only if you're playing golf video
On 6/19/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it a handicap, then? ;-)
>
> On 6/19/07, Dana Tierney wrote:
> >
> > wait a minute .. slow connection speed is a problem (we hear from the
> > people in Pecos all the time) but it's not a disbility ;>
> >
> >
>
>
Is it a handicap, then? ;-)
On 6/19/07, Dana Tierney wrote:
>
> wait a minute .. slow connection speed is a problem (we hear from the
> people in Pecos all the time) but it's not a disbility ;>
>
>
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On 6/18/07, Greg Morphis wrote:
>
> I think thats the way it looks from outside Windows, yeah.. take a
> look at Dave's posts.. everytime MS screws up, it's plastered
> everywhere..
> Anyways.. I don't agree with all that's said but there are a few good
> points.
> And, do I know you?
> GM
If Dav
wait a minute .. slow connection speed is a problem (we hear from the people in
Pecos all the time) but it's not a disbility ;>
>On 6/18/07, Dana wrote:
>>
>> js is a problem? Then blackboard is going to be an issue, right?
>
>
>It depends on the kind of disability. This is the interweb, ya kno
On 6/18/07, Dana wrote:
>
> js is a problem? Then blackboard is going to be an issue, right?
It depends on the kind of disability. This is the interweb, ya know?
Disabled could be no JS, or no vision, or no mouse... slow connection speed,
bad connectivity, no connectivity...
Yeah... seriousl
I think thats the way it looks from outside Windows, yeah.. take a
look at Dave's posts.. everytime MS screws up, it's plastered
everywhere..
Anyways.. I don't agree with all that's said but there are a few good points.
And, do I know you?
GM
On 6/18/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/18
js is a problem? Then blackboard is going to be an issue, right?
On 6/18/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I decided to make even my intranet apps as "accessible" as possible,
> and not just because I like my keyboard.
>
> Besides the obvious "no pictures, large font,high contrast" settin
So I decided to make even my intranet apps as "accessible" as possible,
and not just because I like my keyboard.
Besides the obvious "no pictures, large font,high contrast" settings for
testing,
what can I use? Is JAWS the most used disability-type browser? Lynx (ha)?
Where is a good site for b
On 6/18/07, Greg Morphis wrote:
>
> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/06/17/147255.shtml
> put that in your pipe and smoke it Dave.. as soon as you take Steve
> Job's manhood out of your mouth first, anyways.
Hi Greg! Been a bit, neh?
* * *
What, per "say", does that link prove? Something ab
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/06/17/147255.shtml
put that in your pipe and smoke it Dave.. as soon as you take Steve
Job's manhood out of your mouth first, anyways.
On 6/14/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jay,
>
> I agree with you .. partly...
> Since safari is pretty complaint the is
works fine for me.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:11 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never
> though
> > I'd see the day
What type of Blackboard problems are you having with IE7?
It works fine for me.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:11 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never
t
I said "very". Heh. Vary, even.
Yeah, we disabled the IE7 update at our place, cuz it doesn't work with
some of our multi-million dollar SW.
FWIW, you might take a quick swing through a standards compliance type
parser... there's a sweet plugin for FireFox (who'd'a thunk'it?) which uses
Tidy
an
not me. I am lost in the land of video + blackboard at the moment. And
IE7 still doesn not work. Also we will have to deal with an
institution-wide template which I suspect is a problem. So for the
moment I am a spectator but yes, I am very interested. We *will* need
to explore all this.
On 6/16/
On 6/15/07, Dana Tierney wrote:
>
> how would you know if your site was accessible to a screen reader? Short
> of actually running it through? I always thought it was a matter of making
> sure that images had text descriptions and that essential information was
> not hidden in pictures
There is a
Ha! Yeah, there are all kinds of disabilities. Trying to cater to all of
them in one layout seems
sorta silly to me. And kinda cool, so... heh. To some extent. I really
like the "plain" access,
but I guess that can be handled via things like
RSS as well. =]
Looks like I need to add some vali
On 6/15/07, Sandra Clark wrote:
>
> Don't look on it as "dumbing down". Think of it as the ability to degrade
> gracefully.
I like the degrade graceful stuff as a um... "edge case"(?) vs. using it as
a second
means of communicating for someone that's forced to use X, which
doesn't work
wit
good point, because up here we have a sign language interpreter program and the
big deal is getting the people who are using video to provide a transcript. Of
course the sign language program also uses video, but they don't use sound and
I guess we don't have to worry about anyone blind needing
how would you know if your site was accessible to a screen reader? Short of
actually running it through? I always thought it was a matter of making sure
that images had text descriptions and that essential information was not hidden
in pictures
>So... what do people feel about "separate but equ
bject: Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd
see the day.)
