On 31 January 2013 01:11, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe I'm crazy, but if a developer doesn't know how to install ColdFusion,
or install a web server, than they aren't a web developer. (And they can
learn to this in one hour.) I have _never_ seen an org where IT was
They are some very good points Adam, but one has to ask would there not be,
considering that there was an actual number mentioned, at least one or two
Senior guys who could?
If not why not...
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Andrew... most of my brain is still influenza-ridden or ejected into
tissues and has been discarded at some stage over the last few days.
So... err... *huh*?
Sorry mate, am not trying to be obtuse, but I'm just not able to connect
your dots today.
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On 31 January 2013 10:52, Andrew
Wasn't this in regards to the the lack of experience in the original thread?
He seemed to indicate there was like 50+ developers, you would think out of
that many there is at least 1 or 2 very smart people who could train the
other developers.
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lets not just tar cf developers with that brush Adam.
It really applies to all developers.
PHP developers are just as bad if not worse, in fact even companies who
develop and sell PHP software (whmcs.com for example) are at a loss when
you get server caused by PHP, they have absolutely no idea
I agree with Russ. We have CF, .Net, Java, and PHP all in our environments
and the majority of the developers don't know how install and configure.
The senior people do, particularly with CF and Java. I've only worked in
large organizations where there is a distinct group in charge of
I have contracted at a few large orgs where they have sysadmin who do
everything, and even they didn't really know what they were doing.
Here are just a few things I have found in such orgs (cf specific) :-
cf badly configured in general
debugging left on on a production server
log files, class
On 31 January 2013 12:16, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
lets not just tar cf developers with that brush Adam.
I wasn't mate. However I can only speak for developers I know, and the ones
I know are CF ones. Hence my wording. Which, incidentally, cannot really be
read as CF
All very true. Of course having dedicated sysadmin people is not *
automatically* a solution to CF server config. I was kinda meaning having
dedicated people competent at the task at hand. Which - fortunately - we
have here.
On 31 January 2013 13:02, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Adam Cameron
adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com wrote:
2. That said, I've found it reasonably common in larger teams (and in
companies that aren't just a specialist IT shop) wherein the developers
are
not special users when it comes to how they fit
But on their own machines, I'd imagine they should be able to install CF.
I would expect a designer to install Photoshop. (OK, maybe IT could
pre-image that since CS is so freaking huge.)
This has not been my experience at large organizations. People often
can't install software, period. That
On 31 January 2013 14:24, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
But on their own machines, I'd imagine they should be able to install CF.
I would expect a designer to install Photoshop. (OK, maybe IT could
pre-image that since CS is so freaking huge.)
This has not been my experience at
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