In summary: Oh of course no problems exist, its all fixed and happy. Just
don't mind the dead bodies floating in the pond.
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The Send button is near the close button. I missed.
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Except that it is not. I just think I'll bring it up in 6 months when there
are more dead bodies floating around. Noel does a great PR job though.
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, community
developed piece of software by an already successful open source developer
and force it into a somewhat beta status by making it go through the
incubator just because that is the way things are done?
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which were also
slashdotted went down. In fact, my server CPU usage never topped 10% above
normal (and my server is a PIII-733mhz running Linux!) and the site stayed
responsive. Its only slightly more overhead than html so hardware is really
not a concern.
-Andy
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think things should be flatter and
more easily located. Planet too.
-Andy
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wiki search over wiki.apache.org?
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On Dec 9, 2003, at 8:22 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
we should not loose search and cross linking capabilities.
I really want to throw my support behind wiki.apache.org
but it doesn't support this which makes Apache look
This is so cool: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WikiBrazil
Whomever did that...keep it up.
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Please read this:
http://openenterprisetrends.com/cgi-bin/page_display.cgi?193
Does anyone know why JBoss isn't being granted the scholarship? I read
the Happiness is here today JCP 2.5 announcement
(http://java.sun.com/features/2002/10/new_jcp.html) again and it says
qualified achedemic,
Yes, Apache is on the scholarship board.
If you want to discuss this further, you might consider joining the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.
The problem is that I might inadvertantly receive information covered by
apache's non-disclosure agreements with Sun. This could limit my
economic
I've suggested this time and again, making a jcp-discussion list where
no NDA-covered information would be submitted, but there never is any
interest.
Okay.
If you are interested now - Sam, could you do the honors?
+1
geir
-Andy
- Sam Ruby
We've been through this before. The list is has no Sun employees on
it. It has only Apache members. They make decisions on behalf of the
ASF. You can choose to no longer be a member of the ASF. You can
choose not to participate. At the moment, you have chosen the former
and not the
wrote:
No way, not until the board clarifies project's reply-to header policy.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 03:35 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
GREAT! Add yourself as a committer to the wiki page! I'm glad there
is so much community enthusiasm for this!
Ben Hyde wrote:
+1, I'm seriously
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
This is going to be another one of my long answers to a short question...
Good! (I crosspost to community. I think it really belongs there ;-)
I prefer to call it the monkey house
http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000769.html
;-)
Specifically in server side
* I will rejoin and stop whining about it.
won't you consider being nice and doing that anyway? or is this the
only price you'll accept? grin size=huge/ laugh/
No Chance. Not enough time on my hands these days.
As for the rest...
Sure then I propose we create another list open to the public
I would like to propose that after seeing the way that this list
functions up until now, that it the issue
be reconsidered and that it be re-opened to the public.
Main considerations:
* there is already a private list *committers* which important issues
like gee the server was attacked, please
board hat=on in fact, until such time as a clear determination
is made, i'm ruling that it is *not* allowed. it is not worth the
risk. so lgpl-licensed materials in the asf repositories are
forbidden until a final decision is made. /board
that may seem heavy-handed and arbitrary; i apologise
Hi All,
So the news of my unsubscription reached here before I had a chance to
say it.
wiki development should take place on a public mail list where everyone
can participate. I suggest wikidiffs with [PATCH] in the subject. I
personally think more effort should go into using the wiki than
- The RSS feed doesn't present the deltas. It appears that events are
getting lost.
I have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation. I'm just
working on fixing that...
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WikiProjectPage
-Andy
(not aimed at everyone...you're just standing in the way ;-) )
Though I must say listening to people who aren't known for writing
excessive amounts of documentation debate documentation tools for people
who do is extremely amusing.. Meanwhile a previously excluded
documentor:
So I have email notification sorta working. I can't get the diffs
included..
Its too bad we don't have any decent perl programmers. I'm apparently
the master PERL programmer here. The rest of you are all talk.