On 6/14/07, Sandra Clark wrote:
> I can tell you that in the accessibility and disability communities,
> text-only sites tend to be looked on as a put down. Most disabled users
> will not u
On 6/14/07, Sandra Clark wrote:
> I can tell you that in the accessibility and disability communities,
> text-only sites tend to be looked on as a put down. Most disabled users
> will not use them. They tend to not be updated as often, they aren't well
> tested, etc.
>
> Also text only in and of i
o: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though
I'd see the day.)
So... what do people feel about "separate but equal", as in, a text-only
version of a site? I think one should strive for excellence in all areas,
so I understand trying to make e
de a public funded service.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:50 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never
> though
> > I&#
Jay,
I agree with you .. partly...
Since safari is pretty complaint the issues arent severe like that usually are
in ie and it doesnt mess up the whole site and not a huge deal.
To me it still comes down too that you still should test it, even if very quick
once over to make sure there isnt any
"In the first 48 hours of availability, customers downloaded more than 1
million copies of the Safari for Windows public beta."
yup.. just blow it off no one cares
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> -Original Message-
> From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:50 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never
though
> I'd see the day.)
>
> Right-o. I like the interna
service.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:50 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never
though
> I'd see the day.)
>
> Right-o. I like the interna
Right-o. I like the internal stuff too... "you shall use X browser, if I tell
you to!" I never do... one, I tried to require firefox for... sorta worked...
Eh.
Hey, what defines a public institution? (<-- again, at anyone)
I guess if it's an intranet, doesn't matter, but do you have to get
mon
All public facing sites are accessible; it is required by law as we are
a public institution.
However I don't deal with the public facing stuff, I deal with the
internal applications where the requirements are a little more lax.
However the application vendors know that it will be a requirement.
On 6/13/07, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> guess thats why you can use a %percentage% instead of a fixed width font
> size...
Oh loard! I went and used em! Arr! This is going to be a messy search
and replace...
=-P
Which site? The Latin one?
guess thats why you can use a %percentage% instead of a fixed width font size...
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On 6/13/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/13/07, Nick McClure wrote:
> >
> > Nah, like was already said, #3 with 1.5%
> >
> > It isn't the #3 part that is important, it's the 1.5%. I guess you
On 6/13/07, Nick McClure wrote:
>
> Nah, like was already said, #3 with 1.5%
>
> It isn't the #3 part that is important, it's the 1.5%. I guess you could
> say
Speaking of only fractions of web traffic...
Um, are your sites "accessible"? (<--directed at anyone, not just Nick)
Sandra, don't eve
Nah, like was already said, #3 with 1.5%
It isn't the #3 part that is important, it's the 1.5%. I guess you could say
it's the Ralph Nader of the browser market. It might get some support from
people using FireFox. But IE will still be needed because of the integration
and site support.
> -Or
> Ummm its like #3 dude and should be accounted for.
According to my analytics stats on a site that gets 26,000 visits/month
Safari is number 3, however it accounts for only 1.75% of visits. Whether
it should be accounted for however depends on if these 447 visits are
important to you or not, for
then good for you but other people have to account for it.
"Safari isn't a major player in the browser market. IE has been a major
>player for 10 years now. Some Mozilla based system (Netscape, Firefox,
>Mozilla) has been a major player for even longer."
Ummm its like #3 dude and should be accoun
ort for when we
don't have the time or the energy to care.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:59 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
> day.
>
&g
I remember why ff came out and people said the same thing.. about how it wasnt
going to matter...
Aplle doesnt "need" to get into the business world for it to matter. Again go
back to ipods, everyone on earth has at least 1 it seems and if you notice
Apple obviously is following a very specific
way.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:51 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
> > day.
> >
> > How do you kn
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> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:51 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
> day.
>
> How do you know that it wont be significant? Now that its on windows
it
> "could" blow right by firefox.
&
ROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about plugins?
>
> Does flash work?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:24 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista
i don't get it. windows already has so many viruses that a few more isn't
going to make any difference.
On 6/11/07, Casey wrote:
>
> On 6/11/07, Robert wrote:
> >
> > But give credit where credit is due, that's a nice move by
> > Apple.
>
>
> Yeah, watch the virus wave next...
>
>
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On 6/11/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But give credit where credit is due, that's a nice move by
> Apple.
Yeah, watch the virus wave next...
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On 6/11/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 'Umm, it's Schlitz I'll take 40'z over most lagers any day!!! oh, but you
> and your girl know them as Smirnoff ice..."
> well i am glad you know how to spell it, i never had to sink so low as to
> drink it.
well, I like it... Malt *Liquor* has so
How do you know that it wont be significant? Now that its on windows it "could"
blow right by firefox.
Apple needs to pull a m$ and give it some features for the ipod, appletv &
iphone that only work in safari and then see how many of those 100+ million
ipod users start using it.
