> Jim wrote:
> Well - it's not traditional, but it does represent my values and my hopes
> for my family so in that respect it's sorta traditional. Ain't it? ;^)
>
Heh, well ... no. Because every December you don't think about
worshiping the rise of the Darwin fish. Although that's not a bad
i
stabby stab stab :-)
On 12/8/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > WillBo wrote:
> > nex argument please ;-)
> >
>
> Brutus.
>
>
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> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:31 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: mixed religion households
>
> I'd have a giant blow up Snoopy in front of my house all year round if I
> could get aw
Wouldn't lying on its back on the roof be better?
On 08/12/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd have a giant blow up Snoopy in front of my house all year round if I
> could get away with it.
>
> Snoopy rocks.
>
> On 12/7/06, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Outside, so far, it'
> RoMunn wrote:
> We also know that there was a city
> of a size and shape and historical age very much like the ancient city of
> Troy that was sacked by the Greeks in the Iliad. Does that mean that the
> gods were involved?
>
Well done, my friend. Ironically Socratic.
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> WillBo wrote:
> nex argument please ;-)
>
Brutus.
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I'd have a giant blow up Snoopy in front of my house all year round if I
could get away with it.
Snoopy rocks.
On 12/7/06, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Outside, so far, it's white lights and... well, that's it so far. We
> might
> get one of those giants air-blown Snoopy decorations
>How dare you, Tiamat exists !!
>http://www.zenial.nl/html/tiamat.htm
>
>:)
>
>
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Myself, I prefer Gog and Magog. Tiamat is just a piker.
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I'll give you a better example- Socrates. Despite the stories about Socrates
related by Plato, some historians have suggested that Socrates was a
fictional character created by Plato. We really have only Plato's word that
Socrates existed.
As for Jesus, there is plenty of evidence that he lived, j
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> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:35 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: mixed religion households
>
> > Jim wrote:
> > (I actually wanted to do up a nice big Darwin fish in Christmas
oh and FWIW, there _is_no_ preponderence of historical evidence that
points to the existence of Jesus Christ... not so of other figures
from that time and before.
On 12/7/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > WillBo wrote:
> > Ever read any Gore Vidal's Lincoln? Any other historical fictio
in the case of Julius Caesar we have far more than anecdotal evidence
pointing to his existence. We have actual contemporar texts.
nex argument please ;-)
On 12/7/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > WillBo wrote:
> > Ever read any Gore Vidal's Lincoln? Any other historical fiction? How
> WillBo wrote:
> Ever read any Gore Vidal's Lincoln? Any other historical fiction? How
> about Life of Brian?
>
So prove anyone 2000 years old existed. How about Caesar? You can
make your arguments about anyone. The question is preponderance of
the evidence which in this case says that Jesus e
> But the difference here is that Jesus is placed at documented events
> with real people. So let's go over the possibilities of your
> contention:
Ever read Homer's Odyssey? There's real events there, too. The Trojan
War was a real event and Troy was a real place.
Ever read any Gore Vidal's Lin
> WillBo wrote:
> who would make up Hercules, horus or osiris?
>
But the difference here is that Jesus is placed at documented events
with real people. So let's go over the possibilities of your
contention:
1.) A person or group spread the Jesus myth during the time he was
said to live. Unlikel
On 12/7/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In the same way that many law schools teach via the Socratic method.
> It's not just that he existed, it's that he created a body of work and
> a philosophy that can be followed today.
>
> That is, you can believe in and follow Jesus' philosophy
> For issue #1, the consensus is yes.
i guess so, but simply because a lot of people believe it, doesn't
necessarily make it so.
> But to look at it from the other
> direction, who would make up Jesus?
who would make up Hercules, horus or osiris?
> For what purpose?
did you really just ask thi
> gMoney wrote:
> How so? Just because you believe he existed?
>
In the same way that many law schools teach via the Socratic method.
It's not just that he existed, it's that he created a body of work and
a philosophy that can be followed today.
That is, you can believe in and follow Jesus' philo
> WillBo wrote:
> how about the odd similarities of the "Jesus" story, virgin birth, son
> of god, slaughter of innocents, etc.
So you bring up 2 issues:
1.) Did Jesus exist?
