Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-30 Thread Stephan Michels
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Christopher Oliver wrote, On 28/06/2003 19.19: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... I'm really confused about this SWT thing. On my computer Eclipse feels slower than JBuilder. And I still have to understand what makes SWT so compelling

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-30 Thread Roger I Martin PhD
difficulties with replacing dtd's and applying schemas, etc. Is there any good open source endeavor in the area of editing XML? I like Bruno's pollo for the namespaces it is designed for. What I would like to see is a good client WYSIWYG editing system that works thru Cocoon services for multiple authors

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-30 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
good open source endeavor in the area of editing XML? I like Bruno's pollo for the namespaces it is designed for. What I would like to see is a good client WYSIWYG editing system that works thru Cocoon services for multiple authors(with permissions and say corporate associations) from different

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/28/03 4:43 PM Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The fact is that SWT is crap. Total crap. Pff, SWT is a thin layer on top of the operating system, everything else is native, therefore optimized and normally hardware accelerated (today's GPUs are gigaflop machines with gigabyte/sec video mem2mem

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-29 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote, On 29/06/2003 19.09: on 6/28/03 4:43 PM Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The fact is that SWT is crap. Total crap. This is a bit too much taken out of context I reckon ;-) It was made to try and show that saying that something is crap or not, things don't go far. Pff, SWT is

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-28 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Christopher Oliver wrote, On 28/06/2003 19.19: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... I'm really confused about this SWT thing. On my computer Eclipse feels slower than JBuilder. And I still have to understand what makes SWT so compelling and AWT so dreaded. Check out JGoodies' fake eclipse LF using

Parrot [was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means]

2003-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
copying the cocoon folks since we are getting pretty serious with continuations overthere (we implement them using a modified version of Mozilla Rhino, a javascript engine written in java) on 6/26/03 3:15 PM Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: [...] I still

Re: Parrot [was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means]

2003-06-27 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Question: do you think it would be possible to compile java source code into parrot bytecode? how would the limited Perl typing capabilities would impact that? http://www.astray.com/java/ -- !-- Matt -- :-get a SMart net/:- Spam trap - do not

Re: Parrot [was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means]

2003-06-27 Thread Santiago Gala
Stefano Mazzocchi escribió: (...) Wow, a VM with native continuations, very interesting. Question: do you think it would be possible to compile java source code into parrot bytecode? how would the limited Perl typing capabilities would impact that? The key piece is the validator. The Java VM uses

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-26 Thread Berin Loritsch
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: on 6/26/03 12:01 PM Christopher Oliver wrote: Another aspect not always noticed is the speed of the compiler. Because Java compilers don't perform any compile-time optimizations, they are significantly faster than C++ compilers. This is very important when dealing

Re: What hacks are going on in Cocoon?

2003-06-25 Thread Joerg Heinicke
Bruno Dumon wrote: If you have some time, could you compare the current behaviour with that of xalan 2.5 and 2.4.1, to see if this got worse recently? Hello Bruno, back to these bugs - we stumbled over them in our company, where we use Cocoon 2.0.4 and updated Xalan to 2.4.1. The pipe:

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
a sin to have something OS-specific. Again, the culture difference between java and python, for example, is that python has OS-specific features, java does not and will never. java is based on a common denominator. Python is based on giving access to what you have. note how apple provides OS

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-24 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Ted Leung wrote: ..cut.. - Organisationally xml and java are still lagging behind; but have been catching up (though the catch up has slowed down somewhat due to a much larger influx from the old school side; and that influx is by average younger than

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Steven Noels
filtered and therefore highly focused on what it means to be a member. Stefano's insightful post got me carried away to run some stats on members projects: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/001008.html Please comment if you care, but keep the thread on community (or cocoon-dev). I'd love

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Steven Noels wrote: Stefano's insightful post got me carried away to run some stats on members projects: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/001008.html I've always stopped short of doing just this; and more kept things limited to a pie diagram and postings/#of

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Ted Leung
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Steven Noels wrote: Stefano's insightful post got me carried away to run some stats on members projects: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/001008.html I've always stopped short of doing just this; and more kept things limited

