>Hey... do you have any recommendations for researching Norse
>mythology? Books, sites, etc?
>
If you want fiction based upon Norse mythology, try David Drake's Northworld
Trilogy. It is based upon the events and mythology of the Greater (Elder) and
Lesser Edda. He, unlike Tolkein, based most
major snippage forthcoming.
On 7/7/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:02 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The Ents are going to w
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:02 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> answers inline as usual.
Yeah... this is getting confusing. ;^)
> > Well - oka
answers inline as usual.
On 7/7/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:08 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The Ents are going
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:08 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> On 7/7/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > -Original Mes
On 7/7/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:44 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
> >
> > Agr
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:44 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> Agreed, but he was never able to get the funding to continue. Mind you
> given what I&#x
esday, July 06, 2005 3:51 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
> >
> > Its been so long since I saw that. While they did an almost reasonable
> > job on the Hobbit, I was genuinely angry with what they did to Return
> > of the King. T
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> From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:45 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> GREAT MOVIE!
>
> time bandits.
Yeah... I really should have gotten the reference. It&
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> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:51 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> Its been so long since I saw that. While they did an almost reasonable
> job on the Hobbi
> -Original Message-
> From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 2:25 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> Jim Davis wrote:
> > Just thought I'd mention it. It's likely that they g
please don't make me watch that horrid animation again. The animation
quality was barely marginal, even for Rankin and Bass. I don't want to
have to suffer again.
larry
On 7/6/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> RotK after Samwise The Strong (song) rescues Frodo Of The Nine Fingers
> An
--Original Message-
>> > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:04 PM
>> > > To: CF-Community
>> > > Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>> > >
>> > > Heretic. Burn him.
&
y 06, 2005 12:04 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
> > >
> > > Heretic. Burn him.
> > >
> > > As for the Scouring of the Shire, as far as I am concerned that should
> > > have been done, at least to show ho
RotK after Samwise The Strong (song) rescues Frodo Of The Nine Fingers
And The Ring Of Doom (song) from the Orc stronghold and they're
disguised as Orcs. They're trying to cross to Mt. Doom and get caught
in an orc marching column that starts singing. [ch-krack!]
On 7/6/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL
I thought it was the sequence in the Hobbit - when Bilbo is captured
by the Orcs.
larry
On 7/6/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wasn't joking. You don't remember the song? It was in the Return of the
> King.
>
> On 7/6/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Given that
I wasn't joking. You don't remember the song? It was in the Return of the King.
On 7/6/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Given that most of Hollywood's depiction of fantasy adventure is a
> matter of skimpy leather and metal, its not much of a stretch.
>
> But I'm definatley not goi
Given that most of Hollywood's depiction of fantasy adventure is a
matter of skimpy leather and metal, its not much of a stretch.
But I'm definatley not going to be able to watch that scene from the
Ranking and Bass version of the Hobbit without thinking about "Where
there's a whip [ch-krack!], t
"Where there's a whip [ch-krack!], there is a way."
On 7/6/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Its been so long since I saw that. While they did an almost reasonable
> job on the Hobbit, I was genuinely angry with what they did to Return
> of the King. The only way they could have made
Its been so long since I saw that. While they did an almost reasonable
job on the Hobbit, I was genuinely angry with what they did to Return
of the King. The only way they could have made it worse was to have a
trio of singing dwarf transvestites and a group of S & M elves along
with Frodo.
larry
Fortunately something else. That essay was just odd.
On 7/6/05, John Dowdell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you talking about the recent Victor Davis Hanson essay, or something
> else...?
>
> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson121004.html
>
>
>
> jd
>
>
>
>
~
Yes... but not because they butchered it... I just thought their death
of the Witch King was interesting and exciting... by comparison the
same scene in the latest movie was short and dull with played-out cgi
animation, after having included the foreshadowing to build it up.
"They say no man can ki
The Rankin and Bass butchery you mean?
larry
On 7/6/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But you have to admit lava coated flaming hobbits would
> > look kinda cool.
>
> Sounds to me like it'd look painful. :P
>
> Speaking of flaming things... I was disappointed with the death of
> But you have to admit lava coated flaming hobbits would
> look kinda cool.
Sounds to me like it'd look painful. :P
Speaking of flaming things... I was disappointed with the death of the
Witch King in Return of the King... I was really hoping for something
more like the animated rendition.
s.
How bad would it be for your entire airforce to get eaten by Nazgul Mounts?
--Ben
S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
>>When I first read it as a kid I couldn't understand why
>>they just did not tie Frodo up with the ring, then using
>>an eagle, dive bomb him into the Cracks of Doom. As for
>>using an army to
Cding in the rain,
Just coding in the rain...
What a wonderfull feeling...
Oh, damn. My PC shorted out.
