you know -- I get tired of you telling me what I think.
Dana
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:27:53 -0800, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course he's going to try to spin it, but only you are fooled.
>
> Maybe you need to re-read what he wrote:
>
> ''If there was a better, more effective, or in fac
a lot of people seem to agree.
Dana
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:46:47 -0500, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In my mind, the guy still needs a whoopin.
>
> Jerry Johnson
> Web Developer
> Dolan Media Company
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/03/05 06:38PM >>>
> btw here's what the man has to
Of course he's going to try to spin it, but only you are fooled.
Maybe you need to re-read what he wrote:
''If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of
visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little
Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin
In my mind, the guy still needs a whoopin.
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/03/05 06:38PM >>>
btw here's what the man has to say about the matter himself.
http://www.colorado.edu/EthnicStudies/press_releases/ward_churchill_013105.html
btw here's what the man has to say about the matter himself.
http://www.colorado.edu/EthnicStudies/press_releases/ward_churchill_013105.html
Press Release - Ward Churchill
January 31, 2005
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In the last few days there has been widespread and grossly inaccurate
me
he isn't saying that.
he is saying the people who were already sliding down the slope into
evil were thinking that.
Geez.
Dana
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:07:14 -0800, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We were talking about Eichman. Don't compare him to everyone in
> Germany at the time.
> The three o
I think Eichmann was evil because he knew what he was doing, shrugged
his shoulders and said if I don't do it someone else will. He had the
means to walk away. I would say the means to tell someone, but I think
one of the shameful things about World War 2 was that especially
toward the end when it
We were talking about Eichman. Don't compare him to everyone in
Germany at the time.
The three of you are free to believe he was just a regular kind of guy
doing his job, maybe a little stupid.
I know that's not the case and I'm done discussing it. Especially when
you start comparing Jews to insect
::shrug:: This is a fine example of MITT, more Indian than thou, one
of the themes of Native American politics. The membership rules of the
Cherokee nation are a sore point for many Native Americans - you only
have to prove that you are descended from some ancestor, however
distant, who was consid
> Sam wrote:
> The implication of the Sherman experiment is that if people reflect on
> a moral issue before they are involved in it, they are more likely to
> behave in accordance with their consciences when that issue faces them
> in real life.
This is almost proof positive of the slippery slope
You have a good point but since disagreeing with you is part of my nature :)
What if you had time to think about what you were doing?
Eichman had years to realize what he was doing. Plus torture and
cold-blooded murder aren't the same.
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/practicing/decision/conscience.html
> Larry wrote:
> We are not all innocent, frankly in one sense
> we are all Eichmanns.
That's a good example. I also think people can "support evil" via
justification when their action isn't the evil act itself.
For example, let's assume that the subjects weren't asked to shock the
actor, but in
I'm coming into this late (and only very temporarily), but I thought I
had to weigh in on this. We are not all innocent, frankly in one sense
we are all Eichmanns. At least that what Stanley Milgram's research
in the psychology of obedience found. In a result of a series of
experiments on obedienc
Apparently not.
http://www.aimovement.org/moipr/churchill05.html
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:49:26 -0700, Dana wrote:
> as opposed to Churchill, who is Cherokee.
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> Sam wrote:
> I hope you can figure out how wrong the following is on your own.
>
Enlighten me! My point is, killing doesn't make someone evil; many
kill and are considered heros. Secondly, being part of a system that
was designed from evil doesn't necessarily make you evil.
For example, was
I don't think you need a genocide in your racial memory to say the
Holocaust was wrong. I was actually talking about the indians when I
said it was intellectual for me, as opposed to Churchill, who is
Cherokee. But I suppose the same applies. I do think it's *more* wrong
to deliberately and systema
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:02:42 -0600, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Of Mice and Men?
Yeah
I hope you can figure out how wrong the following is on your own.
> For example, are the bombardiers who dropped bombs on Germany evil
> because they knowingly killed civilians? Most would say no.
>
> What about
So you mention the famine when we talk about Jews as a way of saying
me too, or I feel your pain. That's fine. It's the way you throw it
out that I kept feeling you were saying "stop whining it happened to
my people too" or the holocaust was nothing compared to the famine.
Now don't go nutzo on me,
Sam wrote:
> Lenny needed to be put to death because he held the mouse too tight.
> He loved the mouse.
Of Mice and Men?
> There's no way get around the fact that he was
> evil and he was a Nazi.
>
I disagree here, but maybe we disagree on the definition of evil. To
me evil is someone who tort
I dunno, am I going to get called an anti-Semite for disagreeing with you?
Who is Lenny and what mouse??
