Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts To: CF-Talk Sent: Thu May 10 02:35:36 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Ben had a bit of a problem with Eclipse as the Chicago CFUG

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Andrew Scott
? -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts To: CF-Talk Sent: Thu May 10 02:35:36 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Ben had a bit of a problem with Eclipse as the Chicago CFUG meeting Monday...granted he had a buttload of stuff

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts
2 gig of ram...2.8 gz processor...in total about 1/2 terrabyte drive space... -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts
Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts To: CF-Talk Sent: Thu May 10 02:35:36 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Ben had a bit of a problem with Eclipse as the Chicago

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt is anything but a very modern machine. The systems I have worked on all had 1-2 gigs of ram. I found CFEclipse to horribly slow. At my current position

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread owner
dir and bam..all sweet. -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 May 2007 12:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Russ
operations. Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) I can't disable AV here to test that theory...all I

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Marlon Moyer
You could always use SVK to check out the project from your subversion repo. SVK doesn't use the .svn directory approach and in essence looks like an exported version of the project. On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Doug Bezona
It can be slow to start up, but I haven't had any real issues with speed once it's up and running. RAM usage does tend to be around 200MB or so for my install. This tends to vary depending on how many plugins are installed and views are open. It's definitely faster than Dreamweaver in almost all

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread owner
loading etc. We had to disable it in the end for the Eclipse dir and bam..all sweet. -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 May 2007 12:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) I

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Dave Watts
BTW...anyone have Eclipse installed on Vista yet? Yes, I do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread owner
Don't be so verbose Dave *grin* Any issues I should know about before i try it out again? I really want to check out the dubugger for CF8 :-D Eric BTW...anyone have Eclipse installed on Vista yet? Yes, I do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Dave Watts
Don't be so verbose Dave *grin* Any issues I should know about before i try it out again? I really want to check out the dubugger for CF8 :-D I didn't say any more because I haven't had any problems with it. Granted, I'm only using it for FlexBuilder and LiveCycle stuff, but if that works

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Andrew Scott
: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt is anything but a very modern machine. The systems I have worked on all had 1-2 gigs of ram. I found CFEclipse to horribly slow. At my current

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Aaron Roberson
1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite anothe component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I can revision the changes to that file and revert back rather than recode from memory. 2) I have an open source application, I have released

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On 5/9/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite anothe component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I can revision the changes to that file and revert back rather than recode from memory.

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Aaron Roberson
Thanks John, but I highly doubt my employer will send me to CFUnited (and I surely can't afford it). I would like to be walked through the process though. While it may be simple and straight forward for those who do it, I don't even know where to start at this point. -Aaron On 5/9/07, John Paul

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Aaron Roberson
I have been using (CF)Eclipse for a while now and I am really beginning to doubt the benefits of it over DW. Here are the things I do like about (CF)Eclipse: 1) It has never stalled or frozen on startup or at any other point of time 2) I love the Outline and Methods views (and it doesn't stall

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Matt Williams
On 5/9/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/9/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can I learn how to do the above. That is very cool stuff that I have neglected heretofore. At the risk of self-promotion, you could check out my class at CFUnited, which is

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andy Matthews
-TortoiseSVN-and-Subclipse -Original Message- From: Matt Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) On 5/9/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Aaron, The SVN manual is a good place to start, but it isn't that hard to understand as long as you follow the SVN recommended structure of /projectname /projectname/trunk /projectname/branches/ /projectname/tags then using eclipse to make it easier for you, get a plugin like subversive and use

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Damien McKenna
Two things to keep in mind with SVN: * Branches and tags are just normal directories within the repository, it's just a convention to treat them differently. Some software works within this convention, others don't care. * You can set up multiple, separate repositories in one directory, e.g.

