Amen.
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From: "Jeremy Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> It is not reasonably difficult to se
not like a virus has never been
written for *nix, or a worm, or a DoS attack, or bad code. It's a way of
life in IT.
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From: Toby Tremayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is rec
At 11:15 AM 09/26/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>the Microsoft people are FAR FAR MORE intelligent than these Open Source
>chaps and chapesses.
>
>Microsoft only has so many developers when the open source world pulls from
>unlimited numbers of developers all with there own backgrounds and
>experience
You saying its hard to get a MS Cert :-) I agree that for workstations
Linux do seem a good choice - but lets be fair a nice little Server farm of
NT or Unix cant b beat and lets be fair - Linus has an awful haircut
~~
Get the mailserver that po
operly.
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:41 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
>
>
> Replace IIS with whatever you want - but you have
Replace IIS with whatever you want - but you have to see it this way - if
something goes tits-up; Microsoft will and can help - the Apache group will
simply lull in its little "oh we hate Microsoft world"
On a side note I really wish people would stop coming down on Microsoft (and
no I am not
Larry,
I replied directly to you because we were asked to move this to
cf-community.
Rey...
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From: "Larry W. Virden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Check
from: Costas Piliotis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You know it's funny though. A quick search at www.securiteam.com shows that
> Apache and iPlanet have many vulnerabilities as well. Think perhaps that
> the research is simply political? Hackers seem to actually target IIS boxes
> likely for their ha
from: "Rey Bango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Replacing every IIS box makes absolutely no business sense and the cost
> would be astronomical.
Depends on whether it is replaced with a free open source alternative like
AOLServer or Apache or with it is replaced with a commercial alternative.
--
Never
more
> than anything else and its counter productive to the development community
> if MSs own software 'features and flaws' starts interfering with our work
in
> other way then just security (as the flash example shows).
>
> Benjamin
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
&g
Sandbox security for FTP, man about time:-)
Regards,
Andrew Scott
-Original Message-
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2001 8:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS! - IIS6
features
I got this in a
windows becomes flavour of the month!
Regards,
Andrew Scott
-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2001 5:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
Maybe a little OT, but my 2c.
I wou
From: "Rey Bango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> > My point is that you would have less exposure to risk running
alternati
he present]
[connecting people, places and things]
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From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:59:19 +1000
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> I've resent this email because it didn't
ity (as the flash example shows).
Benjamin
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From: "Rey Bango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> &g
I'll move this over to CF-Community and reply
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:35, you wrote:
> They were responsible for putting the Internet in the homes, which created
> a large number of jobs.
>
> At 07:43 AM 9/26/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> > > Look at all the good they have done.
> >
> >And what wo
They were responsible for putting the Internet in the homes, which created
a large number of jobs.
At 07:43 AM 9/26/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> > Look at all the good they have done.
>
>And what would that be? You listed all the things that they are already
>noted before?
>
>What good have they d
> Anyone know of a check list for securing IIS 5.0 in conjunction with CF
> 5.0?
Check this out:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itsolutio
ns/security/tools/iis5chk.asp
HTH,
Nick Bourgeois
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~~
Ge
ity and server
issues minimally. It's doable, but far from optimal.
Jim
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
&g
> ... do you really believe that IIS is as secure as apache etc?
No, I don't believe it is. The biggest security flaw with IIS (one that
can't be patched or fixed in the current releases, I don't think) is that it
runs within the SYSTEM security context - which is essentially equivalent to
runnin
Thanks dude! :o)
Rey...
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From: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> OK, sorry
>
Anyone know of a check list for securing IIS 5.0 in conjunction with CF
5.0? I think I remember seeing one for 4.0 some time back, but can't
find a link. I am not totally sure of everything I CAN "turn off" or
what measures I can take beyond keeping up with the constant flow of
"security patches".
OK, sorry
Gee, folks - would you please consider moving this to cf-community?
Thanks.
-Ben
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From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> PLEASE M
; To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
>
>
> > > Look at all the good they have done.
> >
> > And what would that be? You listed all the things that they are
already
> > note
Yeah, I noticed. hehe. ;o)
Rey...
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From: "Billy Cravens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:58 PM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> Hahah.
PLEASE MOVE THIS THREAD TO CF-COMMUNITY !
-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> > Look at all the good they have done.
>
> An
blah, blah, blah. I'm simply offering an opinion
as to why IIS seems to have a big ass target painted on it. Perhaps
Just call me Flamebait.
-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out wh
Any tips?
Respectfully,
Michael
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From: "Tony Gruen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> It comes down to responsible
> > Look at all the good they have done.
