Nothing you can say can convince me that this schmuck is a 'victim'. It
belittles the term when we throw it around so freely. He was being
belligerent, and probably trying to show off for some of his liberal friends
and fighting the 'system'.
I think its safe to assume that someone who is in
Scott wrote:
Once again, don't criticize until or unless you have walked a mile in their
shoes.
Their job is to enforce the law and serve the people. If they can't
handle that job without using excessive and unnecessary force as was
clear in this case, then they need to find a new job.
And,
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Nuking the politics for a better last 5 years.
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From: Scott Stroz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
Nothing you can say can convince me
observation.
As for kittens, Britney showing some kitty on the wwtdd.com home page.
Sweater puppies an added bonus. :)
-Original Message-
From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:52 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:52 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
On a side, I was just thinking yesterday that I remember when this list
was
about almost everything but politics. It's now what every other posting
is
about and it annoys the heck out of me
Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: more civil rights goodness
Welcome to the new CF-Community. All politics, all the time. At least,
those seem to be the stickiest of all the threads.
Funny how
civil rights goodness
As for kittens, Britney showing some kitty on the wwtdd.com home page.
Sweater puppies an added bonus. :)
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Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting,
up-to-date
Hrm, looks like the site crashed - it should be back up soon.
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From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:26 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
Importance: High
404!!! Ack.and i'm all excited
Hrm, looks like the site crashed - it should be back up soon.
It seems to be getting a bit of traffic. I wonder why?
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Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
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Actually the worst offender never even used it, his co-workers did.
But I'm not naming names:)
On 11/28/06, Todd Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wait. I am out of the loop, obviously, but what traitors among us no longer
use CF? Show yourselves and prepare a good explanation!
Actually the worst offender never even used it, his co-workers did.
But I'm not naming names:)
There's no fifth amemdment protections here, Sam.
;-)
--
will
If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable.
- Carrie Fisher
Since 2.0 baby and still using :)
On 11/28/06, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually the worst offender never even used it, his co-workers did.
But I'm not naming names:)
There's no fifth amemdment protections here, Sam.
;-)
Since 2.0 baby and still using :)
Well done. Since 4.0 myself, having converted from Server-Side
JavaScript and Netscape Servers, nigh on 10 years ago.
/me happily returns Sam's card and offers the secret handshake...while
surreptitiously pushing the completely legal and otherwise harmless
Since version 1.5 for me, I still remember the day the IT manager tossed the
disks on my desk and said do something with this :)
Duane
-Original Message-
From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: more civil
I beg to differ. I think its all about politics. My problem is not so much
with the fact that people are coming down on the police, rather that some of
the same people being vocal about how they handled this would be outraged if
this guy was actually doing something criminal and the police let
Todd wrote:
The kid won't show
his ID. He is obviously guilty of .. something. Apply punishment.
There will be a 11 PM curfew at the library. Violators will be tazerd on
sight.
Heh, yeah, exactly.
Where did all of the love go?
Well, hopefully it's not political to say that it's a sign
the bestest president ever. ;)
- Original Message -
From: Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
Where did all of the love go?
Well, hopefully it's not political to say
cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
I beg to differ. I think its all about politics. My problem is not so
much
with the fact that people are coming down on the police, rather that some
of
the same people being vocal
Scott wrote:
the same people being vocal about how they handled this would be outraged if
this guy was actually doing something criminal and the police let him get
away.
But then that's the whole point. The police could've gotten the same
outcome - suspect in custody - without the force
wow do you ever get tired of a black and white view of things like
that? I walk around without my driver's license all the time. Today
for instance I took the bus, as unAmerican as that may be. I can
assure you that all I'm doing right now is trying to pass the CCNA and
set up a couple of
-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
Nothing you can say can convince me that this schmuck is a 'victim'. It
belittles the term when we throw it around so freely. He was being
belligerent, and probably
hey I'd vote for you, since Tim refuses to run. Lord knows we need
something. Pelosi seems determined to make the K street kids look like
posers.
I still think I would bet the bestest president ever. ;)
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Introducing the
-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
I beg to differ. I think its all about politics. My problem is not so
much
with the fact that people are coming down on the police, rather that some
of
the same people being vocal about
Dana wrote:
I'll take a muffin dammit. I'm feeling picked on. I need to pass a lab
test tomorrow.
Good Luck Dana!! Here's a good luck muffin. Chocolate prior to a
test is proven to increase performance.
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Introducing the
, 2006 1:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
Since 2.0 baby and still using :)
Well done. Since 4.0 myself, having converted from Server-Side
JavaScript and Netscape Servers, nigh on 10 years ago.
/me happily returns Sam's card and offers the secret handshake
thank you. You're all right. I don't care *what* Sam says about you.
On 11/28/06, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dana wrote:
I'll take a muffin dammit. I'm feeling picked on. I need to pass a lab
test tomorrow.
Good Luck Dana!! Here's a good luck muffin. Chocolate prior to a
Dana wrote:
Mostly they do a pretty nice job at a difficult job and I have known a few.
I agree, but I'm going to submit something controversial: there is no altruism.
While it's true that, for example, Mother Theresa got her reward by
helping others - which is much better than by hurting
I suspect, from my talks with them, that cops are in it for the thrill
of the chase. I wished the cops at the coffeeshop happy hunting as
they left to set up a DWI checkpoint Saturday and they seemed to think
that was appropriate.
And I have no problem with that. Some people need to be hunted.
You have never made a poor judgment call? Ever?
On 11/28/06, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott wrote:
the same people being vocal about how they handled this would be
outraged if
this guy was actually doing something criminal and the police let him
get
away.
But then
..
The amount of force used to detain the kid was very disproportional to
what
was actually needed.
And this assessment is based on how many years of law enforcement
experience?