The thing is t
Well, at least I don't have buy a Mac just to test things on this browser
now. Looks fine, works fine. Unless they somehow are able to build a huge
free plugin community like Firefox has, I'll still use FF for development
and general use. But give credit where credit is due, that's a nice move by
A
On 6/11/07, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 6/11/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >18 Million? Where did you get that number?
> >
> > was in one of the articles I read about it all today
>
>
> Oh, I wouldn't doubt it!
>
> Gartner Dataquest suggests that 2 billion[C
On 6/11/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >18 Million? Where did you get that number?
>
> was in one of the articles I read about it all today
Oh, I wouldn't doubt it!
Gartner Dataquest suggests that 2 billion will be reached by 2008,
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,427042,00.asp
Like what?
-Original Message-
From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:36 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
day.
I never did say safari was better than firefox, hell i use them both and
safari has
-Community
Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
day.
i STILL dont know WHY you are actually bitching about it being made
available.. its a another choice and one i am sure a lot of people will
be glad too have, thanks for
"Firefox outnumbers safari users, is that because IE sucks or Safari?"
ie duh!! haha
oh and you can run it on whatever platform so of course the numbers are higher.
Plus it had that whole "ff" movement and all the switchers probably still use
it on a amc when they move because they are already c
The quote from Jobs?
-Original Message-
From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:28 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
day.
>18 Million? Where did you get that number?
was in one of the article
>18 Million? Where did you get that number?
was in one of the articles I read about it all today
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On 6/11/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> geez who would drink that when you can drink shlitz"
Umm, it's Schlitz
I'll take 40'z over most lagers any day!!! oh, but you and your girl know
them as Smirnoff ice...
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if i recall right cfmx 8 uses fckeditor and it was asked when ben was here and
it worked in safari.
So now I guess fckeditor is the only one that can be used eh? i use tinymce and
it runs great in safari.
stats...
well every site will have different stats, i just looked at a few of ours and
On 6/11/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "But I'm not going to waste time with something that isn't even successful
> on its native platform."
>
> I guess 18 million users unsuccessful. Then general mac public uses it,
> the geeks use ff, just cause you dont doesnt mean others done, you ar
18 Million? Where did you get that number?
-Original Message-
From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I guess 18 million users unsuccessful. Then general mac public uses it,
the geeks use ff, just cause you dont doesnt mean others done, you are
just being lazy.
I wouldnt call ie "succes
On 6/11/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "My boss uses it first when he goes to test stuff we've built."
>
> good! Thats called Being A Responsible Web Developer.
Anyone got fckeditor working on safari?
I mean, what the heck, want people to use your web browser, make it easier
to work w
"But I'm not going to waste time with something that isn't even successful on
its native platform."
I guess 18 million users unsuccessful. Then general mac public uses it, the
geeks use ff, just cause you dont doesnt mean others done, you are just being
lazy.
I wouldnt call ie "successful" its
ssage-
From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:19 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
day.
"As for allow PC developers to test with, who cares. Nobody uses it.
Even the Mac people I know hate safar
"My boss uses it first when he goes to test stuff we've built."
good! Thats called Being A Responsible Web Developer.
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flock, shiira, camino
all run better than safari or ff. flock & camino are based on ff & shiira is
based on safari.
Personally the one thing i dont like about safari that keeps me from it is the
buttons.. I like to see the buttons with their css styles and in safari they
are just set as glassy
> As for allow PC developers to test with, who cares. Nobody uses it. Even
> the Mac people I know hate safari and use Firefox.
-1
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"As for allow PC developers to test with, who cares. Nobody uses it. Even the
Mac people I know hate safari and use Firefox."
pure stupidity there...
Its still got some 18 million users and it has to be accounted for when
developing a site. Maybe your clients dont care but I'm not gunna short c
But what you forget is that safari plays much more by the rules then ie does
and you really dont need to multiple instances to test and its more backwards
compatible than ie. Over the last few years we have been having to make all
these hacks for el crap-ola (aka ie) and now ie7 breaks all those
i currently has about 1.5% market share, just below Opera.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:20 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
> day.
>
> w
well tw you should see how glorious ie looks running on parallels... the fonts
are dismal.
The thing is at least apple is now letting windows people be able to use safari
on a pc which just helped out pc developers a GREAT deal when they need to
check and see how it looks in safari.
I would a
What about plugins?
Does flash work?
> -Original Message-
> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:24 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the
> day.
>
>
jeez, it flies on my system. Noticeably faster than firefox or ie.
On 6/11/07, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> e... ugly font :(
>
> dont like.
>
> tw
>
> On 6/11/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why would you want it. Hardly anything works correctly on it.
> >
> > > -Ori
e... ugly font :(
dont like.
tw
On 6/11/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why would you want it. Hardly anything works correctly on it.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 3:18 PM
> > To: CF-Community
Why would you want it. Hardly anything works correctly on it.
> -Original Message-
> From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 3:18 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.
>
> http://www.apple.com/sa
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On 6/11/07, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.apple.com/safari/
>
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