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Steven Noels
On 23/06/2003 21:30 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Dirk is right pointing out how a specific frame in time tells you the 'position' but not the 'speed'. Luckily, social dynamics don't exhibit the Heinsenberg principle. To amuse the easily bored, here's 2002, 2001 and 2000:

Graphing (was: Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-23 Thread Per-Olof Norén
Steven Noels wrote: BTW: does anyone know some good Python charting library for this kind of charts? I've looked at PIL but it seems pretty low-level. Why not use python to generate xml files suitable for FINS, using cocoon to generate theese graphs? http://cocoondev.org/projects/fins.html

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-22 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: NOTE: copying members@ and community@ since this might be helpful to many people. WoW! - Excelent summary. Can we put this up somewhere on one of the foundation pages please, if need be as 'Stefano's excelent and balanced view' :-) Dw.

How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on the process and what it means for me. Note: there is current a debate happening inside the members of the ASF on the value and meaning of ASF membership so, please, don't take my words as the ASF truth (if there is one), but just as my personal opinion on this matter. Now, for the objective things

Re: What hacks are going on in Cocoon?

2003-06-09 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 10:38, Joerg Heinicke wrote: [...] Not remembering the LogTransformer I did the logging in the HTMLSerializer, but I get the same output using LogTransformer. And I saw XSLTC does not use any prefix mapping, but as you can see it does neither use URIs. How is it

Re: What hacks are going on in Cocoon?

2003-06-08 Thread Joerg Heinicke
Hello Bruno, Bruno Dumon wrote: startElement[ uri: '', localName:'xhtml:div', raw:'xhtml:div'] endElement[ uri:'http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml', localName:'div', raw:'xhtml:div'] if these are corresponding start and end element events, then this is obviously wrong. Yes, these are :-( And using

What hacks are going on in Cocoon? (was: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 20508] - [PATCH] Namespace cleanup in HTMLSerializer)

2003-06-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20508 Hello Thorsten, I applied your patch on my system and tested it. But it's even worse than without the patch :-( It's not your problem, it's because of extreme hacks I guess. My test stylesheet: xsl:template match=/ html head

Re: What hacks are going on in Cocoon?

2003-06-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
The SAX events startElement, endElement, startPrefixMapping, endPrefixMapping in Xalan: startPrefix [prefix: '', uri: '' startElement[uri: '', localName: 'html', raw: 'html' startPrefix [prefix: '', uri: '' startElement[uri: '', localName: 'head', raw: 'head' startPrefix [prefix: '', uri: ''

Re: What hacks are going on in Cocoon? (was: DO NOT REPLY [Bug20508] - [PATCH] Namespace cleanup in HTMLSerializer)

2003-06-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 00:09, Joerg Heinicke wrote: [...] Logging of element sax events: startElement[ uri: '', localName:'xhtml:div', raw:'xhtml:div'] endElement[ uri:'http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml', localName:'div', raw:'xhtml:div'] if these are corresponding start and end element

Who's/what is Yoshi ?

2003-03-25 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Hi all, The flow PetStore demo uses a yoshi object to hold a couple of utility objects such as a DateFormat. So far so good, but what does Yoshi mean ? I guess it's a Japanese word, but Google gives some funny results : - Yoshi the pig : http://www.slip.net/~atombee/yoshi2.html - Yoshi

Re: Who's/what is Yoshi ?

2003-03-25 Thread Christopher Oliver
such as a DateFormat. So far so good, but what does Yoshi mean ? I guess it's a Japanese word, but Google gives some funny results : - Yoshi the pig : http://www.slip.net/~atombee/yoshi2.html - Yoshi the iguana : http://users.erols.com/ziring/yoshi.htm - or is it the Nintendo game ? http

What is this?

2003-03-14 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Hi: I currently downloaded the lastest CVS from cocoon-2.1. I am using Tomcat 4.1.18. After a sucessfull compile of the sources. I noted the following: 1-If I install the cocoon.war into Tomcat, after this I shutdown it using ./shutdown.sh Please note that I already can see the working

Re: What is this?