>
> And what would that be? You listed all the things that they are already
> noted before?
>
Nick,
He was being sarcastic.
Rey...
~~
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Here's the bottom line. microsoft product rules. but microsoft sucks. not
the other way around
>From: "Rey Bango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommendin
Hahah.. Too late
---
Billy Cravens
Web Development, EDS
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-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
Chris,
We're not ta
I got this in a newsletter today...He says IIS6 may be out by 1Q 2002.
IIS 6.0 is a complete paradigm shift; it provides an infrastructure
that installs security hotfixes by default. IIS 6.0 also lets you
download hotfixes and apply them automatically as they become
available.
IIS 6.0 includes t
All I can tell is that this discussion isn't about coldfusion.
Please move it to CF Community
-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
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From: "Billy Cravens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:43 AM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> At this point, this is probably true.
>
>
CTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> > For fun, the next time someone mentions worms and IIS, and how *Nix is
> > the best alternative, say three words: "UNIX. Morris. Worm."
&g
s grave indeed - obviously).
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From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> Lots of good point
> Look at all the good they have done.
And what would that be? You listed all the things that they are already
noted before?
What good have they done? And please don't say Windows... because that idea
just came from somewhere else!!! It was those said 'shady business
practices' that got
is better than..." thread.
Rey...
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From: "Chris Martinez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> Benjami
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
Benjamin that is one of the best analogies I've heard. But back to what
Costas was saying. Why has Microsoft become such a target? Sure they
release
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To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:43 AM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> At this point, this is probably true.
>
> The security landscape changes with time, and as professionals, we must
&g
inistration.
We have watched this come and
still going on without incident and several IIS servers."
Rey Bango,..,,
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From: "Paul Sizemore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4
these kind of bugs from being proliferated. :-D
Thanks
Jeremy Allen
elliptIQ Inc.
-Original Message-
From: Tony Gruen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
It comes down to
The problem is not IIS its self. I have IIS servers that I didn't install
any patches on and they did not get hit. They were attacked, but nothing
went through.
You have to make sure to take every security precaution.
Make sure your web root is not stored on the same hard drive as your OS.
Re
d - obviously).
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From: "Rey Bango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> Thanks for the feedback bud but
from other companies. But why all the hate? Look at all the good they
have done.
-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
Sure, I'm not s
celebate! hehe.
Thanks for the opinions, bud.
Rey...
>
> Benjamin
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Costas Piliotis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:19 AM
> Subject
> Maybe a little OT, but my 2c.
>
> ...
>
> I'm not a 'server' admin (by title) but I can thank MS for
> this. If they released a tighter web server with less
> vulnerabilities maybe there would be fewer viruses/hacks
> that could penetrate. People shouldn't need to have to
> patch every week
w *Nix is
the best alternative, say three words: "UNIX. Morris. Worm."
---
Billy Cravens
Web Development, EDS
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From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what G
w *Nix is
the best alternative, say three words: "UNIX. Morris. Worm."
---
Billy Cravens
Web Development, EDS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what G
It comes down to responsible administration. We have watched this come and
still going on without incident and several IIS servers.
Tony Gruen
sfnetworks
~~
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at
http://www.fusionaut
ose features on some of our servers.
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From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
Paul,
Rejoicing for a more secure product is certainly understandable but
G
]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> Maybe a little OT, but my 2c.
>
> I wouldn't call that stupid at all.
> Consider all of the attacks aimed squarely
My sentiments exactly, Costas.
Rey Bango...
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From: "Costas Piliotis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
k running alternatives
because they aren't a massive target like IIS is.
Benjamin
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From: "Costas Piliotis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:19 AM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gar
bject: Re: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
Maybe a little OT, but my 2c.
I wouldn't call that stupid at all.
Consider all of the attacks aimed squarely at IIS in the past few months.
It's only going to increase. I've had personal experience with being hacked.
I run
Maybe a little OT, but my 2c.
I wouldn't call that stupid at all.
Consider all of the attacks aimed squarely at IIS in the past few months.
It's only going to increase. I've had personal experience with being hacked.
I run 2 internal IIS development boxes for CF and an internal hack replaced
*ALL
ot;Paul Sizemore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: Check out what Gartner is recommending. Drop IIS!
> When I read this from Gartner I rejoiced; check out how MS is responding @
> http://www
When I read this from Gartner I rejoiced; check out how MS is responding @
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/21869.html
Paul Sizemore
Finish Line
3308 N Mitthoeffer Rd
Indianapolis, IN 46235
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