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Yeah thats where reading the manual will help... BTW, I blogged this entry the other day and for those who want to see versions of code without using SVN try this. http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/5/9/Eclipse-hidden-gem On 5/10/07, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two things

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Aaron Roberson
Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and Damien. I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN repository but I have never created one myself. I guess I don't understand how I would use SVN for a live web application. Would I create a mapping on my

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Aaron, One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not. Never SVN production code, only development code. Now depending on where your production server is the best utility on the market is Beyond Compare, i would love an Eclipse plugin for this but I use it to only upload

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not. Never SVN production code, only development code. Andrew, Exactly what's wrong with using SVN with production code? Russ

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and Damien. I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN repository but I have never created one myself. I guess I don't understand how I

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Why would you? On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not. Never SVN production code, only development code. -- Senior Coldfusion

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Trunks checked out from Dev and Production? You can't be serious. On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and Damien. I have used Tortoise to

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Russ To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 09 18:56:02 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
May 09 18:56:02 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not. Never SVN production code

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 09 19:30:47 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Neil, But thats why you have a development machine, and commit from there? maybe I am just

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Russ To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 09 18:56:02 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cool, Still curious why Russ trunks a production server... We have a fairly large codebase, and it takes a while to check it all out. If I'm doing a small change (lets say a spelling change, etc). I can just go

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Greg Luce
I know this morphed into an SVN conversation, but the CFEclipse subject motivated me to try to push through the Eclipse learning curve again. (I've tried a few times prior only to give up after a couple hours of frustration). But this time I've made it 24 hours! Here are my findings: Installed

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Russ
3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try? Well Aptana was mentioned, and I have it installed, but it only seems to be helpful for css and html files, not cfm files. In css files it gives you great insight to css properties. Russ

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Doug Bezona
2. dislike tag-insight/completion when say trying to put an existing variable into a cfqueryparam. After doing the value and deleting the extra quote, then putting the quotes after the variable I hit space and no more insight for cfsqltype or other parameters. This does sometimes get flaky.

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files or merge what has changed. But I still wouldn't modify code on production, or even SVN production code. the reason being is that you also end up with all the svn directories there as well. But hey if it works for you... I

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Subclipse is evil, and very buggy... Go with Subversive instead its by far the better of the SVN plugins. Especially when you are using branches and tags, Subclipse has serious issues with that. On 5/10/07, Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this morphed into an SVN conversation, but

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Aptana is great for other things, especially JS, Dojo and other frameworks it knows about. No it doesn't know about CFML, but it would be nice if CFEclipse could somehow leverage of Aptan for inline CFML, JS, CSS etc using the Aptana insights... On the Aptana website there is a section with all

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
May 09 20:47:04 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Subclipse is evil, and very buggy... Go with Subversive instead its by far the better of the SVN plugins. Especially when you are using branches and tags, Subclipse has serious issues

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
a problem with it.. Ever. -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 09 20:47:04 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Subclipse is evil, and very buggy... Go with Subversive instead its by far

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
21:09:53 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) We have. But unless you use it to do branches and switching etc you may not see the problems it poses. -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Doug Bezona
On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have. But unless you use it to do branches and switching etc you may not see the problems it poses. We do use it for that fairly frequently, and haven't had problems. Not doubting that you have, our experience has just been very different.

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Aaron Roberson
2. JSEclipse, (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/jseclipse/) which I think is a better JavaScript editor than Aptana's, if only because you can highlight a portion of JS code in an HTML of CFM file, and select open in JSEclipse giving you all of the handy JS completion, etc. stuff, and

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have. But unless

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Doug Bezona
Interesting - my experience has been the exact opposite. I have found Subversive to be incredibly slow, buggy, and occasionally destructive of files. Shame too, because the UI for merging is much more intuitive than Subclipse, but I have never had Subclipse do anything bad. On 5/9/07, Andrew

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files or merge what has changed. But I still wouldn't modify code on production, or even SVN production code. the reason being is that you

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
I use SQL Explorer and found that better than QuatumDB, not sure why though its been a year since I last looked at quantumDB... I know the java guys here use QuantumDb though. On 5/10/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. JSEclipse, (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/jseclipse/)

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
: Andrew Scott To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 09 20:43:40 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files or merge what has changed. But I still wouldn't modify code on production