2003-03-14 Thread Jeff Turner
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 05:09:16AM -0600, Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: I currently downloaded the lastest CVS from cocoon-2.1. I am using Tomcat 4.1.18. After a sucessfull compile of the sources. I noted the following: 1-If I install the cocoon.war into Tomcat, after this I shutdown it

Re: What is this?

2003-03-14 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Hi Jeff! Thanks for the answer. I was going crazy with this. Also I was trying the new 4.1.21 BETA for development purpose when the problrm starts. This is why I changed all back and trying to resolve this issue. Well, I looks like I have not Good luck when did the change. :-D Best Regards,

What is the procedure of applying patches?

2003-03-05 Thread Leszek Gawron
I have introduced one line patch over a month ago ( http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16695 ) and it still has not been neither accepted nor rejected ouzo -- __ | / \ |Leszek Gawron// \\ \_\\ //_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

what is the first servlet loaded?

2003-03-04 Thread Sylvain.Thevoz
Hello, When you run a Cocoon application, what is the very first servlet that is loaded? Thanks Sylvain

Re: what is the first servlet loaded?

2003-03-04 Thread Jakob Praher
Am Die, 2003-03-04 um 15.00 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, When you run a Cocoon application, what is the very first servlet that is loaded? Cocoon gets lauched via the CocoonServlet. take a look at org.apache.cocooon.servlet.CocoonServlet. That is the only servlet that is exportet via

What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repository changes... (and what's left to do)]

2003-02-27 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
I just want to keep on the tradition of writing mails that explain what cocoon is doing wrong :( We really should avoid action fast when this has a great impact on all developers and all users of cocoon, like renaming cvs repositories etc. Reverting things like these is more than a pita. So, we

Re: What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repositorychanges... (and what's left to do)]

2003-02-27 Thread Pier Fumagalli
you stop sitting on your ass and send out a patch to the mailing list, how can you do the same when what you wanted to propose is the CVS repository itself? My vision is pretty simple, you do it, and you keep it backward compatible, exactly as I did. All the old repositories, with all the old

RE: What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repositorychanges... (and what's left to do)]

2003-02-27 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
new repositores as part of your proposal? What will happen if I now check-in something only into the old rep? What will happen if I now check-in something only into the new rep? I don't see that it helps to create a repository to discuss how it should be named. So can we then simply start a proposal

Re: What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repository changes...(and what's left to do)]

2003-02-27 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Pier Fumagalli wrote: My vision is pretty simple, you do it, and you keep it backward compatible, exactly as I did. All the old repositories, with all the old branches, with all the old names, are _still_ there (the only unrevertable change is the fact that now they're owned by the cocoon group,

Re: What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repositorychanges... (and what's left to do)]

2003-02-27 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 27/2/03 10:30 am, Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, call me fascist if you want, but to avoid people to commit back to the old repository names, I've removed YOU ALL karma to the old repositories... (which, BTW, makes perfectly sense from a sysadm POV). Not to mention

Re: What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repository changes...(and what's left to do)]

2003-02-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: I just want to keep on the tradition of writing mails that explain what cocoon is doing wrong :( We really should avoid action fast when this has a great impact on all developers and all users of cocoon, like renaming cvs repositories etc. Reverting things like

RE: What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repository changes... (and what's left to do)]

2003-02-27 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repository changes... (and what's left to do)] Carsten Ziegeler wrote: I just want to keep on the tradition of writing mails that explain what cocoon is doing wrong :( We really should avoid action fast when this has

Re: What Cocoon is really doing wrong [was: CVS repositorychanges... (and what's left to do)]

2003-02-27 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 27/2/03 11:15, Carsten Ziegeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Stefano, Pier, all others, I guess we can simply stop this thread and go on with the proposal discussion. I had the perception that it wasn't revertable and that because all karma to the old repos was removed that is had already