--Ben
S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
>>Personally, I can no longer suspend disbelief whenever the
>>characters in a musical break into song. :-)
>
> Why's that? You know, I find that nothing
But you have to admit lava coated flaming hobbits would look kinda cool.
larry
On 7/6/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I first read it as a kid I couldn't understand why
> > they just did not tie Frodo up with the ring, then using
> > an eagle, dive bomb him into the Cracks
> When I first read it as a kid I couldn't understand why
> they just did not tie Frodo up with the ring, then using
> an eagle, dive bomb him into the Cracks of Doom. As for
> using an army to ge the ring to Mt. Doom, there's a lot
> to be said about inconspicuousness.
I think it was that issue o
Jim Davis wrote:
> Just thought I'd mention it. It's likely that they go to their doom, you
> know. Last march of the Ents and all.
Are you talking about the recent Victor Davis Hanson essay, or something
else...?
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson121004.html
jd
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From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:24 AM
To: CF-Community
....Subject: Re: [QUARRANTINE]Re: The Ents are going to war.
I don't know.perhaps it has to do with the fact that I can't look out
> Personally, I can no longer suspend disbelief whenever the
> characters in a musical break into song. :-)
Why's that? You know, I find that nothing really diffuses a difficult
situation quite like a suddenly improvised ditty (with the requisite
backup band standing by of course).
Oh Ben, Oh be
> I don't know.perhaps it has to do with the fact that I
> can't look out the front window of my house and see hobbits,
> elves, etc.but I can look out and see plenty of trees
> and they aint marchin ta war.
> It's probably not a good reason, but I just can't help but
> feeling cheated
Thanks guys. :)
> Long Dark Teatime of the Soul has a great take on Norse
> Mythology btw...
> of course being Douglas Adams it isn't what you want to
> learn more
> about the original myths.
> Try these
> http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/mythology.html
> http://www.luth.se/luth/present/swed
Ents aren't "trees come alive" any more than we're "monkeys who shaved".
Ents are the guardians of the trees, and spirits of the woods, rather
than being trees themselves. Which also means that there are plenty of
trees which aren't Ents. Normally, you don't see them. They live
quietly in deep
>> -Original Message-
>> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:13 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>>
>> > Before the smackdown: eight legged.
>>
>
> On 7/6/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hey... do you have any recommendations for researching
>> Norse mythology? Books, sites, etc?
> Not anything I consider really definitive. Not like Edith
> Hamilton for the Greek mythology. The thing with so much
> of mythology is that it
On 7/6/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:04 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
> >
> > H
I don't know.perhaps it has to do with the fact that I can't look out
the front window of my house and see hobbits, elves, etc.but I can look
out and see plenty of treesand they aint marchin ta war.
It's probably not a good reason, but I just can't help but feeling cheated
somehow w
Long Dark Teatime of the Soul has a great take on Norse Mythology btw...
of course being Douglas Adams it isn't what you want to learn more
about the original myths.
Try these
http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/mythology.html
http://www.luth.se/luth/present/sweden/history/gods/Old_norse_myth.h
if your looking for a good book on mythology find a nice translation
of the Eddas
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> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:13 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> > Before the smackdown: eight legged.
>
> > On 7/6/05, Kevin Graeme <
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:04 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> Heretic. Burn him.
>
> As for the Scouring of the Shire, as far as I am concerned t
On 7/6/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey... do you have any recommendations for researching Norse
> mythology? Books, sites, etc?
Not anything I consider really definitive. Not like Edith Hamilton for
the Greek mythology. The thing with so much of mythology is that it
was genera
I guess I'm just trying to figure out why you had a problem with Ents,
but not hobbits, elves, Sauron, Gandalf, etc.
Personally, I can no longer suspend disbelief whenever the characters in
a musical break into song. :-)
--Ben
G wrote:
> All movies must grapple with believability, even fantasy.
Saruman manages to take over the Shire. Frodo et al lead a successful
revolution to turf him and his supporters out.
larry
On 7/6/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what is this scouring of the Shire anyway?
>
>
> >I missed the scouring of the Shire too especially since he did have
> > t
On 7/6/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:39 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
> >
> This story is about
in the book the hobbits come home and find that Saruman has taken over
and has instituted an industrial revolution complete with factories
and pollution. They drive him out.
Dana
On 7/6/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what is this scouring of the Shire anyway?
>
>
> >I missed the scou
My own two cent literary analysis is the Bombidil(sp) and the Scouring of the
Shire are the bookends (no pun really intended) of the story.
They show how the hobbits have changed from bumbling naïve simple folk who need
saving, to "men" knowledgeable of the wide world and can take care of their
So what is this scouring of the Shire anyway?
>I missed the scouring of the Shire too especially since he did have
> that incredibly long-winded farewell.
