t really in favor of
either group, but they are not terrorists.
Dana
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From: Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:23:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Howie Hamlin wrote:
> My o
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Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or
an organized group against people or property with the intention of
intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for
ideological
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Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Howie Hamlin wrote:
> My opinion is that trials should be reserved for non-terrorists.
But who gets to determine who is a terrorist?
Recently a political activist that had thrown ketchup at a politician
was charged
Personally I think that should be an either or, not an -and-
situation... in other words -- either 1) incapacitate them with gas or
2) storm them and show them no mercy, not 1) incapacitate them with
gas and 2) storm and kill them while they're defenseless.
Though you know, if I were in charge of
> Angel Stewart wrote:
>> At least in your country he was given a trial and it went
>> to a Judge to
>> make that determination.
>>
>> In this case though there's no doubt that the individuals
>> fall under the
>> heading of Terrorists.
> So at the next school the terrorists just take a few extra
ng to
the effects of the gas which caught everyone by surprise.
Your mileage may vary.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
Angel Stewart wrote:
>
&
> S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
>> Why is it you'd rather these people not get a trial? ...
>> It seems like
>> these are conditions in which no jury would ever allow
>> them to slide,
>> so ... it doesn't seem as though the jury system would
>> fail in these
>> cases.
> Are you implying that a jury that
Angel Stewart wrote:
>
> I'm not getting the point you're trying to make.
>
> Let me reiterate
> In this case there is no doubt that the individuals who took those
> people hostages are classified as terrorists.
You read the part about unconscious people lying on the floor of a theatre being
Howie Hamlin wrote:
> I meant the people that:
>
> Forcefully take over the Japanese embassy
> Take over an entire theatre of innocent people
> Take over a school full of children with automatic weapons and bombs
> Hijack an airplane
> Hijack a cruise ship and start tossing people overboard
>
> I
Or hte terrorists could give the guns to the hostages and dress
themselves as civilians??
Or the terrorists could have their faces painted red...and then quickly
wash their faces and paint those of the civilians red whent he troops
storm??
I'm not getting the point you're trying to make.
S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> Why is it you'd rather these people not get a trial? ... It seems like
> these are conditions in which no jury would ever allow them to slide,
> so ... it doesn't seem as though the jury system would fail in these
> cases.
Are you implying that a jury that does something e
G wrote:
> The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or
> an organized group against people or property with the intention of
> intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for
> ideological or political reasons.
>
> There is some wiggle room in that defini
Angel Stewart wrote:
> At least in your country he was given a trial and it went to a Judge to
> make that determination.
>
> In this case though there's no doubt that the individuals fall under the
> heading of Terrorists.
So at the next school the terrorists just take a few extra camouflage sui
Just been watching BBC news.Apparently there are over 600 people being
treated for injuries.There is talk that at least 10 of the terrorists
were Arabic.
Speculation is that Al Qaeda or Arab terrorist organisations have joined
with Chechyen rebels to further their cause. In the same way that th
Nor was I.
Michael T. Tangorre
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:59 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Russia vs Terrorism
> > I'd rather they not have been killed while they're out
> > I'd rather they not have been killed while they're out
> > cold... If
> it's
> > reasonable to think the threat is over and you can
> > cuff and remove
> > them, at that point I think any margin of error is too
> > much to kill
> > them while they're defenseless.
> Defenseless...
>>I think Kevin's right, this would make most peaceful
>>demonstrators
>>terrorists. I think this is possibly the worst definition
>>such a thing
>>could ever be given. Drop the "fluff" in this description
>>and you have
>>"the threat of unlawful force against people or property".
>>So someone
>>co
> I'd rather they not have been killed while they're out cold... If
it's
> reasonable to think the threat is over and you can cuff and remove
> them, at that point I think any margin of error is too much to kill
> them while they're defenseless.