Re: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-27 Thread Leo Simons
J.Pietschmann wrote: Leo Simons wrote: the alternative is to only depend on http://www.apache.org/dist/avalon/excalibur/latest/ What worries me is that excalibur depends on a class distributed with Xalan. which package are you referring to, and why is it worrying it depends on Xalan? Something

Re: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-27 Thread J.Pietschmann
Leo Simons wrote: which package are you referring to, IIRC org.apache.xml.utils.PrefixResolver and why is it worrying it depends on Xalan? I'd like to rip out the Xalan jar, put in Saxon, and start Cocoon without being surprised by a ClassDefNotFound exception. J.Pietschmann

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-26 Thread Martin Holz
. And what does released mean? One could argue that an alpha version is a released version ;) I would like to relax the policy a little bit to: Never release a stable version that depends on non-released stuff (where released version has to be at least stable in API). If I followed the policy

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
have all the same source that I discribed in two emails last year (about our community being healthy), but until today noone even commented my emails. So, it will be interesting to see what this RT will do. I would like to a add one more point: Most of us do not care about releasing new versions. We

RE: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-26 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
not put code in HEAD that depends on a unreleased software that *NEVER* made a 1.0 release. This will keep the contracts shaped up. Good point. Moving the SourceFactory to Avalon made a mess. This is what I'm mostly concerned at the moment. What is the status of this? I personally don't see

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: First, Stefano, relax - I didn't want to attack you directly. Don't assume that all my comments were hinting at something you did! Sorry but it looked pretty personal to me. Apologies if it was not the case. Moving the SourceFactory to Avalon made a mess. This is what I'm

RE: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-26 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
ON DEPRECATED SHOULD GO AWAY -- !--path location=${deprecated.src}/-- path location=${build.src}/ path location=${java}/ and recompile. You'll see what I consider a mess. Yes, I know. I don't necessarely blame the Source refactoring since it could well be that some

RE: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-26 Thread Matthew Langham
I want to know if somebody feels like I'm doing this but remains silent because of any reason. Perhaps because you are Stefano? Think about it :-). Matthew -- Open Source Group Cocoon { Consulting, Training, Projects } =

Re: Scratchpad leases (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jeff Turner wrote: What would removal of the Scratchpad force on the community? * More controlled innovation. Instead of anybody using it as their personal playground, it would force the development to be more in the face of the community. Hence schecoon would have been shot down in flames

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
dictator, no matter what great technical vision one is leading to. I hope this is clear enough. -- Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [William of Ockham]

cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread Leo Simons
ours. I don't really care who's to blame, there's just an issue needing fixing...though I support the search for the right policy :D If people that know both cocoon and avalon well can figure out what stuff in avalon it is that cocoon _really_ needs atm, and we can figure out what it takes to get

Re: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread Berin Loritsch
Leo Simons wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: (AltRMI is no longer part of avalon though; that's in incubator now) Of this list, if it is possible and sensible to remove the cocoon deps on cli, Easy enough. collections, concurrent, Both done--all that is required is a new ECM IO, I don't think

RE: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread Leo Sutic
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Recently on avalon-dev I expressed my concerns about their habit of moving stuff around for elegance-sake, but I'm starting to think that Cocoon is abusing avalon and this places too much pressure on their shoulders. Example: the instrumentation. The Cocoon core

Re: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread Leo Simons
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ah, the load, the load! I can't take it anymore action type=jump-of-cliff entity=avalon/ Aaa a a a ah! :D:D Just kiddin' :D LOL :) Anyone know the album cocoon crash by K's Choice? Sounds a bit different :D I have to be honest with you: I find the

Re: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
missing modules and install missing packages. Read the data definition material (http://jakarta.apache.org/gump/overview.html) on the gump site. Hmmm, I have 500Mb left on my harddisk :/ but I'll see what I can do. [I know, I know, I should buy a new laptop, but Apple is delaying shipping

Re: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread Berin Loritsch
/avalon/logkit/latest/ which currently points to LogKit 1.2. Hmmm, I have 500Mb left on my harddisk :/ but I'll see what I can do. [I know, I know, I should buy a new laptop, but Apple is delaying shipping the titaniums... I smell hardware upgrade on the 15 line] Only 15 ? Those 17 laptops look

