On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Maureen wrote:
> I lived through the sixties, when a single black family would move
> into a neighborhood and within days almost every white family in the
> neighbor would put their house up for sale, or just move and leave it
> empty. Look at the demographics of
If you truly think White Flight is a myth, Cameron is not the one
displaying ignorance of history.
I lived through the sixties, when a single black family would move
into a neighborhood and within days almost every white family in the
neighbor would put their house up for sale, or just move and l
I missed most of this debate. I put Eric on my spam filter list since there
is no reason to waste time on boorish rants.
After reading Cameron's posts, I thought I would post the following. It is
not mine, but comes from wikipedia.
Government-aided white flight
The organization of municipal
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:20 AM, G Money wrote:
> Aw, u know I love ya Cam
Oh I know you do, because it fits into my grammatically incorrect,
sloppily proofread, insulated view of you. :)
-Cameron
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Aw, u know I love ya Cam
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:01 AM, G Money wrote:
> > You must not proofread your own posts then :)
>
> Ouch.
>
> -Cameron
>
> ...
>
>
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:01 AM, G Money wrote:
> You must not proofread your own posts then :)
Ouch.
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On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> Rarely have I seen such an uneducated, historically
> ignorant, insulated view of this world (and this nation).
>
You must not proofread your own posts then :)
--
I've seen your flag on the marble arch
Love is not a victory march
I
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> No...you said I said it was a bad thing...you said I was being historically
> ignorant.
It is a bad thing, but I said that. ...and you are terribly ignorant
if you think that it's a myth.
Certainly, people migrate for a variety of reasons
[mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:49 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: White FLight (Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .)
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> Did you not post the following? Is there another Cameron on this list?
Yup, that's my post,
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> Did you not post the following? Is there another Cameron on this list?
Yup, that's my post, but you appear to have ignored it's content in your reply.
-Cameron
..
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60s and 70s.
-Cameron"
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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:34 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: White FLight (Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .)
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> Where di
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> Where did I state it was a good or bad thing? I was commenting on how it
> was a myth and that there are cycles of migration in urban areas and I cited
> and example of this in the Chicago area...an actual historical event and one
> that ha
es to this
day. That is a historical fact, not the ignorance you obviously have
Cameron.
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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:27 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: White FLight (Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .)
On Fri, Jul 9,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> White flight is a myth Jerry.
I saw this comment a few days ago on my phone and didn't have the time
to respond to it. Rarely have I seen such an uneducated, historically
ignorant, insulated view of this world (and this nation). That would
It was a huge success. That is why Big Pharma is running ads all over
the country, especially for Harry Reid, supporting there money making
candidates.
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> I believe that things have definitely gotten more polarized over the
> years, but I ca
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Looking at the last few generations of Americans, particularly since WWII,
> there seems to be a growth of 'winner takes all, anything else is complete
> failure' attitude. "
>
> Possibly. It seems like the majority doesn't want to compro
"Sometimes I muse that one of the biggest problems with our world today is
the death of compromise."
That's a great point. It seems to be getting worse every year.
"Looking at the last few generations of Americans, particularly since WWII,
there seems to be a growth of 'winner takes all, anyth
I can't find anything about self-executing rule in the Senate. Seems
to be a house only thing. Please share.
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Interestingly enough, I was just pointed to an analysis of this
> talking point and it is sort of true. The House has never done a
schizophrenia has nothing to do with multiple personalities.
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> I also said that they were Schizophrenic.
> So at one point in time they are Psychopathic...at another they are
> sociopathic..
>>_>
> <_<
>
> 0_0
>
> On 9 July 2010 12:38, Scott Stroz
Noted. Carry on
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> I also said that they were Schizophrenic.
> So at one point in time they are Psychopathic...at another they are
> sociopathic..
>>_>
> <_<
>
> 0_0
>
> On 9 July 2010 12:38, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
>>
>> Pretty sure, by definitio
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> Since the creation of the Congressional budget process, the House has never
> failed to pass a budget and then deemed the non-existent budget as passed.
>
> It will be interesting to see how Republicans use this for the upcoming
> elections
That's an idea...
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Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:57 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> How about ending corporate welfa
On 7/9/2010 9:40 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote:
> It's not the positions that are dishonest. It's how the two sides talk
> about each other. If they were honest they'd both admit that the other
> side has a point and we'd actually be able to move towards resolving the
> issue instead of just endlessly ar
I also said that they were Schizophrenic.