Defenseless... all the people in that scho
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> From: S. Isaac Dealey
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
> > The unlawful use or threatened use of force or
> > violence by
> > a person or an organized group aga
> From: S. Isaac Dealey
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
> Why is it you'd rather these people not get a trial? ...
> It seems like
> these are conditions in which no jury would ever allow
>
> My opinion is that trials should be reserved for
> non-terrorists.
> - Original Message -
> From: John Stanley
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:02 AM
> Subject: RE: Russia vs Terrorism
> better than a trial? i would say yes
>I think Kevin's right, this would make most peaceful demonstrators
>terrorists. I think this is possibly the worst definition such a thing
>could ever be given. Drop the "fluff" in this description and you have
>"the threat of unlawful force against people or property". So someone
>could become a
How would that make a peaceful protester a terrorist?
The definition says FORCE and VIOLENCE.neither of which would be used by a "peaceful" protestor.
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From: S. Isaac Dealey
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Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject:
r ketchup tossing as terrorism.
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From: Jerry Johnson
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Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
So by your definition, you would agree throwing ketchup on a politician is terrorism.
Jerry Johnson
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To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
Howie Hamlin wrote:
> My opinion is that trials should be reserved for non-terrorists.
But who gets to determine who is a terrorist?
Recently a political activist that ha
> The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by
> a person or an organized group against people or property
> with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies
> or governments, often for ideological or political
> reasons.
> There is some wiggle room in that definition, but i
nd start tossing people overboard
> I think there's a distinction.
> - Original Message -
> From: Jochem van Dieten
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
> Howie Hamlin wrot
nd start tossing people overboard
> I think there's a distinction.
> - Original Message -
> From: Jochem van Dieten
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
> Howie Hamlin wrot
I think there's a distinction.
> - Original Message -
> From: Jochem van Dieten
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
> Howie Hamlin wrote:
> > My opinion is that trials should be reserved fo
By that definition half of the activists in NY would be dead.
-Kevin
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:28:48 -0500, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercin
At least in your country he was given a trial and it went to a Judge to
make that determination.
In this case though there's no doubt that the individuals fall under the
heading of Terrorists.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten
But who gets to determine who is a terror
ction.
- Original Message -
From: Jochem van Dieten
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
Howie Hamlin wrote:
> My opinion is that trials should be reserved for non-terrorists.
But who gets to determine who is a t
clear cut enough that you can make a legal distinction between terrorists and non terrorists.
- Original Message -
From: Jochem van Dieten
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
Howie Hamlin wrote:
> My opinion is t
Howie Hamlin wrote:
> My opinion is that trials should be reserved for non-terrorists.
But who gets to determine who is a terrorist?
Recently a political activist that had thrown ketchup at a politician was charged with terrorism here. The judge didn't agree, but I find that scary enough.
Jochem
My opinion is that trials should be reserved for non-terrorists.
- Original Message -
From: John Stanley
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Russia vs Terrorism
better than a trial? i would say yes, but that's just me.
-Ori
yeah, i figuired it was only a matter of time b4 that happened.
-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:00 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Russia vs Terrorism
I think they were all killed. I was just waiting for them to go in
better than a trial? i would say yes, but that's just me.
-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:54 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
Some of the terrorists were out cold when the Russian soldiers entere
I think they were all killed. I was just waiting for them to go in
actually, I thought they took a while this time.
The problems with a communist/former communist country. That non lethal
gas wouldn't have been a problem if they had released the details to the
medical crews and told them how to
thanks
-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:58 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Russia vs Terrorism
All the terrorists in that incident were killed.
larry
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:50:56 -0400, John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTEC
All the terrorists in that incident were killed.
larry
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:50:56 -0400, John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Man, they just go right in there dont they. They're like, "Okay mister
> you're holding the school but were coming in and non of you terrorists are
> coming out alive
Some of the terrorists were out cold when the Russian soldiers entered the theatre and were summarily executed (bullet to the head).
- Original Message -
From: John Stanley
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:50 AM
Subject: Russia vs Terrorism
Man, they just
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