Re: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread J.Pietschmann
Leo Simons wrote: the alternative is to only depend on ... http://www.apache.org/dist/avalon/excalibur/latest/ What worries me is that excalibur depends on a class distributed with Xalan. J.Pietschmann

Re: cocoon deps on avalon (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-26 Thread Leo Simons
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'm slowly working at finding out the internal dependencies of Cocoon core myself. Let's not step on each other toes. I wouldn't worry 'bout that. Me not cocoon committer, nor intending to become one :D cheers, - Leo

[RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
it on the head. It's called 'continous integration'. No, dude, I won't make it easier for you, I want it to make it harder so that everybody sees what you're doing and can improve on it. I repeat my proposal to kill the scratchpad enough for now. i need food. -- Stefano Mazzocchi

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-25 Thread Berin Loritsch
JVM. The Avalon team is also looking into this dependency ourselves. It is somewhat messy to require AltRMI for instrument (which we are looking to officially release RSN). why we depend on cornerstone-excalibur-thread*? That's what I asked a while ago. Scratchpad considered harmful

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-25 Thread Steven Noels
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I repeat my proposal to kill the scratchpad Totally +1, since it will hopefully also motivate people to start a project next to and depending on Cocoon rather than inside it. enough for now. i need food. Bon appétit ;-) /Steven -- Steven Noels

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-25 Thread Berin Loritsch
Steven Noels wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I repeat my proposal to kill the scratchpad Totally +1, since it will hopefully also motivate people to start a project next to and depending on Cocoon rather than inside it. Actually, I have a need to do this, and I wonder what the best approach

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-25 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
things around with core stuff, I *WANT* you to do it on the head. It's called 'continous integration'. No, dude, I won't make it easier for you, I want it to make it harder so that everybody sees what you're doing and can improve on it. I repeat my proposal to kill the scratchpad Hmmm... how

Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-25 Thread Berin Loritsch
called 'continous integration'. No, dude, I won't make it easier for you, I want it to make it harder so that everybody sees what you're doing and can improve on it. I repeat my proposal to kill the scratchpad Hmmm... how could we have done the flow without the scratchpad? Do you really think

Scratchpad leases (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-25 Thread Jeff Turner
-blocks dir, and that will automatically solve many of these problems and clear the scratchpad. Let's KISS. Let's start with the obvious. Move the scratchpad into scratchpad-blocks and see what's left. We may be surprised. +1 ... What would removal of the Scratchpad force on the community

Re: Scratchpad leases (Re: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong)

2003-02-25 Thread Ovidiu Predescu
On Tuesday, Feb 25, 2003, at 20:57 US/Pacific, Jeff Turner wrote: What would removal of the Scratchpad force on the community? * More controlled innovation. Instead of anybody using it as their personal playground, it would force the development to be more in the face of the community

RE: [RT] what cocoon is doing wrong

2003-02-25 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
source that I discribed in two emails last year (about our community being healthy), but until today noone even commented my emails. So, it will be interesting to see what this RT will do. I would like to a add one more point: Most of us do not care about releasing new versions. We *must* come back

Re: Request - Tag AbstractMultiAction with the 2_0_... what the ...

2003-02-05 Thread Torsten Curdt
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: What do you mean with tagging that file? I assume, you mean copying the file from head to the branch, so that it's in 2.0.5 as well, right? I don't know if a simple copy is sufficient, perhaps someone else can help in here? Gimme one or two days and I'll do

Request - Tag AbstractMultiAction with the 2_0_... what the ...

2003-02-04 Thread Artur Bialecki
I was going to ask a commiter to tag AbstracMultiAction.java with the cocoon_2_0_5 branch tag but there doesn't seem to be one. I thought cocoon_2_0_4 was released, what's going on? Thanks, Artur... - To unsubscribe,

RE: Request - Tag AbstractMultiAction with the 2_0_... what the ...

