
ent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:42 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Erika L. Walker-Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Communit
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>> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:35 AM
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>>
>>
>> Ahh, but see, now you are going to open up the whole
>> circumcision debate ...
>> does that not hu
Does wine count?
One, one year of aging in the bottle
Two, two years of aging in the bottle...
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:48 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (R
lol .. wonder if that would work as a pickup line?
Todd
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To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_
Wine?
Todd
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
> >> Ahh, but se
Maybe that's why the boy babies have a lifelong desire for someone to kiss
it and make it better.
-Original Message-
> From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:42 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re:
>> Ahh, but see, now you are going to open up the whole circumcision debate
>..
>> does that not hurt a small baby, or in some cultures, teenagers?
>
>Especially since they don't use any anesthetic on the baby ...
Does wine count?
_
Eri*K*a,
I honestly do not know how to respond to this!
Mikey, help!!
-Ben
> -Original Message-
> From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:35 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: Th
- Original Message -
From: "Erika L. Walker-Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
> Ahh, but see, now you are going to op
Yeah Ben .. and aren't you .. um .. Jewish? ;)
Todd
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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:35 PM
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gt;
>-Ben
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:16 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>>
>>
>> Both. :
>Todd
>
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>From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:33 PM
>Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>
>
>> Actually,
At 12:28 PM 4/2/02, you wrote:
>Wait a second ... did you just say that you are required to please Judith
>(sexually), by your religion?
>(Not that I'm interested in that detail ...) :)
Yes. I can point you to the source material if you want. It's also in the marriage
document (I believe).
>Bu
TECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:29 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>
>
> Wait a second ... did you just say that you are required to
> please Judith
> (sexually), by your religion?
> (Not that I'm intere
t;>|> -Original Message-
>>|> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>|> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:34 AM
>>|> To: CF-Community
>>|> Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>>|>
>>|>
>>
"Gort: Klaatu Barata Niktu."
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:33 AM
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>
>
> I think you do s
;
> Jerry Johnson
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/02 12:12PM >>>
> But what if that clitorectomy is part of ther religion?
>
> Todd
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Communit
Wait a second ... did you just say that you are required to please Judith
(sexually), by your religion?
(Not that I'm interested in that detail ...) :)
But that's, why that's, so weird! Conjugal rights to the women? Not that
there's anything wrong with it, it's just so, modern!
:) You go Judit
sible" -
>> >
>> >were you referring to women in the Middle East withholding marital
>> >relations, or to Ben being serious??
>> >
>> >-Ben
>> >
>> >
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Braver, Be
>>|- Original Message -
>>|From: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>|
>>|E.g. the African cultures that practice ritual mutilation
>>|> (clitorectomies) - so not only do ya gotta do it, you can't enjoy it.
Can I just say, "OUCH!"
Erika
(with a *K*)
"Life... is like a grapefruit. I
So .. kind of like circumcision in the U.S. Interesting.
Todd
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From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:33 PM
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;
But what if that clitorectomy is part of ther religion?
Todd
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From: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
:-)
-Ben
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:16 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>
>
> Both. :)
>
> At 12:04 PM 4/2/02, you wrote:
>
se. E.g. the African cultures that practice ritual mutilation
>(clitorectomies) - so not only do ya gotta do it, you can't enjoy it.
>
>-Ben
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:56 AM
&g
But what if that clitorectomy is part of ther religion?
Todd
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From: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They in
Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:02 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>>
>>
>> you have seen (rare) examples of it
>> but usually not -
>> job descr
ommunity
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>
>
> you have seen (rare) examples of it
> but usually not -
> job description of "court jester" on list
> precludes doing it very often
> ;-)
>
> > -Original Message
ity
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>
>
> Yep, I was. If it was possible I'd be all for it.
>
> At 11:49 AM 4/2/02, you wrote:
> >Mikey-
> >
> >you're assuming I was serious
> >;-)
> >
> >-Ben
> >
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>
> This reminds of the 20/20 (I think it was 20/20, the one w/ Barbara
> Walters) special on the women of Saudi Arabia last wee
now something like that might actually work !!
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Sent: 02 April 2002 18:01
To: CF-Community
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Yep, I was. If it was possible I'd be all for it.
At 11:
Yep, I was. If it was possible I'd be all for it.
At 11:49 AM 4/2/02, you wrote:
>Mikey-
>
>you're assuming I was serious
>;-)
>
>-Ben
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:51 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject:
This reminds of the 20/20 (I think it was 20/20, the one w/ Barbara
Walters) special on the women of Saudi Arabia last week. They were
asking about the whole 'stoning' thing. I have to admit - I was
sickened. They said, essentially "Oh, its VERY hard to be caught
cheating on your husband, and you
Mikey-
you're assuming I was serious
;-)
-Ben
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:51 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
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>
> Your assuming that women in the middle
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