Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
yeah yeah yeah I am talking to myself now. But now that I think about it, Sam Kerry's plan is to extend to uninsured Americans the same health care plan that members of Congress have, correct? It might have worked out as well. I think the key factor in my case was the willingness and ability

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-12 Thread dana tierney
u were. > > Andy > > >   -Original Message- >   From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >   Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:33 PM >   To: CF-Community >   Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal > >   pulmonary embolism. > >   Known in medical terms as "you w

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-12 Thread Deanna Schneider
Eesh. That is scary. And, yah, those usually do kill a person. Glad that something made you go get checked out and that you pulled through. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:33:03 -0600, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > pulmonary embolism. > > Known in medical terms as "you were really lucky", "God

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Andy Ousterhout
That's what my mom died of.  Go buy a lottery ticket.  You are very lucky. And we are glad that you were. Andy   -Original Message-   From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:33 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal   pulm

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread dana tierney
pulmonary embolism. Known in medical terms as "you were really lucky", "God was on your side" and "you're the miracle patient of the night." As I understand it they don't usually catch these, even in the US. You just die. I am doing really well, as the treatment for this seems to be also wiping

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread dana tierney
I think Kerry's plan is irrelevant to my own personal wellbeing, honestly. But I have a unique set of local circumstances. I do know that based on what I saw of OHIP, if I were in Ontario I would be dead; if I were in my former HMO I would be dead. Sorry if that doesn't fit your paradigm. Dana O

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Robert Munn
Wall Steet Journal today. My mistake, the figures are combined for John and Theresa Kerry for their released income taxes for 2003. The article was written by  Steven Moore of the Club for Growth, so make what you will of that, but I just checked the figures at www.johnkerry.com and they check out.

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Kevin Graeme
Look up 1991 and 1995. I don't have official records, it's just what the Kerry haters mention. -Kevin On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:40:38 -0500, Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You likely > won't find Kerry not giving to charity (or, at least, not claiming it on > his tax return) at any point

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Jim Campbell
04 3:01 PM >  To: CF-Community >  Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal > > >  I'm looking at his tax return I linked to in my previous email...  (PDF >  Page 4) Schedule A line 15 - $43,650, then PDF page 25 where he lists >  $18,650 as "Miscellaneous", $15,000 fo

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am going to be better off when John Kerry raises my taxes? That's just plain silly. I agreed with most of what you said except this - in concept.  In 1993 when President Clinton raised top bracket rates from ~31% to ~39% supply sid

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Andy Ousterhout
bject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal   I'm looking at his tax return I linked to in my previous email...  (PDF   Page 4) Schedule A line 15 - $43,650, then PDF page 25 where he lists   $18,650 as "Miscellaneous", $15,000 for NE Shelter for Homeless Veterans   and $10,000 for Liberty House

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Jim Campbell
>  -Original Message- >  From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >  Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:42 PM >  To: CF-Community >  Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal > > >  >Speaking of taxes, have you seen the Kerry's latest returns, (he ones they >ha

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Where did you get those numbers?  I remember Kerry giving $0 to charity.   -Original Message-   From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:42 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal   >Speaking of taxes, have you seen the Kerr

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Jim Campbell
>Speaking of taxes, have you seen the Kerry's latest returns, (he ones they have released, anyway)? He paid around $870K or so on $6.8 million in wages- an effective tax rate of 12.8%. I thought rich guys had to pay more in taxes? Isn't that Kerry's whole stance? > >   > Where did you get those nu

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Robert Munn
>I think you're a bit mistaken about what helps the economy.  Government >spending helps the economy more than cutting taxes.  It's a staple of >economic theory that the velocity of a dollar (the speed with which it moves >from entity to entity) is much greater when it comes from the government, >b

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-11 Thread Deanna Schneider
Eek. What happened? Glad you're doing okay, at least. > By the way, I just spent a week and the annual economy of of a > third-world nation in a hospital. Fortunately I had really good > arrangements in place and personally am only out my Rx deductibles but > how many of you could say the same? Ei

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-10 Thread Sam Morris
Glas to here you're ok. Now if Kerry's plan was in effect would you be? -sm --- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > as opposed to a massive war plan? Sounds good to me > ;) > > By the way, I just spent a week and the annual > economy of of a > third-world nation in a hospital. Fortunate

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-09 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Sorry to hear that you were ill.   Happy to have you back, live and kicking Andy   -Original Message-   From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 4:05 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal   as opposed to a massive war plan

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-09 Thread dana tierney
as opposed to a massive war plan? Sounds good to me ;) By the way, I just spent a week and the annual economy of of a third-world nation in a hospital. Fortunately I had really good arrangements in place and personally am only out my Rx deductibles but how many of you could say the same? Eight da