So at one point in time they are Psychopathic...at another they are
sociopathic..
>_>
<_<
0_0
On 9 July 2010 12:38, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Pretty sure, by definition, one cannot be a psychopath and sociopath.
>
> IIRC: psychopath is unable to determine
al Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
What isn't honest about those positions?
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote:
>
> Neither side is in the le
Pretty sure, by definition, one cannot be a psychopath and sociopath.
IIRC: psychopath is unable to determine right from wrong, sociopath
can tell the difference between right and wrong, but does not care.
*splits hairs*
:D
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Once you start seei
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote:
> Neither side is in the least measure honest or objective. Most who
> advocate the end of welfare simply feel that it's not the government's
> place to run what amounts to a charity that we're all required to donate
> to by law (and they have a
What isn't honest about those positions?
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote:
>
> Neither side is in the least measure honest or objective. Most who
> advocate the end of welfare simply feel that it's not the government's
> place to run what amounts to a charity that we're all requi
Ever few
years, there is a movement of people out the suburbs and others back into
the city. Urban renewal has little to do with it.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:03 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about t
Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:06 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
Once you start seeing Corporations as Individuals your society is on the
way
to implosion.
Corporations , if they are individuals, are all psychopathic,
schizophrenic
so
Is ti happy hour already?
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Once you start seeing Corporations as Individuals your society is on the way
> to implosion.
>
> Corporations , if they are individuals, are all psychopathic, schizophrenic
> sociopaths.
>
> Those who oppose the end of
Or get the money from Iraqi oil like we were supposed to?
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From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:32 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
Yes, we can leave. The same old tired rhetoric about the Taliban
That is false Robert. He talked about getting out of Iraq and campaigned on
Afghanistan being the right war.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:50 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
Obama the
, for
instance, said they didn't need to use the acoustic blowout preventers
because they cost too much, laid the groundwork for this disaster.
-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:19 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm,
Once you start seeing Corporations as Individuals your society is on the way
to implosion.
Corporations , if they are individuals, are all psychopathic, schizophrenic
sociopaths.
Those who oppose the end of Medicare and Social Welfare are not phrasing
their opposition in such sensational terms.
t: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
That long? Interesting.
So, theoretically, he could serve as president for one term, not get
re-elected, and not be blamed for anything bad that may have happened
in that 4 years.
Of course, if things turn around, even more than they have, in the
next 2.5
July 06, 2010 6:05 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
On the flip side, other people seem to be to quick to blame Bush for
everything.
I am just curious when the responsibility for shit not going well will
actually rest on Obama's shoulders.
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010
be a Christian, who by definition is trying to be like Christ,
and yet be diametrically opposed to just about everything he stood for?
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Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:54 PM
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Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> How about ending corporate welfare first? Then stop sending aid to Israel.
> Next, decriminalize marijuana and tax the shit out of it. Budget problems
> solved.
How about at least restricting Social Security bennies only to those
who meet
: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
Obama doesn't even agree with those ideas.
I suggest we start by taking the ax to Social Security and Medicare -
otherwise they will consume the entire federal budget within a few
decades. There is no choice on this one, it's just a matter of time.
O
You did notice that was a liberal rag blaming Clinton and co. I just
pointed and giggled.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> I suppose the fact that I can Google my CF-Community archive for
> messages from you containing the word Clinton and get hundreds of hits
> means you were
I suppose the fact that I can Google my CF-Community archive for
messages from you containing the word Clinton and get hundreds of hits
means you were singing his praises?. Even those with subjects like
"cleaning up after Clinton"?
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> No they didn't.
>
> > No blame, just perspective :)
>
Soak it in lads, soak it in.
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No they didn't. Bush haters blamed everything on Bush including the
recession he inherited. We were just clarifying when the recession
started and when 9/11 terrorist entered the US to start training.There
was also rendition and domestic wiretaps which made Bush evil so we
pointed out that Clinton
"Well, in the Great Depression, a lot of people just died."
Interesting. Do you mean a lot more people than normal? I am curious
because life expectancy increased during the Great Depression. It increased
from 57.1 years to 63.3 years.
"They were mostly cared for on an ad-hoc basis in local
Yes, we can leave. The same old tired rhetoric about the Taliban and
Al Qaeda is just the spin of those profiting from the war, and I'm not
listening anymore.