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Greg Luce
Great stuff Doug! That'll keep me busy. Previously I thought someone mentioned CFEclipse running a small footprint in RAM. Mine is running at 210M! I have another Gig of RAM on order, but it's quite a bit of a change from the 14M of Homesite. Greg On 5/9/07, Doug Bezona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files or merge what has changed. But I still wouldn't modify code on production, or even SVN production code. the reason being is that you also end up

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) It all depends on what you deem production

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
May 09 21:44:23 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Neil, If that was directed at me, I posted that right above yours about exporting code from SVN without the svn directories.. On 5/10/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Greg Luce To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed May 09 21:35:41 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Great stuff Doug! That'll keep me busy

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Neil, If that was directed at me, I posted that right above yours

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Doug Bezona wrote: Interesting - my experience has been the exact opposite. I have found Subversive to be incredibly slow, buggy, and occasionally destructive of files. Shame too, because the UI for merging is much more intuitive than Subclipse, but I have never had Subclipse do anything

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andrew Scott
dificult to not do what your doing. On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Eric Roberts
think it is a great idea...just not ready for primetime yet. Eric -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Great stuff

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On 5/9/07, Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great stuff Doug! That'll keep me busy. Previously I thought someone mentioned CFEclipse running a small footprint in RAM. Mine is running at 210M! I have another Gig of RAM on order, but it's quite a bit of a change from the 14M of Homesite.

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-08 Thread Casey Dougall
Thanks Sean, While I'm very interested in svn, just going to take some time to figure out how it's going to work with our site load... Read below for some additional comments. Again thanks for your comments... On 5/8/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/7/07, Casey Dougall [EMAIL

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-08 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Sean, What happens when it's one of our older sites we haven't created a repository for? Import it into SVN. It may take a while but you can do it overnight and make the change the next day (think that's too slow - see above). Or you can be proactive and just start importing old sites now.

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-08 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Casey, Ha... Think it's time to start looking at Terabyte Drives... Because that's what its going to take. Maybe not when we are setting up the sites but by years end or end of 2008 after we have rounds and rounds of edits... We're also talking lots of sites. SVN will use a lot less disk space

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-08 Thread Peterson, Chris
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Casey, Ha... Think it's time to start looking at Terabyte Drives... Because that's what its going to take. Maybe not when we

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-08 Thread Casey Dougall
Another reason not to buy Dreamweaver CS3 KTML for Dreamweaver Forum :: Is KTML dead and gone? * http://tinyurl.com/2hzegp* I enjoyed using ktml in projects. While it had some little hiccups from time to time setting up, I found the frontend to work well on most html input areas. So with the

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-08 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/8/07, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We log the request as we're talking with them. We have a task management system that's really tricked out. OK. You had me worried for a while :) Thanx for explaining how you actually work because I didn't get any of that from your original

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 01:15:50 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) I LOVE Dreamweaver, Love it!!! But while I might

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Will Tomlinson
damn all this cfeclipse talk is gonna force me to start usin it! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
And you might never look back On 5/7/07, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn all this cfeclipse talk is gonna force me to start usin it! ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 11:20:16 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) damn all this cfeclipse talk is gonna force me to start usin

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 11:20:16 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) damn all this cfeclipse talk is gonna force me to start usin it! ~| Upgrade to Adobe

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) And as Neil stated its a wonderful platform, that can be extended to do many things. The beauty about that is that it has a backbone of great tools that not one other IDE can ever come close

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dawson, Michael wrote: Damnit! OK. You got me interested again. However, I found little online assistance (for dummies) on setting up CFE projects with an existing web site. In fact, I once deleted my entire web site when all I wanted to do was remove a project. That sort of pissed me

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
to the right solution? Thanks! -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) And as Neil stated its a wonderful platform, that can

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/7/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I like about it is the fact from a TDD point of view, no other CF tool besides Flex builder (aka eclipse anyway) supports Test Driven Development with full SVN integration, and tools that support jira, Bugzilla etc with Tasks that can

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
I can imagine that. When you delete a project, Eclipse asks you whether you want to delete the contents or not. If I answered wrongly I would be angry with myself too. Yep. I'm sure it did it, but I was certain I picked the correct option. ;-) What exactly does the version control solution have