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-09 Thread dana tierney
it's entirely possible for them to suggest > >that Kerry voted for things he didn't. There was even one where I > >thought the made up number was too low if they were counting all the > >liberal votes. > > > >-Kevin > > > > > >On

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Gruss Gott
Deficits are bad because they crowd out private investment; unless that money is properly invested and then you're leveraged. Mr. Bush isn't wisely investing in income generating vehicles, instead the money is spent on Pork; which is consumption.  As the consumption increases, more and more of you

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 17:15 10/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I think you're a bit mistaken about what helps the economy.  Government >spending helps the economy more than cutting taxes.  It's a staple of >economic theory that the velocity of a dollar (the speed with which it moves >from entity to entity) is much greater

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 , Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was an informal poll and 80% said they would >  rather work for Kerry. Mr. Bush has completely ignored the coming Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid crisis, spent at double the rate of Mr. Clinton, and it borrowing $2 billion

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
That was an informal poll and 80% said they would rather work for Kerry. -sm --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I should add that all of this spending is NOT > accounted for in taxes - > it's borrowed every day from China, Japan, and > Europe at the rate of > about $2.5 billion/day.  Mr

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Gruss Gott
I should add that all of this spending is NOT accounted for in taxes - it's borrowed every day from China, Japan, and Europe at the rate of about $2.5 billion/day.  Mr. Bush has decieded that you need to live beyond your means. In fact Mr. Bush's "tax cuts" are essentially a new spending program.

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks like Dems consistantly outspend Republicans >  exept for one time and that was after 9/11. Mr. Bush's non-defense, non-security spending has increase at double the rate of Mr. Clinton's: ~4% vs.  ~8%. The spending is in the Pork

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Nope.  I'm voting for a democratic Senator!   -Original Message-   From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:51 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal   > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   &g

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Matthew Small
when the money flows.   I don't mind government spending but what we have is wasteful and unproductive. I also don't like taxes but it makes things better for everybody. - Matt Small   _   From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:55 PM To: CF-

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
Looks like Dems consistantly outspend Republicans exept for one time and that was after 9/11. -sm --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Sam Morris > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >  You think Bush is spending a lot, wait and see > what > >  happens if Kerry wins. >

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
Well this is better addressed by Won but I'll give you my take. I do think Bush is overspending but I'm not sure if it's needed. I'm sure there's wasteful spending by the Bush admin but am unaware of what that is. I would need to know more of what people consider waste in spending by the current a

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >  You think Bush is spending a lot, wait and see what >  happens if Kerry wins. It doesn't matter what Mr. Kerry says he wants to do; his congress and senate will be Republican led.  A divided executive and legislative government can't

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Matthew Small
r 08, 2004 4:24 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Tax and Spend Liberal Well actually the thread was about Bush calling Kerry a Tax and Spend Liberal. Some people thought that this was as true as squirrels raping mothers and the earth crashing into the sun. In the end it's a true statement. Kerry does

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
Well actually the thread was about Bush calling Kerry a Tax and Spend Liberal. Some people thought that this was as true as squirrels raping mothers and the earth crashing into the sun. In the end it's a true statement. Kerry does want to raise taxes on people that make over $200k and spend

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 15:55 10/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I don't exactly like the fact that Kerry has a massive health care plan, but >it's something that most democrats want and is usually a staple of their >agenda.  I think everyone here knows that a massive health care plan is >likely to fail in congress and will

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Matthew Small
o: CF-Community Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal At 12:37 10/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: >He claims he will pay for it by rolling back the Bush >tax cuts for those making more than $200,000 a year. > >-sm That isn't exactly the most well thought out plan by Kerry.  Hopefully he will

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 12:37 10/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: >He claims he will pay for it by rolling back the Bush >tax cuts for those making more than $200,000 a year. > >-sm That isn't exactly the most well thought out plan by Kerry.  Hopefully he will flesh out the rest of the fiscal policy to produce the funds nece

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
He claims he will pay for it by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for those making more than $200,000 a year. -sm --- Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 12:20 10/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm just talking about his health plan and he has > >released numbers on that. > > > >http://www.ncpa.or

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Jim Campbell
http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/ - Jim Sam Morris wrote: >But would you stop Bush by electing someone who'll do >worse? > >I'm not defending Bush on this just making a >comparison. > >-sm > >--- Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >   > >>Sam, >>While I agr

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 12:26 10/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--- Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I read rumors that Rush had a substance abuse > > problem.  Is this true? > >Yes. Ouch.  Hopefully he is off the pills now.  I guess this makes him a minor celebrity now.  He should have gone to the Betty Ford clinic