Let me break it down real nice and slow.
Holocaust=genocide
Rwanda=genocide
slaughter of Indians= genocide
potato famine=elimination of a people through starvation=genocide
The Holocaust in
I wasn't angry about the potato famine. I do find it odd that when you
were talking about Palestinians being victims you also mentioned the
potato famine.
Lenny needed to be put to death because he held the mouse too tight.
He loved the mouse. Eichmann was not Lenny, he knew what he was doing
and
right. And how does this happen? To say that Eichmann had a family he
probably loved is not to defend him, imho. It's far too easy to say he
is a mass murderer and therefore a monster, because then he is
comfortably different from *us.*
Ted Bundy was the kid next door to most of the people who kne
> Dana wrote:
> Along the way it expressed some very complex thoughts about the
> capacity of most people for evil.
Someone already mentioned the "banality of evil" thing, but isn't all
of this similar to the topics of 2 famous books:
* Lord of the Flies, and
* Heart of Darkness?
In the first, G
Sam
Considering that you went from "angry about the potato famine" to
"anti-Semite" in the blink of an eye I don't know what to make of your
assertion that Heidegger was a Nazi. If so I am not aware of it, but I
don't know squat about the man. If anyone else knows I'd appreciate a
rational voice o
You don't know when to stop do you?
She was a Jew that studied Christianity and knew little about Judaism.
She was madly in love with Heidegger, her teacher and an anti-Semite
in the Nazi party. He's considered brilliant too. I'd call him an
idiot also if he weren't able to manipulate her so easil
well if you think she's an idiot defending eichman ahem there's not
much else to say. The Libray of Congress does disagree with you:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/arendthtml/arendthome.html
but what's a fact or two when you're being insulting? Btw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt
and
Dana wrote:
> a) you're taking this way too personally. You seem to assume that I am
> consumed with the need to torment you and believe me you're just that
> important in my life.
Go on and admit that I am.
> b) look up Hannah Arendt's "Eichman in Jerusalem." You have apparently
> not read it.
Sam
a) you're taking this way too personally. You seem to assume that I am
consumed with the need to torment you and believe me you're just that
important in my life.
b) look up Hannah Arendt's "Eichman in Jerusalem." You have apparently
not read it. It is not a defense of Eichmann by any means.
You found one idiot that defends Eichmann so now he's a poor victim?
Churchill's essay didn't offend me as a Jew but as a human, an
American and a NYer.
You just turned it into something offensive to me as a Jew by
sympathizing with him and stating that he was not a terribly bright
old fart who was
Eichmann is a little bit more specific as an insult. Since he was the
guy who made sure the trains to Aushwitz ran on time but was not
responsible for loading them nor for the policy that caused them to be
loaded, he didn't feel he had done anything wrong. Hannah Arendt
coined the phrase 'banality
Dana wrote:
> Of course the Newsday reporter exaggerated. The author did not call
> the people in the twin towers Nazis. He called them Eichmanns.
And what do you think Eichmanns are if not Nazi's? He represented the
worst part of Nazism.
> BTW what's defensive about bombing a retreating army?
W
Of course the Newsday reporter exaggerated. The author did not call
the people in the twin towers Nazis. He called them Eichmanns.
BTW what's defensive about bombing a retreating army?
As for what I believe... it's irrelevant. I consider the source. The
author is a former AIM activist who's best
Sorry I'm late, very busy today.
The word Nazi is used once comparing the US in a defensive attack to
Hitler in an offensive attack. That's not what the uproar is about.
It's about saying that the 9/11 was the best way to get back at WTC
and Pentagon workers for causing genocide against Iraqi chil
TED]> wrote:
> Too answer you question,
>
> I count 1 reference to nazi in the article. It was in reference to military
> tactics.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:42 PM
> &g
Too answer you question,
I count 1 reference to nazi in the article. It was in reference to military
tactics.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:42 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: possibly NWS - politically in
It really depends on how you do it, there are ways.
larry
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:10:32 -0500, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I personally wish it wasn't against the law to kick this guy's ass. Twice.
>
> Jerry Johnson
> Web Developer
> Dolan Media Company
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I personally wish it wasn't against the law to kick this guy's ass. Twice.
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/05 11:42PM >>>
Oh let's get all hot and bothered about something else for a while.
Sam, I am saying this as a friend, take two Valium first. But
Oh let's get all hot and bothered about something else for a while.
Sam, I am saying this as a friend, take two Valium first. But
On another list we're having sort of a stupid argument. Check it out.
Read the article. Then read the link and tell me how many times he
uses the word Nazi and what
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