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dawson, Michael wrote: What exactly does the version control solution have to do with SQL? You want to store your repository in a SQL database? You want to version your SQL schema? I think I remember seeing one repository that was stored in a SQL database. Is it only the metadata that is

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
Except the new framework doesn't work for me... Oh well, it is alpha after all. On 5/8/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/7/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I like about it is the fact from a TDD point of view, no other CF tool besides Flex builder (aka

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Doug Bezona
Now, I'm looking into better source control for me and my other web developer. I'm a PC. He's a Mac. Sounds like CFE is perfect for that. However, CFE needs to be pretty good since he prefers quick little HTML editors and doesn't quite have the mindset of source/versioning. You need to

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Rick Faircloth
Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Now, I'm looking into better source control for me and my other web developer. I'm a PC. He's a Mac. Sounds like CFE is perfect for that. However, CFE needs to be pretty good since he prefers quick little HTML editors

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Big Mad Kev
Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) The question I have on this topic is would I, as an individual developer, benefit from source control, or is this something only teams of developers need to worry about. I can see versioning being useful

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 19:09:11 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) The question I have on this topic is would I, as an individual developer, benefit from source control, or is this something only teams of developers need to worry

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Rick Faircloth
://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 19:09:11 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) The question I have on this topic is would I, as an individual developer, benefit from source

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Doug Bezona
] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Now, I'm looking into better source control for me and my other web developer. I'm a PC. He's a Mac. Sounds like CFE is perfect

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
-Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 19:57:10 2007 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Are you referring to source control in a versioning sense? I don't have to worry about conflicts with someone checking out my

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Versions in the way of what you have done, how to get back, backup source. Version control ~filenameBAK070507.cfm setup a hook in application.cfc that doesn't allow access to files with ~

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 20:23:28 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Versions

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
May 07 20:36:08 2007 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Eh? I am not talking about true control of versions, branching, rollback/promote. I am not really sure what application.cfc has to do with it? This e-mail is from Reed

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dave Watts
~filenameBAK070507.cfm setup a hook in application.cfc that doesn't allow access to files with ~ That's nice, until you realize you want to roll back the entire application to where it was last Tuesday, or until you want to branch code, etc, etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
It can and its really your choice, but let me say this with 2 scenarios as a lone developer. 1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite anothe component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I can revision the changes to that file and revert back

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
hehe, Thats the funniest piece of development I have seen in a long time Remind me to blog about how stupid of an idea that actually is. On 5/8/07, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Versions in the way of what you

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Casey Dougall wrote: On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Versions in the way of what you have done, how to get back, backup source. Version control ~filenameBAK070507.cfm setup a hook in application.cfc that doesn't allow access to files with ~ So if you want to get all the

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Casey Dougall
So if you want to get all the changes between the version that was in test at 2006-05-13 12:46:13 and the version that was in production at 2006-04-17 11:34:53 and apply them to the version that you have in development now, how would you do that? Jochem Yeah, not going to happen. I can

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Max Hamby
Andrew, this is the second post that I have read in as many days (the other was the frameworks thread) where you have come into the discussion throwing a lot of attitude around. If you've got something constructive to add, I would love to hear from you. Otherwise, keep it to yourself or

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
Some source control solutions can store the repository in a database. But before we start another round of name-dropping, is that something you *want*? It's not a requirement at all. I was mainly looking for something that ran on Windows 2003 Server and didn't require much else. It appears

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) Some source control solutions can store the repository in a database

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks) -Original Message- From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Andrew Scott
Max, Serioulsy you have no idea how common that is, I guess my attempted humour was way off. I had already read the other posts, and they had said enough and I had no more really to add. But I was serious about blogging the downsides to it. I thought that would be just as helpful to others

Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On 5/7/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Russ. I'll dig into SVN a bit more. I really don't need a secure connection. I'm happy with FTP. If I need secure, then I'll just VPN into our network. Yeah, good luck with that. Fresh install eclipse, cfeclipse. Created a ftp

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