To see the error (which since I cant fix it, you all are obviously not
good
Andy,
I'm getting quite sick of your you're all talk attitude.
Chill the hell out.
-g
damn. I was joking around. sheesh.
WTF I thought I unsubscribed from this list?
http://www.freeroller.net/page/acoliver/20030108#when_is_community_not_a
Danny Angus wrote:
Andy,
I just read http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?FlameBait
Danny. It was a joke. Notice the title.. Notice What are examples
of... and I
I requested a wiki mail list.. no response as of yet.
Steven Noels wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
I'm currently messing around to change the Sender: address to a
non-role account address. As soon as I found out, I can send it any
way you want.
This is done - change notification mails are now being
+1
(There is a lot of this kind of experience and knowledge hanging
around in the backs of many of your heads -- we should write it down!)
ccing community as I think we're moving sufficiently off course that its
best discussed there.
Started it:
-Original Message-
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 17:54
To: community@apache.org; Jakarta General List;
general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Tapestry incubation
no-connotation requestedaction=subscribe, ignore
Please subscribe to general
it ;-)
-Andy
Ben Hyde wrote:
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am
not interested in doing it myself.
I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action
-Andy
I'm not asking you do do anything
wrote:
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just
am not interested in doing it myself.
I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action
-Andy
Thanks to http://www.fettig.net/projects/hep/, I
moduse[1] has email notification, enable it. The email should go to
dev@pmc.apache.org and consequential discussions can go there too.
The email should include a diff. The RSS is merging change events,
that's a mistake.
- ben
[1] Moduse is venerable software. Every time I turn something
Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a
link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test
is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed
you can do:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss
For those of you who prefer to
to getting a daily report enumerating which
files in the software were changed. While at first I thought that
wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the
proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control. - ben
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C
no-connotation requestedaction=subscribe, ignore
Please subscribe to general@incubator.apache.org if you are interested
in participating in the Tapestry incubation process.
Thank you,
Andy
/no-connotation
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I'd find myself very unconfortable to force the cocoon people
to move into the ASF wiki (migration issues aside) since it doesn't have
the appeal and the features that our current wiki does (at least to many
us).
Does JSPWiki v2 provide all of the features necessary to
Nagoya is Solaris, I'd *hope* a java based wiki should work alright there
;-)
-Thom
Ahh .. .yes I discovered this the other day..hadn't noticed at first.
Then I noticed that I hadn't had
any peculiaritiesjust quirks...
Anyhow, I don't really plan to install another wiki.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
You know about Java and FreeBSD right?
What about it, other than that it is 1.3.1 and the build here doesn't
include the JIT?
Apparently there are problems with threading among other things. All in
all Java and FreeBSD do not
AFAIK do not seem to constitute a
Invent a CPAN style method of satisfying Java dependancies, quick while
you're still enthusiastic
The boys at krysalis.org will probably do it eventually... Once Nick
and Ken get
finished with the gump symbiosis, I bet versioning and dependency
resolution won't be
too far behind ;-)
d.
Nick pretty please ;-)
-Andy
(actually now you have me thinking)
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enable tables without enabling raw html.. . that would be my first
interest...
Rich Bowen wrote:
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
How good a PERL coder are you?
I'm *no* Perl coder whatsoever.
I
Happy New Years everyone. I wish you well. Remember to drink
excessively and if that required driving, puke in a cab not your own car.
Here is my sappy perspective on 1 year of POI...
http://www.freeroller.net/page/acoliver/20021231#a_year_of_poi_a
-Andy
I'm moving this discussion over to community as I think discussing this
further on members@ unnecessarily excludes the rest of the Apache
community.