2003-02-04 Thread Artur Bialecki
AbstractMultiAction with the 2_0_... what the ... There is no cocoon_2_0_5_branch. When we decided to split the development of 2.1 and 2.0.x we created a branch for 2.0.x that was unfortunately named cocoon_2_0_3_branch. This branchs contains 2.0.3, 2.0.4 and 2.0.5 etc. The versions

RE: Request - Tag AbstractMultiAction with the 2_0_... what the ...

2003-02-04 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
What do you mean with tagging that file? I assume, you mean copying the file from head to the branch, so that it's in 2.0.5 as well, right? I don't know if a simple copy is sufficient, perhaps someone else can help in here? Carsten -Original Message- From: Artur Bialecki [mailto

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-03 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
that they won't change, but once you remove Component interface from, say, Generator, it means user's code won't compile anymore without change. What do you mean it won't compile anymore without change? Berin, Please see example sent in response to Ken's question: Generator g; Component c = g

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-03 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
should argue on this point instead of me! But if you want to go down the road of academic and practical backward compatibility, then I rest my case. IOW, what does it buy you to perform the bad code snippet above? For all practical and real requirements, it is safe to remove the Component

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-03 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ... PS As JDK1.2 Poll goes, nobody reported to be using Cocoon with JDK 1.2 so far... Let's wait till the end of the week. Shouldn't we ask *users* instead of developers? We did, they are already replying. Only one IIUC is still using 1.2 till now. -- Nicola Ken

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Leo Simons wrote: Berin Loritsch wrote: _It has already been taken care of_ just because it is possible and advisable for cocoon to remove the reference to Component from their sources doesn't mean we should push them or our other users into doing so. What about picking a current cocoon

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-03 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Vadim Gritsenko wrote: PS As JDK1.2 Poll goes, nobody reported to be using Cocoon with JDK 1.2 so far... Let's wait till the end of the week. Shouldn't we ask *users* instead of developers? We've asked on cocoon-users. :) Who else shall we ask? Vadim

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
, but once you remove Component interface from, say, Generator, it means user's code won't compile anymore without change. What do you mean it won't compile anymore without change? Of course it will. You can remove interfaces at will. If the class still implements all the methods that are part

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
with assumption that they won't change, but once you remove Component interface from, say, Generator, it means user's code won't compile anymore without change. What do you mean it won't compile anymore without change? Berin, Please see example sent in response to Ken's question: Generator

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
the Component interface. All expected uses of the Component interface have been accounted for. Yes we should try to keep backwards compatibility. You can go crazy trying to think of every bastardization of the accepted use and corner yourself into ineffectualness. IOW, what does it buy you

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-01 Thread Berin Loritsch
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Peter Donald wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:05, Leo Sutic wrote: I'd just like to see what you in Avalon-dev have to say about this: Update Cocoon to latest Avalon code and remove Component from the Cocoon codebase (A 30 min job?) and the deprecation warnings

Re: Re-precating (?) classes (was: RE: What is a Parser?)

2003-02-01 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Berin Loritsch wrote: #3 We can safely remove the Component interface (the source for most deprecation warnings). I'm trying to be cautious about removing it from public well-known interfaces. Users are writing code with assumption that they won't change, but once you remove Component

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-30 Thread Berin Loritsch
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Berin Loritsch wrote: Jeff Turner wrote: Does this seem like a viable solution? We are trying to get a feel for the best action from this point forward. Why deprecating this interface in the first place? I don't see how presence of (non-deprecated) Component

Serviceable, Was: Component deprecation warnings (Re: What is a Parser?)

2003-01-30 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
to Serviceable'ize the codebase. If none come forward before beta, use a recompiled Framework without the @deprecated Given the fact that we have to provide full backward compatibility in 2.x series, which means that all Components and Composables must be honored, what is the reason moving

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Avalon gurus out there - should we fork framework? ... oh, god, I knew it was coming, I was counting the days. please don't, let's try to work a solution with them instead. -- Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Correction: flamebait Avalon gurus out there - should we fork framework? ... /flamebait oh, god, I knew it was coming, I was counting the days. please don't, let's try to work a solution with them instead. I was trying to provoke

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Sylvain Wallez
these deprecation warnings are annoying, and furthermore destroy the usefulness of deprecating some classes in Cocoon since we remove all deprecation warnings. But instead of forking, what about a tool that automatically removes the deprecation flag on thoses Avalon classes that aren't

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jeff Turner wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:19:05PM +0100, Ugo Cei wrote: You should get back a JaxpParser instance, which is a Component, so the cast is valid. I'd imagine the compiler doesn't realise this at compile-time, and you'd get a ClassCastException if it wasn't a Component.