>
> But does Bombadil show up as Bombadil? I thought he was a renamed Green
> Man.
>
> Dana
>
In talking about the Ents, Tolkien references Shakespeare's Macbeth:
"Their part in the story is due, I think, to my bitter disappointment
and disgust from schooldays with the shabby use made in Shakespeare of
the coming of 'Great Burnam wood to high Dunsinane hill'. I longed to
devise a setting i
> Before the smackdown: eight legged.
> On 7/6/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> six legged horses
Hey... do you have any recommendations for researching Norse
mythology? Books, sites, etc?
s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
add features without
I missed the scouring of the Shire too especially since he did have
that incredibly long-winded farewell.
But does Bombadil show up as Bombadil? I thought he was a renamed Green Man.
Dana
On 7/6/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Heretic. Burn him.
>
> that said you need to read t
> -Original Message-
> From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:39 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> I guess by "purists" you mean the book readers who are looking for a
> straight on-screen
All movies must grapple with believability, even fantasy. You create your
fantasy world, then your characters must operate within that world. If you
believe in the world, the fantasy works. If the world is unbelievable to
start with, or if the story continually muddies that world, you run the ri
> I guess by "purists" you mean the book readers who are
> looking for a straight on-screen interpretation. In that
> aspect, I agree. If that's how it unfolds in the book,
> it should be done as such on screen.
> But us non-fantasy folks shake our heads when such silly
> tricks are used to shore
Heretic. Burn him.
that said you need to read the books to really understand how it hangs
together. Also remember Tolkien was writing as one of the most
significant folklorists/linguists/experts at dark ages and medieval
English at the time. Almost everything in LOTR has a basis in that.
The Ents
Before the smackdown: eight legged.
On 7/6/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> six legged horses
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actually the reluctance was Jackson, I think. In the book not much is
made of these spirits. Aragorn reappears leading them but the how of
this is not explained.
I disliked the appearance of the Ents in the movie -- though I can't
really say how it could have been done better -- but I really loved
Sorry Brian, but you missed the whole point of Tolkien's writing then.
He's fundamentally a mythologist. Ents are one of his mythological
creatures. They are no more or less real than the humans in his story.
Just as centaurs, cyclops, the kraken, etc were essential to the
Greeks and the niebelung
> shore up the plot. Tolkien couldn't figure out how to destroy Isingard (i
> think i have that name right, with butchered spelling i'm sure) using
> believable aspects/characters of the story, so he invents walking trees to
'Cause, you know, a more-or-less imortal sorcerer manifested as a gian
gt;> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:25 AM
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>> >
>> > Too much of the pipe-weed last night?
>>
>> Nope. On a long, last minute project that HAD to be done
>> before this
>&
I guess by "purists" you mean the book readers who are looking for a
straight on-screen interpretation. In that aspect, I agree. If that's how it
unfolds in the book, it should be done as such on screen.
But us non-fantasy folks shake our heads when such silly tricks are used to
shore up the pl
And you survived? Thats the amazing part.
larry
On 7/6/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:25 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Th
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:25 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Ents are going to war.
>
> Too much of the pipe-weed last night?
Nope. On a long, last minute project that HAD t
True, folks like me would have had kittens. Especially since the Ents were key
to defeating Saruman and allowed Aragorn to recover the palantir.
But I think you were being hasty announcing their war ;)
Russel
>I'm not really sure how they could have the Ents any more believable,
>but the puris
I'm not really sure how they could have the Ents any more believable,
but the purists would have been up in arms had they left the Ents out
of the story.
On 7/6/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope.
>
> I'm not big into "fantasy" storiesbut I love sci-fi movies, and any
> movie with a big
Nope.
I'm not big into "fantasy" storiesbut I love sci-fi movies, and any
movie with a big budget and monsters and large battles is going to get my
money :)
> I'm guessing you didn't read the novels?
>
> On 7/6/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Are those the giant walking trees? By the fa
I'm guessing you didn't read the novels?
On 7/6/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are those the giant walking trees? By the far the stupidest part of an
> otherwise surprisingly enjoyable movie series.
>
>
> > Either that or watching LOTR:Return of the King a few too many times I
> > imagine.
Are those the giant walking trees? By the far the stupidest part of an
otherwise surprisingly enjoyable movie series.
> Either that or watching LOTR:Return of the King a few too many times I
> imagine.
> larry
>
> On 7/6/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Too much of the pipe-weed l
Either that or watching LOTR:Return of the King a few too many times I imagine.
larry
On 7/6/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Too much of the pipe-weed last night?
>
> On 7/5/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just thought I'd mention it. It's likely that they go to their
Too much of the pipe-weed last night?
On 7/5/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just thought I'd mention it. It's likely that they go to their doom, you
> know.
>
> Last march of the Ents and all.
>
> Jim Davis
>
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