2.) Was he divine?
For issue #1, the consensus is yes. But to look at it from the other
direction, who would make up Jes
> Does that make me a "Grussian" because i'm fairly confident that you are a
> real person?
That's Gottian! (pronounced Goa-shen)
You Grussian infidel!
Kill the heretic!!
!_!
--
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"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
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> You may not be alone, but I don't think there are very many of you. Even the
> non christian faiths generally acknowledge the existence of Jesus, sometimes
> as a prophet...but at least as a heretic or rabble rouser of some sort.
>
> Your deity accounts were interesting. However, they would only
On 12/7/06, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm not debating the validity of the Bible's account of Jesus'
> lifei'm
> > wondering if he ever existed in the first place
>
> I say no, and I'm not alone.
>
You may not be alone, but I don't think there are very many of you. Eve
On 12/7/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Exactly! That's why I'd argue that you can be Christian and not
> believe Jesus was the Son of God.
>
How so? Just because you believe he existed?
Does that make me a "Grussian" because i'm fairly confident that you are a
real person?
--
Ha
> I know nothing of those legends, to be quite honest.
Here you go.
from http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
Hercules is the most obvious.
"Osiris, Hercules, Mithra, Hermes, Prometheus, Perseus and others
compare to the Christian myth. According to Patrick Campbell of The
Mythical Jesus, all serv
> Scott wrote:
> Remember that the divinity of Christ, and the Bible as we know it, are
> man made decisions. Reference the Nicean talks (conferences?) of the early
> Holy Roman Empire.
> While the existance of Jesus was never in question, his divinity was.
>
Exactly! That's why I'd argue that y
On 12/7/06, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Do you believe that Jesus never lived, Larry? And if he did, do you not
> > think he was crucified?
>
> There's a loaded couple o'questions...
Not really.
how about the odd similarities of the "Jesus" story, virgin birth, son
> of god, s
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> 12/07/2006 10:06 AM
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> To: CF-Community
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>
>
> Do you believe
> Do you believe that Jesus never lived, Larry? And if he did, do you not
> think he was crucified?
There's a loaded couple o'questions...
> Just curious.
how about the odd similarities of the "Jesus" story, virgin birth, son
of god, slaughter of innocents, etc. to the myriad of other legends
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Do you believe that Jesus ne
Do you believe that Jesus never lived, Larry? And if he did, do you not
think he was crucified?
Just curious.
On 12/7/06, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The old testament also mentioned whales swallowing men, Tiamat and giants.
> Does that mean they exist? Moreover just because someth
> Jim wrote:
> (I actually wanted to do up a nice big Darwin fish in Christmas lights on
> the lawn... my wife won't let me.)
>
I would say that secular decorations in the spirit of the season
(Santa, Rudolph, etc) would be all that's required. A Darwin fish
isn't a seasonal symbol and so it'd ju
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>
>I belive there was a man called Jesus, my proof is that he's metioned in
>more than one spritual text (The Old Testament, the Koran, and the
>Torah...Mike D correct me if I'm wrong...)
>Is he the son of God, I d
>
>I belive there was a man called Jesus, my proof is that he's metioned in
>more than one spritual text (The Old Testament, the Koran, and the
>Torah...Mike D correct me if I'm wrong...)
>Is he the son of God, I dunno, did he do some profoundly meaningfull and
>world changing things... the tex
On 12/6/06, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I live on the corner lot... I can actually see a Nativity scene from all
> but
> one of my windows - three from my front door. I'm not suggesting that
> they
> shouldn't be there - that's not my call at all. What I am at a loss for
> is
> how t
>"Atheism is a non-prophet organization"
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> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:33 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: mixed religion hou
brainiac walking on custard...
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> > Subject: Re: mixed religion hou
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> On 06/12/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You know, for all the
One of my 4 year olds asked her mom is she was born in a stable
yesterday. My wife said no and then asked why she was asking. She
said that Jesus was born in a stable and he was an important person,
and she was an important person too.