And is there any reason we couldn't take the money from the war to pay
for the stimulus instead of borrowing it from China?
On Tue, Jul
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> Obama the candidate talked about getting out of foreign wars. Obama
> the President understands that we can't just leave, especially in
> Afghanistan where the Taliban will be right back in power and Al Qaeda
> will open up camp again.
Obama
Seriously? Bush supporters blamed everything on Clinton for eight
years. Roosevelt spent his first three terms blaming Hoover for the
depression. It's just the way it works. The only President to ever
accept responsibility was Truman.
Bottom line, Obama inherited a mess. He's had 18 months t
Obama the candidate talked about getting out of foreign wars. Obama
the President understands that we can't just leave, especially in
Afghanistan where the Taliban will be right back in power and Al Qaeda
will open up camp again.
As for spending money "re-building" the US, what do you call the st
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> It depends on the items and what time scale they run on. For example,
> failures in the management response to the BP oil catastrophe, totally
> on his shoulders. The lack of oversight by MMS that lead to it, I'd
> say probably shared respon
Why not try something that will create jobs rather than focus on
permanent unemployment?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Why don't we make both sides happy and pay for unemployment benefit
> extensions from the war supplemental?
>
~~~
We did. A trillion dollars for shovel ready work. How's that working out for us?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Why don't we just use the money that is being thrown away to "rebuild"
> Iraq and Afghanistan to rebuild the US. Then those who need jobs
> would have them and the
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Do you have one that does require me to watch idiots screaming at each other?
It's the idiots that made him scream that.
> Stop spending is a great sound bite. I suggest we start by eliminating
> all oil subsidies and wars. Think you can get t
You know, you and your even keeled responses are really starting to
get on my nerves :D
How are we supposed to have any 'good' discussions when nothing you
say ever incites anyone?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>>
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> On the flip side, other people seem to be to quick to blame Bush for
> everything.
>
> I am just curious when the responsibility for shit not going well will
> actually rest on Obama's shoulders.
>
It depends on the items and what time scal
That long? Interesting.
So, theoretically, he could serve as president for one term, not get
re-elected, and not be blamed for anything bad that may have happened
in that 4 years.
Of course, if things turn around, even more than they have, in the
next 2.5 years, people will be clamoring to have
I think that should be after his first term, into his second.
On 6 July 2010 19:05, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> On the flip side, other people seem to be to quick to blame Bush for
> everything.
>
> I am just curious when the responsibility for shit not going well will
> actually rest on Obama's sho
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> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 12:04 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
>
>
> Are you talking about the stimulus plan? It was watered down,
> significantly, in Con
Why don't we just use the money that is being thrown away to "rebuild"
Iraq and Afghanistan to rebuild the US. Then those who need jobs
would have them and the need for unemployment benefits would go away?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Why don't we make both sides hap
Why don't we make both sides happy and pay for unemployment benefit
extensions from the war supplemental?
Judah
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> So the rant is not really "cut spending", it's only to cut spending on
> social programs while continuing to support the war mongers
So the rant is not really "cut spending", it's only to cut spending on
social programs while continuing to support the war mongers and
corporate overlords.
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> Obama doesn't even agree with those ideas.
>
> I suggest we start by taking the ax to
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "What is your plan to deal with the have nots and the vulnerable in
> America?"
>
> Now that is a powerful question.
>
> What did our founding fathers do with the have nots and vulnerable in
> America?
They were mostly cared for on an ad-ho
I'm up for considering that idea, amongst others. I'm not one of the
people that is steadfastly against raising the Social Security age
limit. However, I also think it is worth looking at raising the cap on
salary for the SSI tax applies. Perhaps some combination of the two
ideas.
Point still sta
"What is your plan to deal with the have nots and the vulnerable in
America?"
Now that is a powerful question.
What did our founding fathers do with the have nots and vulnerable in
America?
What did our country do with the have nots and vulnerable before Lyndon B
Johnson?
J
-
Sometimes I won
Social Security and Medicare are no longer safety nets for the
vulnerable. They are the biggest middle class entitlements in history.
What would I do? I would start by indexing the onset of benefits to
average US life expectancy. That's how the program was originally
designed, but the age wasn't i
Ok, quick summary of the statistics once again.