It doesn't have to be a one-person job, just like CVS commits
oversight is parallelized by sending email on the mail list. What if
Wiki commits
I'd much prefer mailing list notifications over RSS feeds. These
types of notifications shouldn't be pull. Push-based notifications
suit this problem domain far better than pull-based approaches. It
also allows archiving of the changes. (We can recreate our entire
CVS archive in the
perl-bashing requestedaction=ignore,agree
I'm a crappy perl coder -- and I prefer not to code in PERL... (though I
do it every day you'll be hard
pressed to get me to do any serious perl coding as a volunteer ;-) )
/perl-bashing
I highly suggest you look on the UseModWiki (see ApacheWiki follow
If you change the script to compute the database path from url that
invoked it. Then setting up multiple wiki's becomes trivial to
automate. Inter-wiki linking was trivial for me to setup at my
house. Though I see it didn't work out well for Andrew.
No.. I just didn't try. Patches welcome.
Does JSPWiki v2 provide all of the features necessary to host the ASF
Wiki?
Yeah, well, I think so. I already provides RSS feeds, much better
structured content support, I find it more usable and it's java so for
me it's a plus (but I understand that for others might be a minus so I
won't
Danny Angus wrote:
Cool supply a patch and I shall apply it with due haste.
In Apachewiki terms that'll be by yesterday then, have-a-cigar for this
effort Andy. :-)
Thanks. Looks like it was 5 minutes well spent. Thanks to Pier too
(whom configured httpd).
I think Pier gets my award
I've downloaded the source code, and will have a look see next week. There
appears to be some sort of database format, so perhaps I can add a field to
the page record as a quick hack. I'm not much of a Perl coder, so if anyone
IS a serious Perl coder, I'll bet that they could hack it in
have a suitable person at Sun to fulfill your
ContactAtSun - We'll need a contact at Sun in order to make this happen
role? Is Sun aware of the interest?
--- Noel
-Original Message-
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 17:19
To: community
On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 06:55 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Hehe.. . since we don't have a contact: nope, not yet. I suppose
only the Sunners that read JavaLobby know ;-)
(http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61thread=6197)
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Andrew,
With respect to the proposal
I have two thoughts on this.
I didn't care for HotJava back when it was alive. It seems to be an
injustice to revive it after it finally expired.
But, more importantly, it seems to be that to artificially recussitate a
project is ... well ... artificial. If a community sprang up around
HotJava
Okay so thats 3 interested committers so far. Any other takers?
-Andy
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Andrew,
Around HotJava, the browser application? I suspect relatively little.
Around the component? I know several projects that would love to see it
resurrected.
--- Noel
If you to wiki go here:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/
If you do not don't go here:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki
If you do not yet know the joy of a wiki go here:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheWiki
If your chief issue with the wiki is that it is in PERL go here:
Thats one more person interested in a HotJava project.
---BeginMessage---
Hello,
I don't participate in Apache projects, but I'm interested if HotJava can be
taken over
(interested in working on of course, and give time).
Damien Bonvillain
---End Message---
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Andrew,
Hallalujah! I have been asking about a Wiki on and off for months, and was
told as recently as a week ago that there were security reasons for not yet
having one. Kudos for just getting this done!
I have security tested this wiki and its been running in multiple
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I've been working on this for those windows users:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html
Thanks for the feedback!
Looks good so far. The sections on Ant and CVS apply to non-Windows users,
as well. And you might want to include Maven/Jelly in the section
Daniel Rall wrote:
Jeff Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Alternatively..
Let's abandon all this wishy-washy 'community' guff and focus on what
matters: the code. As Coding Machines, I say each new committer be
assigned a serial number by which they are addressed publicly. With
luck, we
Right, well the home pages are there now. And right now they are more
closely associated with Apache itself than community.apache.org would.
You're bringing up a new issue as to whether they should be taken away.
The matter at hand is the creation of a new alias to in a way make them
more
Personally I prefer late-refactoring. Has it been a problem yet?