I guess inbetween yesterday and today, my wife has told too
My wife is Catholic and I am Agnostic. As has already been stated, I don't
know if there is a god, there very well may be. If there is an all loving god,
and we are his children, then I doubt he is so egotistical as to say that if I
do not worship him I must go to hell. Then again, we could a
On 12/6/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> yes, but I find little crosses excellent at holding up the light
> strings above the grass at the edges of my lawn. :)
>
If you turn them upside down, they work even better...
~~~
> Sam wrote:
> > which is why I'm Gnostic
> Are they like part Pagan part Christian?
> What proof do they offer?
>
If you follow Thomas, it's the pursuit of truth that makes the
Gnostic. So, in that regard, Einstein could be considered Gnostic.
For example, I've heard from Christians, American I
On 12/6/06, Wayne Putterill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 06/12/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You know, for all the shitty parts about Christmas, it still can be fun to
> > give and receive presents, to decorate a tree, make your house look festive
> > and inviting, etc etc.
>
> And
Soitenly.
On 12/6/06, Wayne Putterill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 06/12/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You know, for all the shitty parts about Christmas, it still can be fun
> to
> > give and receive presents, to decorate a tree, make your house look
> festive
> > and inviting,
I've taken the secular aspect of christmas and run with it. Like Jim
stated, it was a pagan holiday to begin with so it feels like I'm
taking it back anyway. I enjoy the heck out of the holiday. I like
the themes of peace on earth, goodwill toward man and when you take
religion out of it, I thin
On 06/12/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know, for all the shitty parts about Christmas, it still can be fun to
> give and receive presents, to decorate a tree, make your house look festive
> and inviting, etc etc.
And you can do all that without getting near any christian symbols -
d
From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:23 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: mixed religion households
> >
> > On 12/5/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > It would be great if people could jus
You know, for all the shitty parts about Christmas, it still can be fun to
give and receive presents, to decorate a tree, make your house look festive
and inviting, etc etc.
As I read Jim's post below, I'm glad that I'm at a point with my
"spirituality" (nod to Gruss), that I can easily reconcile
Haha. Now that just made me giggle. Perhaps it is because it is so late,
but I also think I will giggle again when I see it later in the morning.
Todd
> Then, the most intelligent "design parameter" of all, you've got a
creature
> that can learn the nuance of SPOKEN LANGUAGE but can't, sometime
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> On 12/5/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It would be great if people
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> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: mixed religion households
>
> I require proof. More than faith, more than belief. Prove it.
>
> And don't
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:04 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: mixed religion households
>
> thanks for letting me get that off my chest. :)
>
> feel free to chime in and te
ink she
> meant to be hurtful, but it seems to me that she believes my
> agnosticism to be defect of some sort. I didn't say anything about it
> last night, but it really did bother me throughout the night. I have
> a feeling that most mixed religion households would probably go
&g
> What proof do they offer?
they don't, just like any other religion.
religions don't offer proof, they offer faith and belief.
hence, no religion for me.
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"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
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~~~
> which is why I'm Gnostic
Are they like part Pagan part Christian?
What proof do they offer?
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Sam wrote:
> Does that mean theoretical physics is:
> lowest common denominator; a brainwashing technique?
>
Not sure how you'd draw that conclusion since I said that because
religion attempts to definitively solve a problem without data while
theoretical physics attempts to solve a problem with
Does that mean theoretical physics is:
lowest common denominator; a brainwashing technique?
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sort of. Theoretical physics is just that, theoretical. That is, the
> truth is certainly not attainable anytime soon. In this way it's like
> the sec
> Sam wrote:
> Find an expert
> or two and see if he or she can answer your questions.
>
I've done that for years! My first professor was a Jew, btw. Brutal
final from him too, one that I'll never forget. It had one question:
Summarize Biblical events from Abraham to Jesus. That was it. 4
hou
> gMoney wrote:
> OF COURSE! But that doesn't mean it doesn't
> acknowledge the existence of the other Christian sects.
>
Well, I should say accept. Catholicism doesn't say, "well, we're
fairly certain we're right, but those Lutherans may have something
there ..."
> Comparing religion to science
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christianity doesn't proclaim to be one interpretation, or
> school of thought, it claims to be the only one.
Yet there are many variations of Christianity
> And Catholicism, for
> example, claims to be the correct form of Christianity.