There are two programs here, Social Security and Medicare. They have
nothing to do with one another and their problems are entirely
different.
Medicare is in tougher shape due to rising health care costs. That was
the impetus behind the first round
What do you do with your elderly, and your sick then?
What is your plan to deal with the have nots and the vulnerable in America?
On 6 July 2010 17:29, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> We'll need to pay 85 cents on every dollar in taxes if we are to meet
> those obligations just by the middle of the cent
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Statistics beg to differ. I've pointed out, again and again, the
> studies that show that we can keep Social Security and Medicare alive
> as going concerns. You may not want them to, which is fine, but it is
> utterly incorrect to say that
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> Obama doesn't even agree with those ideas.
Suffice to say Obama and I don't necessarily agree on any number of things.
> I suggest we start by taking the ax to Social Security and Medicare -
> otherwise they will consume the entire federal
Obama doesn't even agree with those ideas.
I suggest we start by taking the ax to Social Security and Medicare -
otherwise they will consume the entire federal budget within a few
decades. There is no choice on this one, it's just a matter of time.
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Maureen wrote
Do you have one that does require me to watch idiots screaming at each other?
Stop spending is a great sound bite. I suggest we start by eliminating
all oil subsidies and wars. Think you can get the screaming idiot to
agree to that?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> They do:
> ht
Republicans charge that adding to the deficit to extend unemployment
benefits is a robbing peter to pay paul sort of situation and they are
being the responsible party by demanding fiscal discipline. I
disagree and I think that the argument is specious considering the
history of unemployment bene
Because that would make sense... can't have than in government.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
Then why don't they come up with a plan that work
#x27;t work for
Bush. They won't work now. Get a friken clue. Sheesh.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 12:53 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:54 PM, G Money wrote:
>
>
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From: Kris Sisk [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 12:36 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
>BTW...the dems won the last election by a landslide, so I would say
>that gives them the right to push their agenda
They do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_7PwbxcDbs
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Then why don't they come up with a plan that works?
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
>>
>> The President's plan has failed to bring down unemployment and restart
>> econ
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:54 PM, G Money wrote:
>
> Unemployment is the last shoe to drop, and the last to be propped back up.
BS. Unemployment Doesn't have to stay at ten percent for at least five
more years even though the economy recovered last year. No matter how
many time this admin says it
>BTW...the dems won the last election by a landslide, so I would say
>that gives them the right to push their agenda, just like the republicans do
>when they are in charge.
Not at the cost of doing what's right for the country. I don't like it when
Republicans do it either.
>I didn't see
>too
lto:cfmuns...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:27 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
The President's plan has failed to bring down unemployment and restart
economic growth, and it has added an obscene amount of money to our
debt. Republicans see that failure as a d
n office.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 12:04 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that budget . . .
Are you talking about the stimulus plan? It was watered down,
significantly, in Congressional negotiations and th
when
dems compromise instead of just voting no and obstructing getting important
work done to satisfy their corporatist masters.
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ummm, about that b
untry.
-Original Message-
From: Sisk, Kris [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:15 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .
That to me indicates that BOTH parties need to be demonized.
Basically what you're saying is that because the R
Are you talking about the stimulus plan? It was watered down,
significantly, in Congressional negotiations and then still didn't
attract many votes from people who forced concessions. It did pretty
much what Krugman (and others) argued it would, it stopped the free
fall but wasn't big enough to s
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> The President's plan has failed to bring down unemployment and restart
> economic growth, and it has added an obscene amount of money to our
> debt. Republicans see that failure as a demonstration of the
> President's lack of competence in
Then why don't they come up with a plan that works?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> The President's plan has failed to bring down unemployment and restart
> economic growth, and it has added an obscene amount of money to our
> debt. Republicans see that failure as a demons
The President's plan has failed to bring down unemployment and restart
economic growth, and it has added an obscene amount of money to our
debt. Republicans see that failure as a demonstration of the
President's lack of competence in economic matters and his general
hostility to private enterprise
-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:55 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Ummm, about that budget . . .
Before you go demonizing dems on this, the republicans refused to pass
the
pay as you go rule for the budget and have been blocking most efforts
e
Before you go demonizing dems on this, the republicans refused to pass the
pay as you go rule for the budget and have been blocking most efforts either
via filibuster or just voting no to just about every bill that has gone
across their desk, forcing the hand of dems to "deem" it.
Eric
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