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Berin Loritsch wrote: Jeff Turner wrote: ... Yes, those deprecation warnings are annoying and misleading, because Component is deprecated for Avalon, not Cocoon. Perhaps Cocoon should have a special avalon-framework-nodepr-4.1.3.jar , without the @deprecated? The current version of the

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
of influence is not a component. That is unreastic and irratrional. This means that the hunreds of standard compoents (refer OMG work) are nbot realy components. This means that unless I incorporatye this particular interface I cannot interoperate in a Avalon framework. That's what is wrong

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
framework. That's what is wrong with Componet - it locks you into Avalon. The truth (and the reason for the Service4 package) is that you don't need lock in - you need liberty. Cheers, Steve. I kind of understand this part about bringing non-avalon components into Avalon, and also I don't

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
interoperate in a Avalon framework. That's what is wrong with Componet - it locks you into Avalon. The truth (and the reason for the Service4 package) is that you don't need lock in - you need liberty. Cheers, Steve. I kind of understand this part about bringing non-avalon components

Component deprecation warnings (Re: What is a Parser?)

2003-01-29 Thread Jeff Turner
standards - and guess what - they don't declare standard components via org.apache.avalon.framework.component.Component. This is nothing more that an artificial limitation on your developers. If you want to introduce a JDBC driver as a component - you cannot because it does not implement

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-29 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Hi Steve! Your name was familiar to me. But I dont remember from where after I put my sight up to the books that are in a bookshelf up my monitor. I have two books of you: Software Prject Survival Guide and After the Gold Rush. I am glad to meet you again here in the Cocoon developer community.

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-28 Thread Ugo Cei
Jeff Turner wrote: Looking in excalibur-xmlutil-20030122.jar, I found this class: org.apache.excalibur.xml.sax.Parser. I guess you mean o.a.e.xml.sax.SAXParser (to complement o.a.e.xml.dom.DOMParser). Oh yes, but I'm still using excalibur-xmlutil-20030115.jar instead of

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-28 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Jeff Turner wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:19:05PM +0100, Ugo Cei wrote: ... if (saxParser != null) manager.release((Component) saxParser); (cripes.. I've been happily nulling it in my code.. I'd better go fix:) :) I guess you are prepared for Avalon 5 where (going by rumors)

What is a Parser?

2003-01-27 Thread Ugo Cei
Once upon a time there was a org.apache.cocoon.components.parser.Parser, but now it's deprecated. OK, so I think I should use the Excalibur parser component, which has recently been split into a SAX parser and a DOM parser. Looking in excalibur-xmlutil-20030122.jar, I found this class:

Re: What is a Parser?

2003-01-27 Thread Jeff Turner
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:19:05PM +0100, Ugo Cei wrote: Once upon a time there was a org.apache.cocoon.components.parser.Parser, but now it's deprecated. OK, so I think I should use the Excalibur parser component, which has recently been split into a SAX parser and a DOM parser. Looking

Servlet Generator, what do we need it for?

2002-12-19 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
In the block refactoring, I've come across Servlet Generator. Whatever the name tells you, it seems to have nothing to do with Servlets. Probably it's due to the includion of the environment abstraction. Why not simply move these methods in ComposerGenerator and make classes using this use

Re: what should getRealPath return in sub-sitemap?

2002-12-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Geoff Howard wrote: I have a sub sitemap mounted under a sub directory, and within an action called from that sitemap I am calling context.getRealPath(dir-name). I expected it to resolve dir-name relative to the mounted directory, returning

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