Do all
It's a good plan, really. My enemy's enemy is my friend and all that. :)
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> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: mixed religion households
> Importance: High
&g
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, to finding the truth, not to religion I would argue. For
> example, Christianity doesn't proclaim to be one interpretation, or
> school of thought, it claims to be the only one. And Catholicism, for
> example, claims to be the correct form
So it's the Atheists that start these wars :)
On 12/5/06, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then I think it is only fair that you two must fight to death.
>
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> Sam wrote:
> The priests, pastors, rabbis and whatever are professors that have
> devoted there lives to understand this
Yes, to finding the truth, not to religion I would argue. For
example, Christianity doesn't proclaim to be one interpretation, or
school of thought, it claims to be the only
> cRay wrote:
> Then I think it is only fair that you two must fight to death.
>
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> See now that part wasn't in my b
See now that part wasn't in my bible :)
On 12/5/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a few
> pages in the middle that discuss the life of one really cool dude, who some
> people think was the Son of God.
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On 12/5/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It would be great if people could just read a bible once and get it,
> but I doubt that's even possible.
>
I read a bible once, and got it:
It's a terrific old book with some very valuable lessons. There's a few
pages in the middle that discuss the l
On 12/5/06, loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unitarian churches are flaky as hell, we debated it for the same reason he
> is talking about, and attended, but seriously they are pretty lame.
>
I think it depends on which one. My mother-in-law is a UU minister.
I've been to services at 2 of her c
The priests, pastors, rabbis and whatever are professors that have
devoted there lives to understand this and share what they have
learned. If you don't like or believe the teacher change classes or
schools. However, do not condemn the entire system because you have
doubts.
It would be great if pe
> Sam wrote:
> Sounds like you want equality with the professors.
Whew. Yet again our routine is secure: I have no idea what you're
talking about.
All I'm saying is that religion begats tribalism which begats war.
But I am a social liberal so I believe that everyone has a right to
believe what
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That's a definite NO. We're still waiting for the Messiah.
But he is in the Koran as a prophet.
On 12/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I belive there was a man calle
Sounds like you want equality with the professors.
You are there to learn from people that devote their lives to
understanding this, meaning they are not simple, and expect them to
step aside while a newcomer explains his theory.
They have bible study where you can raise questions and have them
ans
That's a definite NO. We're still waiting for the Messiah.
But he is in the Koran as a prophet.
On 12/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I belive there was a man called Jesus, my proof is that he's metioned in
> more than one spritual text (The Old Testament, the Koran, and the
>
> gMoney wrote:
> Your QED premature :)
DOH! It's not my fault! You were talking about the ... ah, never
mind. Back to the topic.
I get your point that churches can be good for people and/or do good
things. That's true because the basis of church is spirituality.
That is, the philosophical pr
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The fact is that the basis of religion is intolerance - people may try
> to ignore that part, but it's still the basis. And it's not a debate
> there: that's a fact.
>
> Want proof? Go to any "Christian" church and say you'd like to join
> but
On 05/12/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Finally, there's a difference between spirituality and religion. The
> first is admirable, the second is downright scary. Ray's friends
> sound like they're into the second.
My favorite quote of 2006 so far is:
'Religion is for people who are
ty
> Subject: Re: mixed religion households
>
> I think it's at least the norm of what my parents went through. My
> husband and I, on the other hand, are much more in sync.
>
> You could offer to go to a Unitarian church with the family - it won't
> upset your agnostic
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> First off, in case you don't know, I'm agnostic.
I myself am an atheist.
Raised Catholic by my parents, even went to Catholic schools until
> gMoney wrote:
> It's the very belief in Christ's divinity that makes you a "christian".
Really? Why? Why can't I believe in Christ's divinity but that he
didn't rise from the dead? Who's defined Christianity to so convince
you that there aren't 1000 forms of it?
As to those in church who don
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, they are all this way. For example, is there room in Christianity
> to question whether Jesus really rose from the dead as Thomas did?
> No.
That analogy makes no sense.
Is there any room among computer programmers for someone who does n
> First off, in case you don't know, I'm agnostic.
I myself am an atheist.
Raised Catholic by my parents, even went to Catholic schools until 8th
grade. I have many reasons for being atheist, not the least of which
is proof.
I require proof. More than faith, more than belief. Prove it.