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
But would you stop Bush by electing someone who'll do worse? I'm not defending Bush on this just making a comparison. -sm --- Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam, > While I agree that Kerry will open up the coffers > even wider, Bush has allowed > a republican spending binge to o

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 12:20 10/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I'm just talking about his health plan and he has >released numbers on that. > >http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba489/ > >I found this using Google so I don't know if it's >biased but I'm going by this: Sam, Thanks for the info. I did a quick look through.  This i

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
--- Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I read rumors that Rush had a substance abuse > problem.  Is this true? Yes. (Broadcast nationally over the EIB Network October 10, 2003) "You know I have always tried to be honest with you and open about my life. So I need to tell you today that part of

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Yup, he abuses most of the substance he uses for his material!   -Original Message-   From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:11 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal   At 15:06 10/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:   >Simple, Rush said

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Andy Ousterhout
ECTED]   Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:57 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal   I find it amazing that this thread is about squirrels   raping mothers and the earth colliding with the sun.   You should be talking about the Kerry's $trillion   health care plan and how much

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
I'm just talking about his health plan and he has released numbers on that. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba489/ I found this using Google so I don't know if it's biased but I'm going by this: Ken Thorpe, a former Clinton administration official who is now a professor at Emory University, initially

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 15:06 10/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Simple, Rush said it. I read rumors that Rush had a substance abuse problem.  Is this true? Won [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 15:06 10/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Simple, Rush said it. Actually both Bush and Kerry have been rather vague on how they plan to pay for stuff.  Kerry wants affordable drugs for the eldery.  Great.  That is a health care plan.  Let me see where the money is going to come for it though, the f

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Howie Hamlin
Simple, Rush said it.   - Original Message -   From: Won Lee   To: CF-Community   Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:02 PM   Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal   Sam,   You can't write that.  How do you know that Kerry is going to spend more   then Bush?  Kerry or his camp h

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 11:57 10/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I find it amazing that this thread is about squirrels >raping mothers and the earth colliding with the sun. >You should be talking about the Kerry's $trillion >health care plan and how much he'll have to raise >taxes to pay for it. >You think Bush is spending a

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Matthew Small
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:57 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal I find it amazing that this thread is about squirrels raping mothers and the earth colliding with the sun. You should be talking about the Kerry's $trillion health care plan and how much

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Sam Morris
I find it amazing that this thread is about squirrels raping mothers and the earth colliding with the sun. You should be talking about the Kerry's $trillion health care plan and how much he'll have to raise taxes to pay for it. You think Bush is spending a lot, wait and see what happens if Kerry wi

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:09:19 -0500, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >   > making up statistics. I heard if Mr. Kerry is elected the Earth will spin off its axis and collide with the sun. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donation

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Gruss Gott
>On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:26:41 -0400, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did anybody else hear Bush calling Kerry a "tax-and-spend liberal"? Mr. Bush is a "spend-and-spend more conservative". [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fa

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Won Lee
At 10:34 10/8/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Well, it's true, I suppose.  As long as you counter with calling Bush a >"Spend-and-don't-have-any-plan-to-pay-for-it conservative", you might be >on to something.  "Liberal" though... come /on/. > >- Jim It won't matter what Bush or Kerry call each other soon

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Matthew Small
My mom would rather be raped by a rapid squirrel than have George Bush be reelected president. Really. - Matt Small   _   From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:38 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Tax and Spend Liberal But your mother might

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Jerry Johnson
But your mother might. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/04 12:15PM >>> Wow, I did not know that Kerry voted 580 times to have a rabid squirrel rape my mother.  I certainly won't vote for him. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [D

RE: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Matthew Small
Wow, I did not know that Kerry voted 580 times to have a rabid squirrel rape my mother.  I certainly won't vote for him.   - Matt Small   _   From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:09 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Tax and Spend Liberal Yeah,

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Jim Campbell
t. There was even one where I >thought the made up number was too low if they were counting all the >liberal votes. > >-Kevin > > >On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:26:41 -0400, Matthew Small ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >   > >>Did anybody else hear Bush cal

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Kevin Graeme
w if they were counting all the liberal votes. -Kevin On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:26:41 -0400, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did anybody else hear Bush calling Kerry a "tax-and-spend liberal"? > > Wow. > > - Matt Small > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Jim Campbell
Well, it's true, I suppose.  As long as you counter with calling Bush a "Spend-and-don't-have-any-plan-to-pay-for-it conservative", you might be on to something.  "Liberal" though... come /on/. - Jim Matthew Small wrote: >Did anybody else hear Bush calli

Tax and Spend Liberal

2004-10-08 Thread Matthew Small
Did anybody else hear Bush calling Kerry a "tax-and-spend liberal"? Wow. - Matt Small [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]