RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Damien McKenna
> -Original Message- > From: Russ Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > And yes, the argument is there for cost savings, etc. but the first time > you find yourself spending 2 days trying to make something work across > browsers using only XHTML and CSS when you could have performed the sam

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Damien McKenna
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Do you serve different style sheets or pages depending on > the browser and version? How many? Nope. I have one CSS file for screen display (and another for printing) that is designed for IE 5.5 and Firefox. If

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:16 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions > > How about that CherryOS for Mac Emulation! I don't know - how about it?

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
How about that CherryOS for Mac Emulation! -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions > -Original Message- > From: Dave Merrill [mailto:

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
Worthy of some consideration - thanks! Martin Parry Macromedia Certified Developer http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 February 2005 19:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions On

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Dick Applebaum
in the next few months... and you know what a sleek, sinewy Tiger will do when he sees a cow walk by (if he doesn't die of hunger/boredom first... ... just outrun him :) Dick > > > From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread dave
ubject: Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:10 PM, dave wrote: > dick, how is it coming with the new lil mac mp3 player/drive and > running cfm on? > > Dave If the new mac mp3 player you refer to is the iPod shuffle, then great! shuffle is a memor

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Jim Davis wrote: > > I actually think that the Mini look very nice - but in my case it > would be > exclusively for testing Safari. I'm personally very happy with my > Windows > PCs so I just wouldn't be using it for much else. Prolly doesn't make much sense for you,

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:10 PM, dave wrote: > dick, how is it coming with the new lil mac mp3 player/drive and > running cfm on? > > Dave If the new mac mp3 player you refer to is the iPod shuffle, then great! shuffle is a memory stick in 2 sizes: 1/2 Gig: $99 1Gig: $150 I am told that's very

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 4:54 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions > > On Feb 6, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: > > > Jim

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread dave
uary 06, 2005 4:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions On Feb 6, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: > > To peak your technical interest, OS X comes with most open-source > programming/scripting languages (plus some) pre-installed -- it's all &

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Feb 6, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: > > To peak your technical interest, OS X comes with most open-source > programming/scripting languages (plus some) pre-installed -- it's all > right there. > > I can't believe I typed peak instead of pique (earlier on the BD list I typed PUBIC i

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Feb 6, 2005, at 10:50 AM, Jim Davis wrote: > Not so much for me. That $500 dollar machine is really barebones: you > need > to add things (like a monitor, keyboard and such) and it still requires > dedicated space (us apartment dwellers have space at a premium). > > That doesn't even consider

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:55 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions > > On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:56 AM, Cutter wrote: > > >> > >>

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Marlon Moyer
; > -Original Message- > From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 February 2005 12:42 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions > > I've been doing intranet work for a while now, where the only browser we > had >

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:09 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions > > Thanks Jim, comments below. > > Dave Merrill > > > > - W

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:56 AM, Cutter wrote: >> >>> - Do you have mac, linux and pc browser test machines? >>> >>> >> >> Personally, no. I use Virtual PC for PC and Linux and trust to the >> graces >> of friends for Macs (since I can't see spending the money and >> dedicating the >> space for one

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Dave Merrill
I agree, but there are a few issues. - Tables are not good for section 508 compliance, or any other situation where html markup ideally has meaning, i.e., isn't just a layout artifact. - CSS positioning makes layout much more separate from content, which is important if there are designers who ar

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Dave Merrill
Thanks Jim, comments below. Dave Merrill > > - What's an accurate, up to date source of info on html, css, and js > > capabilities and quirks for a lot of different browsers and versions? > > The JavaScript and DHTML guides at MSDN.microsoft.com are pretty good and > inform you of which features

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-06 Thread Cutter
Jim Davis wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 7:42 AM >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions >> >>Specifically... >> >>- Do

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Dawson, Michael
Same here... I've lurked around some CSS-related newsgroups and even some of the die-hard CSS fans still use tables for layout and dress it up with CSS. I NEVER put in a hack. NEVER! I have never needed anything that bad to use a hack. M!ke >So I'm very careful with CSS, not to get into having

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 7:42 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions > > Specifically... > > - Do you serve different style sheets or pages dep

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Dave Merrill
Thanks for the breakdown Jochem. It seems like folks aren't paying a lot of attention to macs. Here around Boston, some biotech companies need mixed platform support, including macs. Not a lot of linux/unix, at least on the desktop where the browsers live. Ironically, I used to be a mac-only guy,

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dave Merrill wrote: > > - Do you serve different style sheets or pages depending on the browser and > version? How many? No. But I might serve additional ones for certain browsers (IE). > - Are you coding to W3C standards? Which one(s)? How much does that actually > help your pages be more univ

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Will Tomlinson
My two cents... I develop with Firefox and its validator extension, then fiddle with this and that for IE. Everyone should use Firefox for their browsing and I recommend it to most of my clients. Side note: I also like Thunderbird for email. It's proven to be preety nifty so far for me. Wi

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Claude Schneegans
>>- Do you serve different style sheets or pages depending on the browser and >>version? How many? Sometimes, you have to. Mozilla sticks closer to the standard and IE has some oddities for which you must find workarounds. >>- Are you coding to W3C standards? If you need some nice functiona

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Dave Merrill
Current windows versions only? Dave Merrill > I do all development for FireFox, then fix the little things from IE and > NetScape. > Thats the only ones I deal with honestly. > > > Dave Merrill wrote: > > >I've been doing intranet work for a while now, where the only > browser we had > >to

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Martin Parry
Macromedia Certified Developer http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk -Original Message- From: Russ Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 February 2005 13:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions Ultimately, he's mostly correct, but to be fair, not entire

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Tim Laureska
time -Original Message- From: Russ Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions It should be noted that Martin's actually talking about getting strong enough with CSS to understand when y

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Russ Unger
u call in now, you'll also get this great knife that can cut through aluminum cans--and more. Simply put, it's just not all the way there, but getting another person on board always helps. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Martin Parry
rom: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 February 2005 12:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions I've been doing intranet work for a while now, where the only browser we had to support was the one that came installed on company PCs. Have recent IE

RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Tim Laureska
can't comment on how they display in the other browsers for the reason stated above -Original Message- From: ColdFusion Developer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions I do all devel

Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread ColdFusion Developer
I do all development for FireFox, then fix the little things from IE and NetScape. Thats the only ones I deal with honestly. Dave Merrill wrote: >I've been doing intranet work for a while now, where the only browser we had >to support was the one that came installed on company PCs. Have recent

[SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-05 Thread Dave Merrill
I've been doing intranet work for a while now, where the only browser we had to support was the one that came installed on company PCs. Have recent IE's oddities pretty well dealt with, but looking at the wider world, I'm wondering how folks manage development for multiple browsers. I'm thinking ab