And don'
> gMoney wrote:
> NO! It is at it's WORST, brainwashing. You are centering on the worst
> perversions of the various religions.
No, they are all this way. For example, is there room in Christianity
to question whether Jesus really rose from the dead as Thomas did?
No.
That is, to be part of the
> Hmmm...how did you convince your Baptist and Muslim friends to meet in a
> bar Don't they generally shun alcohol?
My grandfather used to say, "the drinkin'est, dancin'est swearin'est
person in the world is a Baptist outside of church..."
so maybe not so difficult after all...
FWIW, grandfa
I'm the last person to be defending organized religion...as I don't practice
and it does not suit me in the least...but here goes :)
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The same reason a bottle of whiskey is scary in a room full of
> alcoholics: it's a temptation to bring out the
> gMoney wrote:
> Hmmm...how did you convince your Baptist and Muslim friends to meet in a
> bar Don't they generally shun alcohol?
>
Good question for the next meeting! They never really seemed to have
a problem with it. Huh. Never came up. I guess they're just trying
to fit in. The bar
Hmmm...how did you convince your Baptist and Muslim friends to meet in a
bar Don't they generally shun alcohol?
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Z wrote:
> > "Hey honey, instead of a church, let's join the pub!"
> >
>
> On a routine basis I get together with a group of f
> Z wrote:
> "Hey honey, instead of a church, let's join the pub!"
>
On a routine basis I get together with a group of friends of different
religions to, well, argue. We do it at a pub called Jake's so we call
it "afternoon service at Jake's".
> gMoney wrote:
> Why is spirituality "admirable" while religion is "scary"? Is it because you
> are spiritual but not religious?
>
The same reason a bottle of whiskey is scary in a room full of
alcoholics: it's a temptation to bring out the worst in yourself.
Spirituality is an exploration of th
"Hey honey, instead of a church, let's join the pub!"
On 12/5/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/5/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think this is one of the reasons why I like the U.K. so much. In
> > the pubs, the overwhelming majority of people seemed agno
On 12/5/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think this is one of the reasons why I like the U.K. so much. In
> the pubs, the overwhelming majority of people seemed agnostic or
> atheist.
>
You know, this is one of the primary reasons why many "spiritual" people
join churches...
On 12/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Finally, there's a difference between spirituality and religion. The
> first is admirable, the second is downright scary. Ray's friends
> sound like they're into the second.
>
Why is spirituality "admirable" while religion is "scary"? Is it b
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> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:04 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: mixed religion households
> > Importance: High
> >
> > First off, in case you don't know, I'm agnostic. Agnostic in the
> > sense that I can&#x
Weirdly enough, they are not. They are your everyday believers,
holiday-church-goer types. I think it is just the thought that I don't
believe alongside them in their eyes means I'm going to hell, end of
discussion.
Wait, I think I did just describe what you were talking about. Never mind.
:)
> Z wrote:
> this might just be a happy medium. I do think my wife wants the
> fellowship of a church setting, but I don't want to be in a room
> filled with people who would burn me at the stake if they knew my
> beliefs :)
>
An interesting question for your wife would be whether she's spiritual
and props to the Pogues!
On 12/5/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > --
> > > "You scumbag, you maggot
> > > You cheap lousy faggot
> > > Happy christmas your arse
> > > I pray God its our last"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> Deanna wrote:
> You could offer to go to a Unitarian church with the family - it won't
> upset your agnostic sensibilities, yet will allow your wife to honor
> her belief system as well. It's a nice balance.
>
Also I think the discussion is worth having again (but that's how I
am) if only to exp
ook back on my catholic upbringing as a wasted
> > effort at brainwashing. The conversation ended with this remark,
> > "Let's not talk about this anymore, this is something I'm not proud
> > of"ouch! That was a dagger.
> >
> > The conversatio
g as a wasted
> > effort at brainwashing. The conversation ended with this remark,
> > "Let's not talk about this anymore, this is something I'm not proud
> > of"ouch! That was a dagger.
> >
> > The conversation wasn't heated at all
By the way, you should watch Studio 60...
> -Original Message-
> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:04 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: mixed religion households
> Importance: High
>
> First off, in case you
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