Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Russ Michaels
Unfortunately Andrew things are never that simple. For every customer like yourself who wants this turned off, there will be 100 customers who want it turned on. Most people do not know about or care about the security side of hosting, and just want everything enabled which makes their life

Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Andrew Scott
Yeah I guess, but that is why there are log files so there is really no excuse. But how cost efficient would it be to just move those people over to their own server so they can effect themselves? And I would bet that it is these people who also turn off UAC on Windows and get all types of

Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Russ Michaels
unfortunately no host can afford to tell all their customers your better off elsewhere. It would not be cost efficient at all to give a shared hosting customer their own server for the same price, they would lose money, I doubt the cost would even be remotely covered. Both of hose solutions

Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hi, guys... I'm been running my first eCommerce setup with a donation page/form using Authorize.net. Things have been running fine, excepts for spammers using the donation form to find legitmate CC numbers so they could abuse the card in other ways. I've assumed, up to this point, that the

Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Andrew Scott
Russ, I never meant their own server. I meant put all customers who want the robust onto the same sever. But I did raise an enhancement with Adobe, where my suggestion is to have robust exceptions of by default and not be able to enable or disable from the CF admin. However if the customer wants

Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Dave Watts
I realize that if someone is hiring cheap human labor for $1 per day to sit and enter form info, that I can't stop that, but if it is bots doing the spamming, will making CF captcha more difficult to read have a good chance of stopping the bots, or do I need to get with reCaptcha. I like

RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks for the recommendation, Dave. It seems like an all-in-one approach, like CFFormProtect, might be the only way to beat this thing! I'll go check it out... Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:30 AM To: cf-talk

Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Raymond Camden
As an FYI, my blog never had a lot of spam, but it was pretty regular. When I started using CFFP, it dropped dramatically. I can't even remember my last spam comment. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Thanks for the recommendation, Dave. It

Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Russ Michaels
I would not think that is a cost effective solution either as there is such a small number of customers who would request to be on a secure server. We offer something like that called semi-dedicated, but it is more expensive. If CF had a web admin like Railo, it would solve all those type of

Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Matthew Williams
IF, and it's a large IF, but IF you're willing to maintain your own machine than a slicehost with an open source CFML engine isn't all that much more expensive than a shared hosting plan. For $20 USD a month you can have a linode running whatever flavor of headless linux that you want.

Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Leigh
Les Mizzell wrote: So, anybody know what this is doing? Allaire Cold Fusion Template Something similar came up on StackOverflow last week (possibly the same exploit). That guy said the old AB Positive Encrypt and Decrypt utility was able to decrypt the file:

RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks for the feedback, Ray, Dave... Does CFFormProtect actually submit a form? I haven't parsed through the code, yet, but I'm trying to determine if it just runs some tests for validation or does it continue on to submit the form. The form and processing I've code is quite extensive and

Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Raymond Camden
No, it returns a pass/fail type response.In your example, I'd probably add it after you do client side validation and CF validation, but before the hit to Authorize.net. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Thanks for the feedback, Ray, Dave...

RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Rick Faircloth
After more unsuccessful testing, I'm assuming that the form button at the end of the form needs to be an actual button with a type of submit to work with CFFormProtect? If so, this won't work because I don't use an actual button with a type of submit. The submit button for my form is just a

Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Raymond Camden
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: After more unsuccessful testing, I'm assuming that the form button at the end of the form needs to be an actual button with a type of submit to work with CFFormProtect? Not as far as I know. I'm a bit rusty on

RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Al Musella, DPM
I have just gone through this... A big problem is that the owner complains and the credit card company charges you a penalty and if many get through they can dump you. At first, I banned the IP address when someone tried 3 times unsuccessfuly. That worked for about a day then they would

RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks for the info, Al... It is a royal pain trying to deal with these hackers. I might just try a combination of two things: 1) a honey pot to catch the humans when it's empty 2) a captcha for the bots who, supposedly, can't read them Wonder if that would work? -Original Message-

Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Les Mizzell
One site of mine for a dance company used to get a ton of spam through contact forms. Everybody hated CAPTCHA, so I put a simple question with radio button choices: A cow goes? a. quack b. woof c. moo d. chirp VERY low tech, but believe it or not, we've not gotten a single piece of bot spam

RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Rick Faircloth
Boy was that a stupid, not-thought-out approach! I was so focused on separating the spamming humans from the spamming bots, I came up with a solution that wouldn't let human or bot submit a form, whether the human was a legitimate donor, or not! Duh! (It's been a long day... time to go to

CFEXECTE with multiple arguments

2013-02-11 Thread Pete Swanson
Hello, I can't get OpenSSL to run with CFEXECUTE. I've tried different attempts at the following but it doesn't work: cfexecute name = C:\Program Files (x86)\GnuWin32\bin\openssl arguments = aes-256-cbc -a -salt -in C:\Users\Dev2\Documents\My Stuff\OpenSSL\secrets.txt -out

Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Andrew Scott
Well I guess the ticket I raised is too late One can already do this cfset this.enablerobustexception = true / On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com wrote: Les Mizzell wrote: So, anybody know what this is doing? Allaire Cold Fusion Template Something

Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Al Musella, DPM
I came across an interesting way to get the country from the IP address.. http://www.mximize.com/getting-country-by-ip-based-on-geolite I might set this up and block non North American IPs... At 04:43 PM 2/11/2013, Les Mizzell wrote: One site of mine for a dance company used to get a ton of

Re: New Round of Exploits going on

2013-02-11 Thread Byron Mann
(apologies for the length) Russ, I can tell by your comments that you either have dealt with a lot of hosts or have worked or owned one. Well said. Having worked in the Hosting space for more than 10 years now, I can safely say there is absolutely no 100% way to prevent these exploits on any

Re: CFEXECTE with multiple arguments

2013-02-11 Thread Byron Mann
Often found it easier to put thing like this in a .bat file and run that with cf execute. Sometimes using the DOS 8.3 convention for the path to eliminate the spaces in the folder names makes the quotes less of a hassle too. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com On Feb 11, 2013

Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Byron Mann
A fairly inexpensive and easy to implement fraud screening service is maxmind minfraud. It's something like 0.005 per transaction methinks. Another method I didn't see in the thread was doing an email confirmation before performing the cc transaction. Like send an email to the user with a

Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net

2013-02-11 Thread Paul Hastings
On 2/12/2013 12:06 PM, Al Musella, DPM wrote: I came across an interesting way to get the country from the IP address.. http://www.mximize.com/getting-country-by-ip-based-on-geolite I might set this up and block non North American IPs... i would check w/your client first. not everybody