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
I have been following the discussion about publicizing ASF Member/Committer
home pages. The contentious issue seems to be what is appropriate use of
a home page hosted on apache, or even if there should be home
Aaron Bannert wrote:
To me it seems we are trying to solve two problems here:
1) A place to put homepages and personal content, including
(but not limited to) ASF-related activities and project proposals,
as well as individual interests.
2) A catalog of the people representing the ASF
I took a guess regarding .forward and public_html (but I wonder if Windows
users would know about them), and played with CVS and ssh to get it all
working with public keys. Sent e-mail to Brian detailing my experience,
which appears to have been incorporated into the Committers FAQ by someone
Ben Hyde wrote:
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 04:28 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Wow.. I really do feel like I'm at the Congress of Vienna.
huh? (and yes I know what the congress of vienna was).
conservatives sat on the left and the more liberal sat on the left
(hence where the terms right
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Victor J. Orlikowski wrote:
Apache is about two things, as I see it: primarily, software and,
as a consequence of that software, people.
I see it exactly the other way around. Great communities always create
great software. The opposite is not always true (see
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
it looks like several issues are getting conflated again.
1. should people be permitted to have/publish *.apache.org/~name pages?
2. should they follow any sort of guidelines?
3. should there be a list of them?
4. should a list be mandatory or opt-in only?
5. is it an
They wouldn't have. They would have migrated to SourceForge.
That's the problem with an all volunteer army. The can't be trusted
to do as they are told.
so don't tell them.
- Sam Ruby
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Not meaning to embarrass anyone, but I suggest not writing news on any
news pages like this:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#1106.1
The Commons CLI team is proud to announce Commons CLI 1.0, the first
official release of this Commons component. Binary and source
distributions are
Here is your missing link. Apache isn't about code bases or branding,
its about software communities.. These are communities of humans. Such
pages help these humans understand each other and build a stronger
software development community. And it puts a face on apache.
Hope that helps...
The Apache Jakarta Law:
Any discussion regarding Apache Jakarta will eventually degrade into a
discussion about the
Tomcat 3.3/4.0 issue, often including a full re-analysis of the events,
revision of the history, and sometimes degrading into a full
re-enactment of the emotionally charged
-12 at 08:28, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
The Apache Jakarta Law:
Any discussion regarding Apache Jakarta will eventually degrade into a
discussion about the
Tomcat 3.3/4.0 issue, often including a full re-analysis of the events,
revision of the history, and sometimes degrading into a full
re
to Craig and the rest of y'all. I
meant to send a way less snide/sarcastic version of this...
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
A slightly more formal way to do this would be to explicitly
canonicalize
Apache Way policies like this at the apache.org level, and these
automatically become the default
Actually, I quite enjoyed the reply :-). And the cautions you raise are
definitely relevant.
Well I meant every word of it I just meant to state
it...differently ;-)
You can over-engineer anything, including a community. But you can also
under-engineer, and I get the impression that's
Taylor wrote:
The scary part is that all of us who have been flamed by Andy now need
to wonder what the first version of those messages looked like! Yikes!
grin
-- jt
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 20:03, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Well this makes my second mail faux pax this week. I actually didn't
mean
Leadership is best achieved and recognized through informal means. Stefano
often exerts quite a bit of leadership over Cocoon because the committers
respect him. Creating formal owners is a great way to fork a community, but
it fails as a social experiment. Certain members in a community
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged
the crap out of me, and about which i have complained several
times to no avail.
there is no canonical /mailing-lists.html location to which
i can point people for j random
Dohsorry stefano I meant to send that just to you fat fingers
strike again.
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged
the crap out of me, and about which i have complained several
times
It smells like a pretty good idea to me.
One question thoughdo you ever sleep? (3:52AM)?