Once again, I do not think anyone who has not had the experience can make an
accurate assessment.
Scott Stroz
I'm sure he has. I have made more than one, for sure. And they had
consequences. The *kid* made a poor judgement. We all do. But you seem
to be saying that these cops, because they are cops, should be exempt
from that. Why?
On 11/28/06, Scott Stroz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have never made a
I am not saying they are exempt from that because they are cops, I am saying
I don't think it was poor judgment on their part.
Cops are human, as such, they are expected to make mistakes (regardless of
what Guss thinks). However, I don't think this was one of those times.
On 11/28/06, Dana
Scott, all I can think is that you are taking this personally because
you have been in the field or have family who have.
You don't need law enforcement experience to recognize that incident
as over the top. Do you need entertainment experience to know that
Michael Richards lost it? Social work
I worked as a paramedic for 14 years. In that time I worked with hundreds
of police officers and became friends with quite a few. I would say that a
small percentage of them were in it 'for the thrill'. Most were in it
because they were good people who wanted to pursue a noble profession. The
ok. I disagree. I don't think either of us will convince the other.
Dana
On 11/28/06, Scott Stroz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not saying they are exempt from that because they are cops, I am saying
I don't think it was poor judgment on their part.
Cops are human, as such, they are expected
I wasn't trying to convince you otherwise, if it appeared that way, forgive
me.
Police work is a dangerous, high profile, often thankless, job. I only wish
that some not be so quick to pass judgment.
On 11/28/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ok. I disagree. I don't think either of us will
there is nothing wrong with being in it for the thrill. I am not
passing judgement when I say that. Some people do need to be hunted
down and arrested. With force if necessary.
I don't think this was a case where it was necessary. As previously
noted, we've established that we disagree on this
: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
snip ... worries me a little for what it means about
public perception of the freedoms America says it's fighting for, but
that's a different issue.
Laterz
Dana
Boo
On 11/28/06, Todd Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed. What worries me are all of the comments I have seen where people
proclaim that the kid deserved it. That line of thinking, wherever it
progresses from, just scares me.
:-o
- Original Message -
From: Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
Boo
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Introducing the Fusion
Scott wrote:
His failure to
comply got him what he deserved.
Um, no. A cop has no right to take any sort of physical punitive
action against you for refusing to provide ID. He can take you into
custody and if you refuse he can physically force you but that
physical force must be reasonable
they are entitled to ask him for ID as this is apparently the rule for
that lab. That's why I said they were doing their job (even if I
disagree with the rule). It's the leap from escorting him out because
he is refusing to show ID to tazering four five or six times that I
quarrel with.
On
Thank you Wayne,
It's so nice of you to take time out of your busy day to grace us with
such wisdom. It really helps bring the discussion to a much higher
level, so high that many might not even be able to keep up. What an
honor it is to have a genius on board to guide us when lost.
On
Pleasure!
On 27/11/06, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Wayne,
It's so nice of you to take time out of your busy day to grace us with
such wisdom. It really helps bring the discussion to a much higher
level, so high that many might not even be able to keep up. What an
honor it is to
: more civil rights goodness
snip
Let's say they did the
opposite and just let this guy walk out of the library and he wound up
being
someone who was wanted, or worse case scenario, he was involved in a
potential terrorist attack. If it came to light that these officers let
him
go, they would
On 11/25/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
::clears her throat::
I do believe the kid was being an asshole, but that is one of the
things that I have always liked about America... you can walk around
with out people demanding your papers all the time.
But, if you are an asshole and acting
Until or unless you walk a mile in their shoes, I really don't think you can
fully appreciate the pressure police are under. Let's say they did the
opposite and just let this guy walk out of the library and he wound up being
someone who was wanted, or worse case scenario, he was involved in a
On 11/24/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
not even according to witnesses.
And we all know that eyewitness testimony is 100% accurate all the time,
right?
--
Scott Stroz
~|
Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly
::clears her throat::
I was making the point that we are *not* relying on eyewitness
testimony. Watch the video. You can clearly clearly hear him say it.
Before he gets tazered a few more times.
I actually have a sneaking sympathy for cops. These crossed the line
though. If they were worried
Next thing
you know, they'll be tazering the board of regents for not increasing
their pay rate ;P
I know a few Board Members you could use a good tazerin'
:-P
--
will
If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable.
- Carrie Fisher
Scott wrote:
Until or unless you walk a mile in their shoes, I really don't think you can
fully appreciate the pressure police are under.
I get your point, but we're innocent until proven guilty. Maybe the
guy would've been a terrorist, but the price we pay for freedom in
innocent until
hmm maybe even a few members of this board ;P
what? You guys don't trust me to pick which ones?
I'm hurt
On 11/26/06, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Next thing
you know, they'll be tazering the board of regents for not increasing
their pay rate ;P
I know a few Board Members
No shit, this has nothing to do with civil rights.
Whether or not the guy deserved to get booted out of the library, I
don't know. But after all the shit he said... telling a cop to fuck
off, etc.. he deserved it.
It doesn't. HIs obviously refusal to cooperate is what mattered.
Except you
He took too long to comply.
Dude's lucky I wasn't the cop. Would'a clubbed 'em faster than a baby seal.
Tazers are for pussies.
**
Heh. Reminds me of a just shoot me episode with a tazer... poor Elliot =-)
On 11/21/06, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No shit, this has nothing to do with
not even according to witnesses. You can clearly hear it on the video.
As long as you believe the video, of course, but I see no reason not
to, off-hand.
On 11/21/06, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No shit, this has nothing to do with civil rights.
Whether or not the guy deserved to get
I must admit that referring to Jackass to support your arguments is a
definite step in the right direction compared to your usual sources.
Well done!
On 21/11/06, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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