RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-19 Thread Vicky Rode
comments in-line: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kelly Cobean Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] Priscilla, Ok, you caught me

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-19 Thread Vicky Rode
comments in-line: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] At 5:30 AM + 2/18/03, Ken

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-19 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 6:19 PM + 2/19/03, Vicky Rode wrote: comments in-line: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kelly Cobean Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-19 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 6:51 PM + 2/19/03, Vicky Rode wrote: comments in-line: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-19 Thread Vicky Rode
hi, comments in-line: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] At 6:51 PM + 2/19/03

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread Larry Letterman
: RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] I'm loath to continue this discussion, but I do have a question for Kelly. Why do you have a VLAN at all in your example?? Isn't a single VLAN sort of like one hand clapping? Seriously, what role is it playing in your network

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
Vicky Rode shaped photons and electrons to say: see comments in-line: -Original Message- From: Stephen Hoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:20 AM To: Vicky Rode Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 5:30 AM + 2/18/03, Ken Diliberto wrote: The nit I'm picking is inline... (I'm feeling like chipping in tonight) The Long and Winding Road 02/17/03 06:13PM [snip] if I have a 75xx router with 300 ethernet ports, and I bridge all those ports, do I have an L3 switch, or a router? [KD]

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
. Thanks!! Stephen - Original Message - From: Ken Diliberto To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] Stephen, You're getting there. Let me give an example of how VLANs are used (I'd draw

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
. Thanks!! Stephen - Original Message - From: Ken Diliberto To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] Stephen, You're getting there. Let me give an example of how VLANs are used (I'd draw

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread Ken Diliberto
Priscilla, All I want is credit. :-) Some guy on one of the many mailling lists I frequent put it this way: (maybe not) Ken Priscilla Oppenheimer 02/18/03 12:06PM [snip] I think Ken's example is one of the cleanest I've seen. I may have to borrow it for my classes. [snip] Message

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Ken Diliberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Priscilla, All I want is credit. :-) if it makes you feel better, Ken, I always credit you with at least two cents worth I'm going to be visiting some of your compadres int the next couple of weeks. Dare I drop

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread Kelly Cobean
of the fact that the MSFC only has a single VLAN. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Hoover Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-18 Thread Ken Diliberto
Howard, It would be so much fun to not understand some of this up close. :-) Howard C. Berkowitz 02/18/03 06:42AM [snip] Does that make a 7500 with VIPs a L3 switch? A 12000 with distributed forwarding processors? Substituting router for L3 switch is a good idea, but go farther than

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Luca Ciasca
DEar Stefen, you are doing a bit of confusion: so does layer 3 switching require the use of VLANs to actually do the switching? It's true the contrary case: the Vlans requires L3 to be routed, or, in other terms, to comunicate each others. The L3 switching has no sens without VLAN Say for

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Vicky Rode
comment in-line: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] DEar Stefen, you are doing a bit of confusion: so does layer 3

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Stephen Hoover
so does layer 3 switching require the use of VLANs to actually do the switching? It's true the contrary case: the Vlans requires L3 to be routed, or, in other terms, to comunicate each others. The L3 switching has no sens without VLAN Right, I understand that inter-VLAN routing requires

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Stephen Hoover
Say for instance I have 2 hosts on the same layer 3 switch, but the two hosts are on 2 different IP subnets (No VLANs are defined). That's not possible! if you are talking about 2 IP subnet, than: - actually it is by doing secondaries, but i would highly recommend

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Vicky Rode wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... comment in-line: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require V

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread The Long and Winding Road
I've been following this thread, and have offered a comment or two along the way. Perhaps I should offer some thoughts here at the source. note that I have not read any of the exam study materials in question, so I don't know what is or is not being stated in the courseware. I can offer that just

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
This might help. What does the V stand for in VLAN? Virtual. VLANs are a method for emulating Real LANs in a switched network. The original poster seems disillusioned with VLANs. Well, I am too. :-) You can't do much with them that you can't do with a bunch of Real LANs connected by routers.

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread The Long and Winding Road
good for you, Cil. This discussion was ( and still is, to judge from my in-box ) filled with misdirection and poor information. Cisco and all the other vendors are absolutely to blame for this. a router is a function, not a device so is a switch. what does it matter where the function resides,

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Stephen Hoover
- actually it is by doing secondaries, but i would highly recommend doing vlans if possible. keep it clean and simple. one may also configure the physical interfaces as L3 interfaces - just as one might do on a router with several ethernet ports. Oo ok, now

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Vicky Rode
hi, comments in-line: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Long and Winding Road Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] Vicky Rode wrote

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Stephen Hoover wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... - actually it is by doing secondaries, but i would highly recommend doing vlans if possible. keep it clean and simple. one may also configure the physical interfaces as L3

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Stephen Hoover
Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] I've been following this thread, and have offered a comment or two along the way. Perhaps I should offer some thoughts here at the source. note that I have not read any of the exam study materials in question, so I don't know what

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Stephen Hoover
Oppenheimer To: Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] This might help. What does the V stand for in VLAN? Virtual. VLANs are a method for emulating Real LANs in a switched network. The original poster seems disillusioned with VLANs

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Larry Letterman
(Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] - actually it is by doing secondaries, but i would highly recommend doing vlans if possible. keep it clean and simple. one may also configure the physical interfaces as L3 interfaces - just as one might do on a router

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Kelly Cobean
a single VLAN. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Hoover Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] - actually

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Vicky Rode
hi stephen, see comments in-line: -Original Message- From: Stephen Hoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:20 AM To: Vicky Rode Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] Say for instance I have 2 hosts

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
- actually it is by doing secondaries, but i would highly recommend doing vlans if possible. keep it clean and simple. one may also configure the physical interfaces as L3 interfaces - just as one might do on a router with several ethernet ports. Oo

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Ken Diliberto
The nit I'm picking is inline... (I'm feeling like chipping in tonight) The Long and Winding Road 02/17/03 06:13PM [snip] if I have a 75xx router with 300 ethernet ports, and I bridge all those ports, do I have an L3 switch, or a router? [KD] You have a router performing L2 operations

RE: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
a single VLAN. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Hoover Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread The Long and Winding Road
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Hoover Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] - actually it is by doing secondaries, but i would highly recomme

Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-17 Thread Stephen Hoover
, February 18, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147] Stephen, You're getting there. Let me give an example of how VLANs are used (I'd draw a picture, but it probably wouldn't look good). For this example, let's use two of the colleges on my university

Does MLS (Layer 3 switching) require VLANs? [7:63147]

2003-02-16 Thread Stephen Hoover
I am studying for the CCNP Switching exam and it covers VLANs and layer 3 switching moderately. It states that Cisco recommends a 1 to 1 mapping of VLANs to subnets. It also states that VLANs can be used to break up broadcast domains. When you create different subnets, you are already breaking up