Sam Ruby wrote:
I'm planning on submitting a proposal to change the bylaws of Jakarta
to bring Jakarta's PMC structure closer to the HTTPD one. Before I do
so, I would like to gather the opinions of a
Is this just driven by the number of config questions and suscribe
(and other) trolls to the dev lists? Or the rising percentage of
doofuses in the net world? I knew we should never have let AOL hook up
that gateway to the net. 8^)
yes. yes. agreed.
since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged
the crap out of me, and about which i have complained several
times to no avail.
there is no canonical project/mailing-lists.html location to which
i can point people for j random project, so i have to tell them
to search the project
So just use gmane.org or pier's new nifty news.betaversion.org onces its
off his DSL (somehow I don't think he wants everyone using it just yet
;-) ...but Pier is weird so maybe he does ;-) )
Henri Yandell wrote:
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Chuck Murcko wrote:
I've
I would not expect for most votes to get more than a 25-50% turnout
provided the vote is going the direction the person would like. Ken
gave a subscription figure that was much higher, so I suspect that this
was the result of the silent majority feeling sufficiently represented.
Sanjiva
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Ah, one personal comment, we really need a better voting system :)
doing it by hand is boring and very time consuming :/
+1
Hmmm. I looked at the datestamp of the original vote message and it
looked like I was under the 78 hour window for voting. But you are
correct, it doesn't matter since I am just affirming the result.
I thought it was 72 hrs ? ;-)
Glenn
I'm looking for the text version of this:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/agreement.html
which is supposedly in text form SOMEWHERE in CVS in some module...
Oh, that cottonpicker. Sent via separate mail. For some reason it's in
foundation, and I don't know why it was never released out of there
Tradeoffs with the old and new method:
1. doing it privately tends to perpetuate the closed mysterious nature
of it (good ol boys club). Another way of looking at this would be in
relationship to the Cocoon project. The less documented aspects of it
are less used outside of the cocoon
how many know they are supposed to? Googling is the solution? humm.
Perhaps the most famous and capable web development organization
should come up with a better method of organizing its web content
than go search on google for what it means to be part of the ASF...
I'm not saying ASF
That is not what I meant... there is supposidly a txt version.
Sam Ruby wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I'm looking for the text version of this:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/agreement.html
which is supposedly in text form SOMEWHERE in CVS in some module...
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi
can do to help.
Erik
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Mr Ship,
I totally disagree with Pier's statement (and you'll find many here
will feel the same as I on this). The opinion of Tapestry joining is
very good.
Realize Apache is more like a confederation than anything. So
different people feel
I changed my vote to open it completely. or just +1 on that too. I
favor medium access to closed completely for sure as I freaking hate the
ezmlm archives (minimum readability)...
I believe we agreed to wait 72 hours...
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
i have just done my best to collate the
not really reach all the committers out there ;-(
erik
Morgan Delagrange wrote:
More than a fifth of the committers already? That's
pretty impressive.
--- Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
No we settled down util we had more
subscribers Ken, are we
subscribed up
If true, this should induce a certain conservatism of approach in
those who are driving the reorg aganda. There's a silent majority out
there who just getting on with the code.
Peter
So now we're sampling Richard Nixon ;-)
Or, most people just want to be left alone to write code. :-)
Amen :)
devils-advocate
And remain committers without wanting to becoming members; they just
can't stand these time-consuming politics.
/devils-advocate
why there are no politics in the sourceforge cvs repository ;-)
generally no
well principally you should be interested in this communication.
Another PRO...
more opportunity for ant committers to become recognized and achieve
membership.
.. um, you say that like there is an end-gain
An honor more like. . Plus the opportunity to have more influence
Thats view 3. (the ezmlm archive is of course always available)
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
+1 on View 2, without the public archive. Everyone having access here should
be able to get to some kind private archive though ;)
Mvgr,
Martin
-Original Message-
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto
Okay. Sam and others have convinced me. . though I reserve the right
to taunt you all when the J.D.s enter and we have too much goofiness
(more than I cause that is ;-) )
lets open it up and see what happens. if havoc is wreaked its
correctable so I change my vote to +1 for all open. I
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